simple GPS lat/lon display?

If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
to be used later by standard GPS units.
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"P.Schuman" <[email protected]> wrote in news:AGCIj.23247
[email protected]:

> If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
> can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
> I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
> to be used later by standard GPS units.

SURELY YOU JEST!!

SELLphone companies letting you see data from what you bought WITHOUT
PAYING SELLPHONE COMPANIES?!!

BITE YOUR TONGUE.....and open your wallet!

(in my best British accent) NEVAH!........(c;

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>to be used later by standard GPS units.

GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....

D <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:

> On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>>to be used later by standard GPS units.
>
> GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
> triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
>

Actually, some phones do have GPS and do not rely on triangulation.

And your post highlights something that I find interesting. GPS is the
acronym for "Global Positioning Satellite." Therefore, in order to offer
GPS as a service, a unit would need to communicate with satellites.
Anything else is simply a locator service, and is advertised as such.

D wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>> can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
>> I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>> to be used later by standard GPS units.
>
> GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
> triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....

Actually some do use that as part of the solution.

The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
they use.

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>to be used later by standard GPS units.

What phone? What carrier?
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George <[email protected]> wrote:

>D wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>>> can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
>>> I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>>> to be used later by standard GPS units.
>>
>> GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
>> triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
>
>Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
>
>The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
>cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
>they use.

And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?

"P.Schuman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
> can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
> I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
> to be used later by standard GPS units.
> --
> ----------------------------------
> "If everything seems to be going well,
> you have obviously overlooked something." - Steven Wright

Crossposting left in.

If you have a WM6 PPC/phone with a built in GPS like the Sprint Mogul has
then you mght find something with a "simple GPS lat/long display" here:
http://pocketpcfreewares.com/en/inde...cat=30&sortby=

Jack Hamilton wrote:

> George <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>D wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>>>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
>>>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>>>>to be used later by standard GPS units.
>>>
>>>GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
>>>triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
>>
>>Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
>>
>>The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
>>cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
>>they use.
>
>
> And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
> Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
> lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?


The HP iPaq hw65**/67**/69** GPS radio outputs NMEA 0183 Geographic
Latitude and Longitude (GLL) format coordinates, independent of carrier.

Jack Hamilton wrote:
> George <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> D wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>>>> can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?
>>>> I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>>>> to be used later by standard GPS units.
>>> GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
>>> triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
>> Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
>>
>> The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
>> cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
>> they use.
>
> And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
> Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
> lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?

Its way to vague of a question since there are multiple schemes and
multiple devices with different feature sets.

Roger 2008 wrote:
> "News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>George <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>>>>>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application
>
> ?
>
>>>>>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>>>>>>to be used later by standard GPS units.
>>>>>
>>>>>GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
>>>>>triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
>>>>
>>>>Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
>>>>
>>>>The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
>>>>cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
>>>>they use.
>>>
>>>
>>>And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
>>>Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
>>>lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?
>>
>>
>>The HP iPaq hw65**/67**/69** GPS radio outputs NMEA 0183 Geographic
>>Latitude and Longitude (GLL) format coordinates, independent of carrier.
>
>
>
> I believe that pretty much every GPS out there uses the "NMEA 0183"
> protocol.


But they're not all cell phones, are they?

"News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Jack Hamilton wrote:
>
> > George <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>D wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
> >>><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
> >>>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application
?
> >>>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
> >>>>to be used later by standard GPS units.
> >>>
> >>>GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather they
> >>>triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
> >>
> >>Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
> >>
> >>The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
> >>cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
> >>they use.
> >
> >
> > And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
> > Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
> > lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?
>
>
> The HP iPaq hw65**/67**/69** GPS radio outputs NMEA 0183 Geographic
> Latitude and Longitude (GLL) format coordinates, independent of carrier.


I believe that pretty much every GPS out there uses the "NMEA 0183"
protocol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMEA_0183

Even the Garmin Mobile 10, a BT GPS uses "NMEA 0183."

More info on the "Protocol" used by the "Garmin Mobile 10":
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/as...ile10_0706.pdf

But the Garmin Mobile 10 will change it's protocol when used with Garmin
Mobile XT software and it takes a power cycle to return it to using "NMEA
0183." BTW I learned that from a tech at Garmin.

That means that other programs that expect "NMEA 0183" like "Google Maps for
Mobile" will not work with the "Garmin Mobile 10" after using it with the
"Garmin Mobile XT" software until you cycle power on the device.

Roger 2008 wrote:
> "News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>Roger 2008 wrote:
>>
>>>"News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>George <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
>>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
>>>>>>>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map
>
> application
>
>>>?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
>>>>>>>>to be used later by standard GPS units.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather
>
> they
>
>>>>>>>triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
>>>>>>cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
>>>>>>they use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
>>>>>Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
>>>>>lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The HP iPaq hw65**/67**/69** GPS radio outputs NMEA 0183 Geographic
>>>>Latitude and Longitude (GLL) format coordinates, independent of carrier.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I believe that pretty much every GPS out there uses the "NMEA 0183"
>>>protocol.
>>
>>
>>But they're not all cell phones, are they?
>
>
>
> If you know of a "cell phone" that takes "map applications" like the
> original poster was asking about and does *not* use "NMEA 0183" protocol
> then let me know about it.
>
> Until then I will repeat myself as having posted: "I believe that pretty
> much every GPS out there uses the "NMEA 0183" protocol.
>
> TNX
>
>


Sure, repeat at will. Regardless of context.

The question, cross-posted to numerous cell phone provider newsgroups,
about E911 a cell phone location matter, was:

"Does GPS return lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?"

The reply was yes, GPS does return GLL. Further, that on the hw-series
iPaq PocketPC GSM phones, it will do so, even without a SIM installed.

"TNX", yourself. Check that DST problem, too.

"News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Roger 2008 wrote:
> > "News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>
> >>Jack Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>George <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>D wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
> >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
> >>>>>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map
application
> >
> > ?
> >
> >>>>>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
> >>>>>>to be used later by standard GPS units.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather
they
> >>>>>triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
> >>>>
> >>>>Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
> >>>>
> >>>>The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
> >>>>cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what phone
> >>>>they use.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any carrier.
> >>>Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
> >>>lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?
> >>
> >>
> >>The HP iPaq hw65**/67**/69** GPS radio outputs NMEA 0183 Geographic
> >>Latitude and Longitude (GLL) format coordinates, independent of carrier.
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe that pretty much every GPS out there uses the "NMEA 0183"
> > protocol.
>
>
> But they're not all cell phones, are they?


If you know of a "cell phone" that takes "map applications" like the
original poster was asking about and does *not* use "NMEA 0183" protocol
then let me know about it.

Until then I will repeat myself as having posted: "I believe that pretty
much every GPS out there uses the "NMEA 0183" protocol.

TNX

"News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Roger 2008 wrote:
> > "News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>
> >>Roger 2008 wrote:
> >>
> >>>"News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Jack Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>George <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>D wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:01:52 GMT, "P.Schuman"
> >>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>If I enable the GPS location ON vs just have E911
> >>>>>>>>can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map
> >
> > application
> >
> >>>?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
> >>>>>>>>to be used later by standard GPS units.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>GPS on cell phones is not based on the satalites in orbit, rather
> >
> > they
> >
> >>>>>>>triangulate off the towers. It isn't a true GPS....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Actually some do use that as part of the solution.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>The problem with this question is that the OP cross posted to every
> >>>>>>cellular group without specifying what carrier they use and what
phone
> >>>>>>they use.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And yet no one has answered the question for any phone or any
carrier.
> >>>>>Perhaps someone will have to write a custom program. Does GPS return
> >>>>>lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>The HP iPaq hw65**/67**/69** GPS radio outputs NMEA 0183 Geographic
> >>>>Latitude and Longitude (GLL) format coordinates, independent of
carrier.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I believe that pretty much every GPS out there uses the "NMEA 0183"
> >>>protocol.
> >>
> >>
> >>But they're not all cell phones, are they?
> >
> >
> >
> > If you know of a "cell phone" that takes "map applications" like the
> > original poster was asking about and does *not* use "NMEA 0183" protocol
> > then let me know about it.
> >
> > Until then I will repeat myself as having posted: "I believe that pretty
> > much every GPS out there uses the "NMEA 0183" protocol.
> >
> > TNX
> >
> >
>
>
> Sure, repeat at will. Regardless of context.
>
> The question, cross-posted to numerous cell phone provider newsgroups,
> about E911 a cell phone location matter, was:
>
> "Does GPS return lat/lon, or does it use some other location scheme?"

Please do not forget who the original poster was and his questions: He
asked:
"can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?"

The answer to that is "yes" and it is proven by the amount of freeware
available for PPC/phones that turn GPS data into lat/long.

The original poster also stated:
"I just want to be able to log specific GPS coords
to be used later by standard GPS units."

It sounded like he was interested in "geocaching." That is basically just a
way to say where something is via long/lat and there are all sorts of sites
about "geocaching" on the internet.

FYI I'm not really interested in taking up a debate about secondary
questions on this thread that doesn't answer the original poster since I too
am looking for the same thing the original poster is.

TNX