Replacement of PDA and phone

In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 31 Mar 2008 19:25:52 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > > IMAP is much easier to deal with when using multiple devices withthe
> same e-
> > > mail account(s), since changes made on one device (deletions, marking e-
> > > mail as read, etc.) are reflected on all devices, eliminating the need
> the
> > > deal with the same e-mail twice.
> >
> > But iPhone is too easy. Maybe other phones...
>
> What does that mean? If you delete a POP e-mail on your iPhone are you
> saying the deletion magically propagates to your desktop? A POP e-mail
> read on the iPhone is marked read on the desktop? With IMAP, sure (just
> like with any other device with IMAP support)- with POP? Nope.

> With IMAP, if you delete a bunch of e-mails on your phone, they WON'T be
> waiting on your desktop to be read (and deleted) again. E-mails read on
> the mobile will already be marked read on the desktop. If you use a
> variety of desktops, laptops, and mobiles with the same e-mail accounts,
> IMAP makes life a lot easier.
>
Not a big amount, but I will agree thjat for some people, this makes
more sense. I need to have most of my emails archived on my main
machine, so this is not an issue. I also have many email accounts. Most
don't go traveling with me.

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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:17:35 -0600, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What does that mean? If you delete a POP e-mail on your iPhone are you
>saying the deletion magically propagates to your desktop? A POP e-mail
>read on the iPhone is marked read on the desktop? With IMAP, sure (just
>like with any other device with IMAP support)- with POP? Nope.

When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not show
up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.

Correct?


Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555

"Ex Tristitia Virtus"

"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:17:35 -0600, Todd Allcock
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>What does that mean? If you delete a POP e-mail on your iPhone are you
>>saying the deletion magically propagates to your desktop? A POP e-mail
>>read on the iPhone is marked read on the desktop? With IMAP, sure (just
>>like with any other device with IMAP support)- with POP? Nope.
>
> When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
> delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not show
> up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
>
> Correct?
>
>
> Best,
>
> Bob
>
> Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
> Neurological Surgery
> 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
> Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
> 510-849-2555
>
> "Ex Tristitia Virtus"

Depends on which device checks the email first, and if that device is set to
tell your pop3 server to delete the message off the server when checking
that pop3 server.

I've set mine to not delete from my phone. But delete from the home system.

At 01 Apr 2008 19:55:43 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:

> When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
> delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not show
> up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
>
> Correct?


This explains it better than I ever could:
http://www.imap.org/imap.vs.pop.brief.html, but essentially each device
keeps track of what POP mail it's downloaded but no device knows what the
others have done.

(Having said that, however, some "POP" services, like GMail or AOL, don't
follow the POP protocol and therefore don't play by the rules- they just
act like POP services to allow access by POP e-mail clients.)

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At 01 Apr 2008 19:55:43 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>
>> When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
>> delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not show
>> up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
>>
>> Correct?
>
>
> This explains it better than I ever could:
> http://www.imap.org/imap.vs.pop.brief.html, but essentially each device
> keeps track of what POP mail it's downloaded but no device knows what the
> others have done.
>
> (Having said that, however, some "POP" services, like GMail or AOL, don't
> follow the POP protocol and therefore don't play by the rules- they just
> act like POP services to allow access by POP e-mail clients.)
>
>

If you have outlook checking your pop mail and have the setting to leave it
on the server it wont get deleted. Have it checked with it to remove it from
the server and it will. That's why I said it depends on how it's setup in
software and which one checks it 1st.

Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> (Having said that, however, some "POP" services, like GMail or AOL,
> don't follow the POP protocol and therefore don't play by the rules-
> they just act like POP services to allow access by POP e-mail
> clients.)

As an FYI Gmail does IMAP now. I use it to poll and converge all of my POP3
accounts, placing them into proper categories.


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Mike

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:fsvbfk$5hq$1
@aioe.org:

> At 01 Apr 2008 19:55:43 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>
>> When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
>> delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not
show
>> up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
>>
>> Correct?
>
>
> This explains it better than I ever could:
> http://www.imap.org/imap.vs.pop.brief.html, but essentially each
device
> keeps track of what POP mail it's downloaded but no device knows what
the
> others have done.
>
> (Having said that, however, some "POP" services, like GMail or AOL,
don't
> follow the POP protocol and therefore don't play by the rules- they
just
> act like POP services to allow access by POP e-mail clients.)
>
>
>

None of this would be an issue if you boys had a working SSH remote
desktop.

I only use one email client, the one in my office on real broadband. I
access it from this tablet, like I'm doing sending this message, from
anywhere on the planet over remote desktop, either from my N800 Linux
tablet or my laptop.

All storage is done safely on my UPS-backed office system so I only have
one database of traffic to contend with....no syncing, no trying to
figure out where the message went, no losing it over the sellphone
system. When I store it, it's stored right where it should be, in the
office RAID array where it's easy to find.

When you send a file/photo/video to someone, it goes out of the office
system at cable speed, not out of the portable slow as a turtle. If
someone sends me a big file, it takes no space from the portable device
memory to store, and doesn't suck up battery time waiting and waiting
for the slow sellphone downloads to kill the battery. It simply works
better....and the email system at the office downloads every hour so I
have no wait time at all. It's there when I call, large files, huge
pictures and all.

I finally got the interfacing between rdesktop on the Linux tablet and
Remote Desktop on the WinXP-SP2 box working so I can move files between
them over the same link, which is really cool....albeit slow if the link
is sellular, not wifi. The tablet's memory cards now show up in Windows
Explorer when I'm connected over rdesktop just as if it were a USB hard
drive plugged into the hub.

Remote Desktop is the way to fly. Iphone users will even believe you
have WinXP running on the Linux tablet when it's connected....(c; The
look on their faces seeing Google Earth on the tablet is PRICELESS...

There's a feature iPhone could use.....remote desktop!

At 02 Apr 2008 14:12:58 +0000 Larry wrote:


> None of this would be an issue if you boys had a working SSH remote
> desktop.


This boy does. But why in God's name would I fire up a cumbersome remote
terminal access program just to check e-mail? My phone's e-mail client
grabs e-mail periodically so it's already downloaded and waiting for me
when I want to check it. I guarantee that regardless of how fast you can
make a remote connection, I'll have access faster, since it's ready there.

> I only use one email client, the one in my office on real broadband. I
> access it from this tablet, like I'm doing sending this message, from
> anywhere on the planet over remote desktop, either from my N800 Linux
> tablet or my laptop.
>
> All storage is done safely on my UPS-backed office system so I only have
> one database of traffic to contend with....no syncing, no trying to
> figure out where the message went, no losing it over the sellphone
> system. When I store it, it's stored right where it should be, in the
> office RAID array where it's easy to find.

Or you could just use IMAP, which handles it all for you.

> There's a feature iPhone could use.....remote desktop!

Agreed, but not for checking e-mail!

At 02 Apr 2008 06:59:44 -0700 Tinman wrote:

> As an FYI Gmail does IMAP now. I use it to poll and converge all of my
POP3
> accounts, placing them into proper categories.


Yeah, I Changed my GMail setup from POP to IMAP on my phone a few months ago.
Retrieval with POP was a little faster, but the ability to manipulate the
folders is an advantage that makes IMAP worth the slight speed hit.

Many e-mail providers support both POP and IMAP retrieval, and since IMAP
is far more suitable for multi-device access to e-mail, there are very few
reasons to stick with POP unless, perhaps, you're still on dialup, and
POP's quicker retrieval speed is an issue.

Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Larry said:

> I only use one email client, the one in my office on real broadband. I
> access it from this tablet, like I'm doing sending this message, from
> anywhere on the planet over remote desktop, either from my N800 Linux
> tablet or my laptop.
>
> All storage is done safely on my UPS-backed office system so I only have
> one database of traffic to contend with....no syncing, no trying to
> figure out where the message went, no losing it over the sellphone

Learn to *****, it's "cellphone", not "sellphone". If you don't like
what they're selling, don't buy it.

> When you send a file/photo/video to someone, it goes out of the office
> system at cable speed, not out of the portable slow as a turtle. If

Where is the file/photo/video that you're sending? If it's on your
local device, it will go out at whatever speed YOU are currently using.
If that's your CELLphone connected item, then it will go at your
CELLphone's speed, not your office broadband speed.

> someone sends me a big file, it takes no space from the portable device
> memory to store, and doesn't suck up battery time waiting and waiting
> for the slow sellphone downloads to kill the battery. It simply works

Wrong again. If you are viewing it on your CELLphone device, it will
take as long as your CELLphone network takes to pass the info on to
you. You're using your office system as a server. It's not the
server's speed that dictates how long it takes to retrieve and view
something, it's the speed of the client, which is whatever you're using
at the moment.

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:03:03 -0700, "Kevin Weaver"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I've set mine to not delete from my phone. But delete from the home system.


Does the iPhone allow for such "selective" deletion? Pegasus Mail (on
my desktop and laptops) allows for such.

Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555

"Ex Tristitia Virtus"

"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:03:03 -0700, "Kevin Weaver"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've set mine to not delete from my phone. But delete from the home
>>system.
>
>
> Does the iPhone allow for such "selective" deletion? Pegasus Mail (on
> my desktop and laptops) allows for such.
>
> Best,
>
> Bob
>
> Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
> Neurological Surgery
> 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
> Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
> 510-849-2555
>
> "Ex Tristitia Virtus"


Don't know as I don't have a iPhone. ; )

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> This boy does. But why in God's name would I fire up a cumbersome
> remote terminal access program just to check e-mail? My phone's
> e-mail client grabs e-mail periodically so it's already downloaded and
> waiting for me when I want to check it. I guarantee that regardless
> of how fast you can make a remote connection, I'll have access faster,
> since it's ready there.
>
>

Ok by me. But, my emails have some pretty big attachments. Where do you
put them? How do you get them from the phone to the computer, download
them again off the server? That time must also be included.

The remote terminal is far from "cumbersome" on wifi, and not really bad on
EVDO. rdesktop is optimized to minimize bandwidth usage. it only updates
what needs updating. It's not a video shot of the screen, but you knew
that. The only drawback is the 500-800ms latency of the Sellphone data
links, but I'll live with that until the Wimax rollout.

Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Learn to *****, it's "cellphone", not "sellphone". If you don't like
> what they're selling, don't buy it.
>
>

Nope...it's STILL a SELLphone....a box office device to rent you stuff in
your pocket....just like your new digital TV box office device is....

Why does my little updated description upset you so?

I don't like what they're selling and I don't buy what I don't like. I buy
basic phone service and internet data. I don't buy
games/ringtones/Selltop/Axcess apps or glitz. I wish the damned thing was
butt ugly so the black market wouldn't target it as a stealable gadget
every time you turn your back on it.

I told them I'd buy MobiTV (Axcess TV, 25 channels on Alltel) IF they'd fix
the software so it had a FULL SCREEN landscape mode....not that ****ty
little fingernail-sized picture they're selling now for $12/mo. I think it
has some value that interests me...if I could SEE the picture. But they
don't, so I don't....

Wanna buy something on your Sellphone??.....(c;

Maybe what you need is some company-controlled web forum where never a
discouraging word is uttered.....eh?

"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>> Does the iPhone allow for such "selective" deletion? Pegasus Mail
(on
>> my desktop and laptops) allows for such.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bob
>

Dr Bob,

Just for reference, Pegasus responds very well to Remote Desktop
operation. I use it here to my Nokia N800 Linux tablet over Remote
desktop, even over the sellphone link, every day.

You can leave Pegasus running continuously, logon to remote desktop to
your laptop, tablet, your office PC with your IP/username/password and
have full control of Pegasus from the remote location. Works great, no
syncing, no sellphone funny business, no multiple storage confusion.

If a large file comes in, say some media or document or presentation,
Remote Desktop can be setup so the remote device, whatever it is, can
act like an external hard drive, straight from Windows Explorer on the
home desktop, for example. Simply click and drag the object to the
remote devices storage of your choice and remote desktop will copy it
there for your use....without destroying the master copy safely stored
on your main PC.

Iphone doesn't have remote desktop, but your laptop or office desktop
already does.

If you must carry it, I recommend the Nokia N800 $230 with a free
rdesktop from maemo.org's download section. Tons of very useful
software, all free. Real word processing with an external bluetooth
keyboard made to type on, real spreadsheets, several databases and other
useful tools already for use on it.

Got special medical software on the main PC? Remote desktop can operate
it from anyplace on the net. Ask your local IT or hacker to help you
set it up on your existing units. Once configured, the only thing it
won't do is run video/audio to the remote. For that, you download the
media and play it on the remote locally.

Most users have no idea it's already included on their Windows, MAC
desktops and laptops. There's no need to rent an external service to
use it.

If you can call up those Xrays of Mr Jones on your home PC, you can view
them from your laptop or internet tablet via remote desktop. Wouldn't
that be handier for your application?