New York Apple Stores Sold Out Of iPhones

Charles wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, SMS
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sales are slow amd inventories are high right now because the 3G iPhone
>> is coming in a couple of months. See
>> "http://www.247wallst.com/2008/03/apple-aapl-3g-i.html".
>
> Sales have been reported to be high. A 3G phone will make them higher.

All the media hype about the upcoming 3G iPhone, and advice to wait for
it, is what has caused slowing sales of the first generation. Sales of
first generation models have not met expectations, especially outside
the U.S.. However it's not just 3G that buyers are waiting for. The next
generation will have enterprise server support and voice dialing,
perhaps flash as well.

The with the SDK, enterprise support, 3G, and voice dialing, on the new
model, Apple will be able to silence all the critics of the first
version, plus a lot of the early adopters will be happy to ante up for a
new model and sell off their 1st generation on craigslist or eBay.

See
"http://www.forbes.com/wireless/2008/02/08/iphone-att-hsdpa-tech-wire-cx_bc_0208techiphone.html"

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In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

> All the media hype about the upcoming 3G iPhone, and advice to wait for
> it, is what has caused slowing sales of the first generation. Sales of
> first generation models have not met expectations, especially outside
> the U.S.. However it's not just 3G that buyers are waiting for. The next
> generation will have enterprise server support and voice dialing,
> perhaps flash as well.

Most people don't know what 3G is or anything about next generation
iPhones. That will only affect sales to a few people like us who follow
this stuff in the US. I don't know about outside the US. As for voice
dialing or flash, none knows if either will be in the next generation.
I am waiting for 3G myself before I buy but I don't think I am a normal
consumer. Most buy without knowing about 3G or Edge.

> The with the SDK, enterprise support, 3G, and voice dialing, on the new
> model, Apple will be able to silence all the critics of the first
> version, plus a lot of the early adopters will be happy to ante up for a
> new model and sell off their 1st generation on craigslist or eBay.

The SDK and enterprise support will be available on the first version.
But I would expect a lot of early adapters to would buy a new model. It
will probably have other enhancements besides 3G, maybe a better
camera, GPS etc.

--
Charles

Try this....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-CECT-P168-TR...QQcmdZViewItem
No contracts
Any carrier
Not $600.00
Just as good
And only $150.00









"4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On line the shipping wait is running around 5 to 7 days for an iPhone.
>
> This this is still one hot phone! in spite of the envy from a few
> sour grapes.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...l_n_93328.html

Charles wrote:

> Most people don't know what 3G is or anything about next generation
> iPhones. That will only affect sales to a few people like us who follow
> this stuff in the US. I don't know about outside the US. As for voice
> dialing or flash, none knows if either will be in the next generation.
> I am waiting for 3G myself before I buy but I don't think I am a normal
> consumer. Most buy without knowing about 3G or Edge.

Most buy because they just have to have the latest gadget, and they
don't do any product research, or they just don't care because they're
happy to buy the next version when it comes out rather than waiting. But
the corporate customers, and the the technically savvy buyers do
understand about 3G, Enterprise support, and other features, and Apple
wants those customers too, not just those that will buy anything Apple
sells. I think the problems in Europe were because more European buyers
understand about 3G than do U.S. buyers, because 3G was so slow to be
deployed by U.S. GSM carriers (T-Mobile still doesn't have it at all).

>> The with the SDK, enterprise support, 3G, and voice dialing, on the new
>> model, Apple will be able to silence all the critics of the first
>> version, plus a lot of the early adopters will be happy to ante up for a
>> new model and sell off their 1st generation on craigslist or eBay.
>
> The SDK and enterprise support will be available on the first version.
> But I would expect a lot of early adapters to would buy a new model. It
> will probably have other enhancements besides 3G, maybe a better
> camera, GPS etc.

If it has a GPS, it's going to be a killer product, being able to
replace multiple other products. Actually even support for an external
Bluetooth GPS module would be sufficient, since in the car you probably
are better off with being able to position the GPS antenna away from the
iPhone. Apple has a platform that they can really use to branch into
other consumer devices.

Bob wrote:
> Try this....
> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-CECT-P168-TR...QQcmdZViewItem
> No contracts
> Any carrier
> Not $600.00
> Just as good
> And only $150.00

Pretty worthless for the U.S. with no support for 850 MHz GSM.

Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:010420081919219118%[email protected]:

> I am waiting for 3G myself before I buy but I don't think I am a normal
> consumer. Most buy without knowing about 3G or Edge.
>

http://xohm.com/
3G is but a whisper of things to come.

There is a new list of names on the homepage unheard of in the
past....including a tiny Finnish company specializing in open source
consumer communications equipment.....

WiMax will cure this problem, soon I hope. 3G is just dragging their heels
trying to sell it by the kilobyte....

"with Xohm, Intel, Motorola, Samsung, Nokia, and Nokia Siemens Networks."
.....just to drop a few names not connected with glitzy little computer
companies....

A leak has erupted in Finland of a NEW N8xx Linux tablet....adding WiMax to
the line of open source Linux tablets....
http://www.internettablettalk.com/20...wimax-edition/

CTIA is April 1st...TODAY! Watch internettablettalk.com for Nokia
News...and don't get caught flogging along at 3G speeds...zzzZZZZzzzz

The progression continues........with blazing speeds and no Apple funny
business....SELLphone data is DOOMED.

At 02 Apr 2008 03:37:26 +0000 Larry wrote:

> WiMax will cure this problem, soon I hope. 3G is just dragging their
> heels trying to sell it by the kilobyte....


Because they're selling a finite amount of 3G bandwidth...

> "with Xohm, Intel, Motorola, Samsung, Nokia, and Nokia Siemens
> Networks."
>....just to drop a few names not connected with glitzy little computer
> companies....


Correct- they're all in the "SELLular" industry...


> The progression continues........with blazing speeds and no Apple funny
> business....SELLphone data is DOOMED.

Um, you do realize Xohm is a "SELLphone" company, right? ("Xohm is a
business division of wireless pioneer Sprint Nextel...")

Won't they be selling a finite amount of 4G "WiMax" bandwidth, just like
they and their competitors sell a finite amount of 3G bandwidth now?

How will this be any different that the current status quo (except for the
faster speed)?

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...

(BTW, according to the trade papers, Sprint's new "boss" is less
enthusiastic about WiMax compared to the last CEO, and has delayed it's
deployment to concentrate on more urgent matters like fixing Sprint's
customer service issues and their horrific churn rate.)

Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:010420081919219118%[email protected]:

> The SDK and enterprise support will be available on the first version.
>

Will it have a full-featured word processor?
http://www.abisource.com/ (Linux, N8xx tablet, Windows, OSX all free)
Will it have a full-featured spreadsheet?
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gnumeric/
and for your OSX Mac: http://gnumeric.darwinports.com/
Will it have remote desktop secure access?
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/rdesktop/
Will it have an INSTALLABLE SSH server and client?
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/openssh/
Will it have a relational database it can share with the office?
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/O...mysqldatabase/
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/glom/
Will it have IT department CONTROLLABLE and INSTALLABLE
software?




Then, it is NOT an Enterprise device.....


Besides....It's not WiMax!
http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/04/01/7607/
http://www.nseries.com/products/n800...ducts,n810_wme
http://www.nokia.com/press/techpodcast

Patience, my son, no sense wasting so much money.....

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Um, you do realize Xohm is a "SELLphone" company, right? ("Xohm is a
> business division of wireless pioneer Sprint Nextel...")

It'll be sold like cable internet, according to the Nokia brass pouring
money into it.

>
> Won't they be selling a finite amount of 4G "WiMax" bandwidth, just
> like they and their competitors sell a finite amount of 3G bandwidth
> now?

Nope. WiMax won't be sharing bandwidth with SELLphones, limiting its
bandwidth to what's left over after the telephone business gets done
with it, like you have now. WiMax is like your wifi on steroids, 2500
Mhz, 2 miles per cell range like a PCS phone, all installed on the
EXISTING Sprint towers so it won't become a political football about
towers. They'll simply add the 2500 Mhz antennas to the 1900 Mhz
antenna farms. It also hands off like your Sellphone as you
travel...similar to your Sellphone data link, but at 2-4Mbps, maxing out
at 10Mbps, which is dreaming in the RF environment.

So, you end up with Wifi speeds on a system that roams like Sellphone
data, but much faster and not so cluged up with voice data.

>
> How will this be any different that the current status quo (except for
> the faster speed)?
>
>

It's on a different band, entirely. Acts like PCS in range but doesn't
share bandwidth with other Sellphone products eating its bandwidth. It
also uses lessons from the digital Sellphone experience to deal with
NLOS (also called multipath by us old farts in radiocomms). Here's some
details:
http://www.srtelecom.com/en/products...-LOS-and-NLOS-
Technology.pdf

http://www.wimax.com/

Until quite recently, WiMax has been a hodge-podge of poorly funded
small operators all trying to put something up so they can rip off the
big boys when they show up and have to buy licenses.....EXACTLY like
early Sellphone operators did, for those of us who've been around since
IMTS and AMPS. But, this is no longer the case with big names with big
money like Nokia, Cisco, Intel, Samsung, etc., some of the most massive
communications and electronics companies on the planet. They will
proffer Xohm the money to make it happen, unlike Sprint's early failure,
with a lot of consumer-friendly strings attached, to keep the Sellphone
mentality Sprint and others bring to the money table from ruining it
with exhorbitant charges and stupid Sellphone bull****. Samsung and
Nokia and Intel and Cisco are HARDWARE vendors interested in making
WiMax available at a reasonable price to EVERYONE in range who will buy
consumer equipment and maximize orders for infrastructure vendor
equipment. Sellphone data was NEVER intended to sell to mere consumers.
It was supposed to be sold at huge profits to BUSINESS for email and
company intranet access, who mostly refused to pay $5/kilobyte for
bandwidth that just goes wasted, anyways.

Business is also gonna be just fantastic for WiMax. They're chompin' at
the bit to dump there ****ty little kilobyte rental PDAs, Blackberrys,
and other very limited Sellphone devices for some serious bandwidth on
the road for their LAPTOPS that have been hobbled to death by the stupid
assed aircards and little wifi hotspots in hotels. I don't know a
single business that has multiple salesmen on the road that wouldn't buy
a WiMax laptop so his salesman could interact and order right from
Smiley's Tire and Storm Door, who has no wifi for him to connect to,
now. His aircard "sometimes" has enough bandwidth out there so he can
at least order from it, but to show Smiley the wholesaler's online
catalog, frankly, takes FOREVER to wade through the pages. WiMax should
make that nearly as fast as if he had an ethernet cord plugged into
Smiley's cable modem. Business has been looking for WiMax for
years....a great, well-paying customer base to support WiMax and recover
the infrastructure installation expenses.

We'll all look back on EVDO with fond memories of dropped connections,
constantly shifting IP addresses, dump-me-on-idle-over-3-minutes PPP
connections that require a new IP reconnection to confound any useful
software looking for a call. WiMax will be like cable internet...ALWAYS
ON, ALWAYS CONNECTED.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:fsv1lv$914$1
@aioe.org:

> Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
>
> (BTW, according to the trade papers, Sprint's new "boss" is less
> enthusiastic about WiMax compared to the last CEO, and has delayed
it's
> deployment to concentrate on more urgent matters like fixing Sprint's
> customer service issues and their horrific churn rate.)
>
>

I watched with great interest when Navicore/Wayfinder wasn't too
interested in installing their navigation software onto the Nokia Linux
tablets, for fear someone was gonna steal their code off the little SD
cards Nokia was putting the software on....and selling out to KNOWN
HACKERS who made the tablets work in the first place. Hiding anything
on a LINUX tablet is FUTILE...a "temporary inconvenience"...(c;

So, Nokia simply bought the company, lock, stock and smoking barrel. I
don't know what it cost them, but Navicore was "in the way" of progress
with its highly secretive, proprietary, sell-maps-in-little-pieces-to-
maximize-profits mentality. Suddenly, I got an email from Navicore
telling me a FREE UPGRADE that included all the maps of NORTH AMERICA,
not the eastern half of the USA ONLY the old Navicore included....was
waiting for me to download directly to my tablet with "improved"
software. "Improved" meant I could install it onto MY memory card, not
have to swap memory cards back and forth like the old software dongles
IBM XT users used to be forced to use....once again proving Nokia's
commitment to a more open environment. Wayfinder now comes FREE to each
new N810 (and new N810WE WiMax) tablet owner with the built in GPS
receiver in the N810. You could say, I suppose, it's "Part of the
price", which it is. It now installs with the OS2008 on the N810s. We
N800-with-external-GPS owners have to let Linux install it, separately.

Sprint/Nextel is in poor health and just begging for a takeover. This
trend could continue and Nokia simply buy them out of petty cash for
being "in the way" of selling WiMax to a greatful America....Ask
Navicore!.....(c;

Oh, I MAY already be ready for WiMax on my OS2008-installed N800! One
of those webpages says:

"Also being introduced with the Nokia N810 WiMAX Edition is the newest
Internet Tablet operating system. This new upgraded OS2008 introduces
useful new features to the platform, including an enhanced e-mail
client, support for Chinese character rendering in the browser and RSS
feeds. Current owners of Nokia N810 and N800 Internet Tablets with
earlier operating systems will be able to upgrade their device to the
revised operating system for free during the second quarter of 2008."

Hot ziggady dog....another FREE upgrade to a whole new system! That's
two free upgrades to my N800 tablet with major new software in them!

THANK YOU, NOKIA!!

At 02 Apr 2008 05:22:47 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > Um, you do realize Xohm is a "SELLphone" company, right? ("Xohm is a
> > business division of wireless pioneer Sprint Nextel...")
>
> It'll be sold like cable internet, according to the Nokia brass pouring
> money into it.


You're missing my point- I realize it's different band, but it's still
another form of tower-based limited-bandwidth wireless.

Sprint has already said that they do not plan to sell it for fixed-location
use (cable/DSL replacement) due to bandwidth concerns, but haven't said how
they plan to police it (download limits? bandwidth throttling?)

> > Won't they be selling a finite amount of 4G "WiMax" bandwidth, just
> > like they and their competitors sell a finite amount of 3G bandwidth
> > now?
>
> Nope. WiMax won't be sharing bandwidth with SELLphones, limiting its
> bandwidth to what's left over after the telephone business gets done
> with it, like you have now. WiMax is like your wifi on steroids, 2500
> Mhz, 2 miles per cell range like a PCS phone, all installed on the
> EXISTING Sprint towers so it won't become a political football about
> towers. They'll simply add the 2500 Mhz antennas to the 1900 Mhz
> antenna farms. It also hands off like your Sellphone as you
> travel...similar to your Sellphone data link, but at 2-4Mbps, maxing out
> at 10Mbps, which is dreaming in the RF environment.


Again, you're missing my point. It's still a finite amount of bandwidth,
regardless of whether it's shared with other services or not, which limits
Sprint's ability to market it cheaply or for completely unlimited,
unrestricted usage.

> So, you end up with Wifi speeds on a system that roams like Sellphone
> data, but much faster and not so cluged up with voice data.

Depends how many people are using it, I guess...


> Until quite recently, WiMax has been a hodge-podge of poorly funded
> small operators all trying to put something up so they can rip off the
> big boys when they show up and have to buy licenses.....EXACTLY like
> early Sellphone operators did, for those of us who've been around since
> IMTS and AMPS. But, this is no longer the case with big names with big
> money like Nokia, Cisco, Intel, Samsung, etc., some of the most massive
> communications and electronics companies on the planet. They will
> proffer Xohm the money to make it happen, unlike Sprint's early failure,
> with a lot of consumer-friendly strings attached, to keep the Sellphone
> mentality Sprint and others bring to the money table from ruining it
> with exhorbitant charges and stupid Sellphone bull****.

Where are you getting this nonsense? Sprint has been at the helm of this
since day one, and are still calling the shots. They're getting a
desperately needed cash infusion from these companies because they've
already wasted a crapload of money developing the hardware for this network
and need it to get off the ground almost as much as Sprint does.

> Samsung and
> Nokia and Intel and Cisco are HARDWARE vendors interested in making
> WiMax available at a reasonable price to EVERYONE in range who will buy
> consumer equipment and maximize orders for infrastructure vendor
> equipment. Sellphone data was NEVER intended to sell to mere consumers.
> It was supposed to be sold at huge profits to BUSINESS for email and
> company intranet access, who mostly refused to pay $5/kilobyte for
> bandwidth that just goes wasted, anyways.


Take your blinders off Larry and look around you- plenty of us are using
cellular data every day- businesses and consumers alike.

> I don't know a
> single business that has multiple salesmen on the road that wouldn't buy
> a WiMax laptop so his salesman could interact and order right from
> Smiley's Tire and Storm Door, who has no wifi for him to connect to,
> now.

They're already using 3G.

> His aircard "sometimes" has enough bandwidth out there so he can
> at least order from it, but to show Smiley the wholesaler's online
> catalog, frankly, takes FOREVER to wade through the pages.

Oh please, EVDO is plenty fast enough for those uses.

> WiMax should
> make that nearly as fast as if he had an ethernet cord plugged into
> Smiley's cable modem. Business has been looking for WiMax for
> years....a great, well-paying customer base to support WiMax and recover
> the infrastructure installation expenses.

Geez Larry- I can't wait to hear you screaming when it launches at a higher
cost than EVDO with an equally restrictive ToS. You'll feel almost as
betrayed as you felt when that digital bagphone you bought turned out to be
a handheld wired into a giant box.


> We'll all look back on EVDO with fond memories of dropped connections,
> constantly shifting IP addresses, dump-me-on-idle-over-3-minutes PPP
> connections that require a new IP reconnection to confound any useful
> software looking for a call. WiMax will be like cable internet...ALWAYS
> ON, ALWAYS CONNECTED.


Don't hold your breath. It's a new network run by the same old players
who'll have the same old bandwidth problems. And if they manage to pull it
off, more power to them- the competitive pressure will drop 3G data
pricing. Verizon and AT&T won't be able to get $60 for 5GB if Sprint/Xohm
offers 20GB for $49.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:fsvdgm$c1q$1
@aioe.org:

> Don't hold your breath.

Have it your way.....

We shall see what happens.

Sprint has unlimited service, now. I know someone who hits them very hard
and never has had a ***** at him, even on sellular.

Not everyone is Verizon Wireless.....(c;

At 02 Apr 2008 14:01:34 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > Don't hold your breath.
>
> Have it your way.....


I actually want it to happen YOUR way. I'm just too jaded to believe it'll
happen.


> We shall see what happens.
>
> Sprint has unlimited service, now. I know someone who hits them very
hard
> and never has had a ***** at him, even on sellular.
>
> Not everyone is Verizon Wireless.....(c;
>

True, but Sprint can't afford another customer service nightmare that the
"AOL effect" would cause- overselling a popular service to the deriment of
it's users leaves a bitter taste in the users' mouths for a very long time.

Controlling overload means either ToS (or even technological) limitations,
or less-than-spectacular pricing. Why do think the pricing "sweet spot"
for cellular data or satellite data is $60, and not, say, $50 or even $40?
Simple- fixed broadband (cable or DSL) rarely exceeds $50. A $60 price
point guarantees that wireless isn't competitive as broadband replacement
ANYWHERE, yet is in the same pricing "ballpark." WiMax will be the same.
Sprint won't sell it for $30 or $40, because it will attract fixed-service
customers (like me) who'd gladly sacrifice a little speed for portability,
and clog up their service.

Sprint also intends to sell the service for casual use for dedicated non-
computer devices, like digital cameras (picture a camera that one-touch
transfers your pictures via WiMax to your, or THEIR, pre-chosen photo
finisher's website) or eBook readers (like Amazon's Kindle) that need
relatively infrequent access, but need broadband speed when using the
service. (No one will upload their digicam photos if the transfer will
take a half-hour!)


Again, I hope your WiMax future is the one we see rather than mine, but
frankly I'm surprised at you- you're generally far too cynical to see The
Next Big Thing (tm) as being, well, the next big thing! ;-)

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:ft0ajt$gre$3
@aioe.org:

>
> Again, I hope your WiMax future is the one we see rather than mine,
but
> frankly I'm surprised at you- you're generally far too cynical to see
The
> Next Big Thing (tm) as being, well, the next big thing! ;-)
>
>

Most people think of Nokia, the sellphone manufacturer. It's the part
of the company they are exposed to. What they don't see is Nokia...or
more explicitly, Nokia-Siemens, the infrastructure company, one of the
largest resources on the planet. Add to this Cisco, THE internet
infrastructure company, and you have a giant monster of resources and
manufacturing that could simply swallow Sprint without fear of
indigestion. These are massive European corporations who aren't used to
"no" or "can't". Nokia made the WiMax N810WE official, yesterday, its
first in a long trail of offerings. I suspect the WiMax phones will be
very soon, especially in Europe which is always way ahead of the
American politics and greedy electronics gangsters trying to cut up the
markets.

They just seem like totally different companies from what we are used
to. Their commitment to Linux and Open Source is astonishing, almost as
astonishing as their commitment to the customers....not the Sellphone
corporations, the end users. The N8xx tablets is a great example. Who
else would be so crazy as to create mobile devices uncontrolled by the
big Sellphone corporations? That could be suicide. Now, they come in
and start making noises about a new system that MAY bypass those same
Sellphone corporations, entirely. Cisco isn't dependent on Verizon or
Alltel or ATT. Nokia doesn't act like they are, either. There's not a
lot of Nokia phones on our streets, here.

As to my optimism about Xohm happening, we're now entering an era where
it's not bankrupt Sprint and some little guys with poor funding going it
alone. Samsung is a monster. Nokia is a bigger monster. Cisco is
large. Intel is huge. The Xohm financial picture has just changed,
drastically, with these big guns entering the poolroom. It's a new
game. I cannot imagine these big corporations allowing Sprint to screw
up the Xohm rollout with the usual Sellphone sell-it-by-the-byte
mentality. Sure, they're all working to maximize profits, what
corporations do. But, these boys are not so stupid as to piss off the
new customer base of savvy users and businessmen with the kind of
attitude that has made Verizon Wireless famous. I don't think that's
going to happen. If it does, my spigot will close, just like millions
of others. I'm not brand loyal at all. I buy what works and gives the
most value. Alltel gives me value. Nokia gives me value. Knology
Cable gives me value. As soon as I don't get it, it's toast! WiMax
could be, too.

$500 for a WebTV is insane.....(c;

At 03 Apr 2008 00:04:24 +0000 Larry wrote:

> They just seem like totally different companies from what we are used
> to. Their commitment to Linux and Open Source is astonishing,

How so? They make a couple of Linux-based tablets than probably earn 1% of
the revenue that their Symbian and Nokia S40-OS cellphones bring in.
Where's their Linux phone? I'm still surprised there's no N8xx phone to
compete with the iPhone and upcoming Google Android OS. The N8xx series is
almost ideal- it's a GSM module away from being the most advanced phone on
the planet.

> almost as
> astonishing as their commitment to the customers....not the Sellphone
> corporations, the end users.

Nokia bends over and makes crummy crippled handsets for carriers just like
everyone else. They also happen to make unlocked models just like every
GSM Vendor. You're just not used to the GSM side of the biz. and

> The N8xx tablets is a great example. Who
> else would be so crazy as to create mobile devices uncontrolled by the
> big Sellphone corporations?

HTC, Motorola, Panasonic, Samsung, LG, etc. All of them (including Nokia)
ALSO happen to build crippled handsets on demand as well.

> That could be suicide.

Only in your conspiracy-fueled mind. Again, you're not used to GSM.
Carriers don't exert the same control of handset use as American CDMA
carriers. You can buy locked, customized, ("crippled") handsets cheaply
from the carrier, or buy expensive unlocked full-featured units direct from
the manufacturers or distributors.

> Now, they come in
> and start making noises about a new system that MAY bypass those same
> Sellphone corporations, entirely.

They aren't "bypassing" Sprint, are they? Xohm is still Sprint's baby-
these other guys are vendors protecting their investment.

> Cisco isn't dependent on Verizon or
> Alltel or ATT. Nokia doesn't act like they are, either. There's not a
> lot of Nokia phones on our streets, here.

No- they've tried to increase profits by building mid-to-high-end handsets,
and Americans buy low-end as a rule, except in the "smartphone" category
Nokia seemingly lags behind in.

> As to my optimism about Xohm happening, we're now entering an era where
> it's not bankrupt Sprint and some little guys with poor funding going it
> alone. Samsung is a monster. Nokia is a bigger monster. Cisco is
> large. Intel is huge. The Xohm financial picture has just changed,
> drastically, with these big guns entering the poolroom.

They're just protecting their huge R&D investment that seemed like a sure
thing when Sprint started all this.

> It's a new
> game. I cannot imagine these big corporations allowing Sprint to screw
> up the Xohm rollout with the usual Sellphone sell-it-by-the-byte
> mentality. Sure, they're all working to maximize profits, what
> corporations do. But, these boys are not so stupid as to piss off the
> new customer base of savvy users and businessmen with the kind of
> attitude that has made Verizon Wireless famous.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean they'll be selling it cheap.

> I don't think that's
> going to happen. If it does, my spigot will close, just like millions
> of others.

"Millions of others" are already happily using 3G.

> I'm not brand loyal at all. I buy what works and gives the
> most value.

And proceed to bludgeon the rest of us over the head with your
"discoveries!"

> Alltel gives me value. Nokia gives me value. Knology
> Cable gives me value.

You forgot Skype... ;-)

> As soon as I don't get it, it's toast! WiMax
> could be, too.
>
> $500 for a WebTV is insane.....(c;


Not if it provides $500 worth of value to the buyer...