Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

4phun wrote:
> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>
> Fascinating article
>
> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> enter into your cell phone:

The sky is not falling!!
My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with
no experation date.

Tom J

Tom J wrote:
> 4phun wrote:
>
>>Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>>
>>Fascinating article
>>
>>"Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>enter into your cell phone:
>
>
> The sky is not falling!!
> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with
> no experation date.


R-i-g-h-t. That works SO WELL... NOT.

News wrote:
> Tom J wrote:
>> 4phun wrote:
>>
>>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>>>
>>> Fascinating article
>>>
>>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>> enter into your cell phone:
>>
>>
>> The sky is not falling!!
>> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
>> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement
>> with no experation date.
>
>
> R-i-g-h-t. That works SO WELL... NOT.

SO?? I don't get those type calls on my home phone OR my cell phone??
Works for me!!

Tom J

4phun wrote:
> On Jun 16, 11:05 am, "Tom J" <tomn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 4phun wrote:
>>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas...
>>
>>> Fascinating article
>>
>>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>> enter into your cell phone:
>>
>> The sky is not falling!!
>> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
>> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement
>> with no experation date.
>>
>> Tom J
>
> Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. I
> still
> received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
> local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat
> and
> at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.

You thought it was neat, but I wouldn't. They would hear from me & not
as a customer either!

Tom J

News wrote:
>
>
> Tom J wrote:
>> 4phun wrote:
>>
>>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>>>
>>>
>>> Fascinating article
>>>
>>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>> enter into your cell phone:
>>
>>
>> The sky is not falling!!
>> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
>> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with
>> no experation date.
>
>
> R-i-g-h-t. That works SO WELL... NOT.

Works for me. I have our cell numbers and also home VoIP numbers on the
do not call list and also the businesses we have a relationship with
have also been asked not to call unless it is business related per the
do not call regulation and I can't remember the last unsolicited call.

"Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:v4idnZ6XV4nFHMvVnZ2dnUVZ_qninZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> 4phun wrote:
>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>>
>> Fascinating article
>>
>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>> enter into your cell phone:
>
> The sky is not falling!!
> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you should do
> the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with no experation
> date.
>
> Tom J
BFD.. There is no enforcement on that list. They know it and there is
nothing anyone can do. SBC Told me they can't do anything but change my
number.

The list is bogus.

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On 2008-06-16, Kevin Weaver <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> BFD.. There is no enforcement on that list. They know it and there is
> nothing anyone can do. SBC Told me they can't do anything but change my
> number.
>
> The list is bogus.

SBC/AT&T? They're a bunch of lazy, incompetent assholes who only exist to
screw everyone they do business with.

The DNC list works for my family too. You might try it.


--
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:54:04 -0500, "BruceR" <bruceNO@SPAMwhoever.com>
wrote:

>
>"Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>newso6dnU3GCpt3WMvVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@earthlink.c om...
>
>>
>> You thought it was neat, but I wouldn't. They would hear from me & not
>> as a customer either!
>>
>> Tom J
>That's exactly right. As soon as the first person angrily storms into a
>store demanding payment for minutes or text units that the store used
>the practice will stop dead in it's tracks. And the smart carrier who
>promises to never allow the practice will see thousands of subscribers
>flocking to it until all the carriers get the point. The smart carriers
>will only allow it to happen on an opt-in basis or compensated basis
>where one would get discounted - or possibly even free - service for
>allowing the ads. I could see a construct where a pre-paid phone
>customer could earn more minutes by allowing him/herself to be bombarded
>by ads and getting a half a minute free for every ad they opened.
>

Virgin Mobile already has it. minute for minute credit for watching
ads on thier site, and (IIRC) and a minute of airtime for each two
(free) text ads you reply to for more info. You can also get bonus
minutes for doing surveys on-site as well.

D <noemail@respondhere.com> wrote in
news:506e54lg658iqlpmrcdludi60ftcqnmipj@4ax.com:

> Virgin Mobile already has it. minute for minute credit for watching
> ads on thier site, and (IIRC) and a minute of airtime for each two
> (free) text ads you reply to for more info. You can also get bonus
> minutes for doing surveys on-site as well.
>
>
>
>

Hmm...with a little app to automate the process, this might be a free
sellphone!

At 16 Jun 2008 18:44:33 -0400 George wrote:

> > Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. I still
> > received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
> > local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat and
> > at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.
>
> Thinking it was "neat" wouldn't be my first thought...

Funny, MY first thought was "impossible." How is the "local robot" going
to sniff out your phone number to text you by "sensing your phone"? Like
many of 4phun's posts, this smells fishy.

As reported in the trades, advertisers have been testing "robots" that
attempt to connect with Bluetooth-enabled phones left in discoverable mode
with offers of free ringtones or wallpapers to promote movies, etc., but
the recipient has to permit the contact and pair with the sender, and
AFAIK, the tests have been less than impressive for the sponsors (few
people understand how to use their phone's BT other than using their
headset.)

I fail to see how any "robot" could intercept a device's phone number to
text it unsolicited. I think 4phun is having "phun" with us and passing
off apocryphal urban legend as a first hand account. Next he'll tell us
you can pop corn with four iPhones... ;-)

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:e322c005-f366-41c2-802c-
6e2ce60f76b7@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

> Brace yourself for ads on your cellphone.

The really sad part is millions of dumbasses are BUYING from this spam,
just like the web spam, dooming them, and us, to yet more billboards in our
homes, in our cars, in our pockets....

Too bad, too, because a clear message COULD be sent back up the lines that
this was unacceptable behaviour....just like MPAA and RIAA....simply stop
buying.

Maybe as we pass $10/gallon that might happen!

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:06:50 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>D <noemail@respondhere.com> wrote in
>news:506e54lg658iqlpmrcdludi60ftcqnmipj@4ax.com :
>
>> Virgin Mobile already has it. minute for minute credit for watching
>> ads on thier site, and (IIRC) and a minute of airtime for each two
>> (free) text ads you reply to for more info. You can also get bonus
>> minutes for doing surveys on-site as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hmm...with a little app to automate the process, this might be a free
>sellphone!

yeah, but I think it is limited to 30 or 60 minutes a month. I would
have to check to see...

D <noemail@respondhere.com> wrote in
news:65kg545ov2bbq6pf4dl4g9jpbr9ujefcc1@4ax.com:

> yeah, but I think it is limited to 30 or 60 minutes a month. I would
> have to check to see...
>
>

Oh, I'm sure. But, with automation we could have a new one every 3 of 4
days...(c;

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:4a290238-d0a4-4261-a726-
b851f606050d@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

> A couple of years ago CNet observed, "For example, advertisers could
> use location information to send SMS (Short Message Service) text
> messages to cell phone subscribers traveling to a new city. The
> messages could tout nearby restaurants or could include coupons to be
> used at certain locations. " How do they get such data? The business
> uses a programmed robot to monitor the exchange of passing cell phone
> handshakes to a nearby cell tower. They can then automatically
> initiate a SMS to your passing phone.
>
>

"They" could do that, but I doubt they will. This would expose their web
page structure to unbelieveable tortures from DoS, Massive downloadings
from redirectors across the planet, straight out hacking into webpages,
databases, company records, etc.

Piss off the wrong group of people and they can just kiss that server
good bye, if you get my drift......all without selling anything anywhere
near worth the damages that "wrong group" would inflict.

It's not worth their time and money to spam you that way. They've
already taken over the webpages noone, of consequence, cares anything
about.

Just add webpages to TV, Radio, Newspapers and Magazines on the huge pile
of excrement at the spam dump. Why anyone would actually PAY for a new
TV, then PAY someone to deliver electronic excrement to paste up on its
screen still amazes me.

It all started way back when they discovered idiot Americans would
actually listen and buy things off the radio. Pretty much has been
downhill since the mid 1920's.

On Jun 17, 1:46*am, gordonb.d8...@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
> >Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. *I still
> >received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
> >local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat and
> >at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.
>
> That part is scary: *your phone should not be identifying itself
> to the immediate area around you. *If it can, that means any terrorist
> or hit person or ex-wife can build a bomb that goes off when YOU,
> and only YOU, approach it. *It's great if you are a hit man. *It's
> not so great if you are a person with a serious enemy, like most
> government officials of any country, or are someone who annoyed
> some psycho on the freeway yesterday. *It may be possible to do
> that with a phone's ESN, anyway, but even most phone owners don't
> know their own phone's ESN, but they do tend to hand out their phone
> number to at least close colleagues.
>
> HEY PEOPLE WHO DESIGN USA PASSPORTS: *PAY ATTENTION: *RFID in
> American passports is great for terrorists who want to blow up
> Americans, since the bomb can detect American passports nearby as
> a trigger. *WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU THINKING? *Bar codes, magnetic
> stripes, etc. that can't be remotely read are much more secure.
>
> How, technically, does it do this? *I can see where it might sense
> bluetooth devices, try to connect to them, and if it does, try to
> get the phone number. *That sounds like a really good plan (NOT)
> for the merchant: the way IN to the store (and probably OUT as well)
> is clogged with people fiddling with their phones, so anyone who
> really wants to go in to the store to BUY something has trouble
> getting around the jamup of people.
>
> Or can it snarf cell tower polling or incoming calls from the airwaves
> and your phone responding?

http://news.cnet.com/Advertising-see...6115617-2.html


A couple of years ago CNet observed, "For example, advertisers could
use location information to send SMS (Short Message Service) text
messages to cell phone subscribers traveling to a new city. The
messages could tout nearby restaurants or could include coupons to be
used at certain locations. " How do they get such data? The business
uses a programmed robot to monitor the exchange of passing cell phone
handshakes to a nearby cell tower. They can then automatically
initiate a SMS to your passing phone.