Doggy wants to bite

Here we go again. Another law suit in the works, this one sponsored by
a self proclaimed California watch dog group. False advertising of high
capacity while charging people high rates for leaving early- or so the
claim goes.
At this rate there is only one reasonable thing for any cell phone
company to do. Stop providing cellular services to one of the greediest
states in the Union.
Some folks in California are going too far. Not one single cell phone
company is able to meet California's coverage demands. How long before
all the cell phone companies get together and sue these idiots back?

One the flip side of the fence Cingular does the entire west coast a
disservice by not providing TDMA service. GSM is not all that great, in
fact, it's worse for coverage than TDMA has been in years. They can
provide both forms of coverage, and do it well- if they want to.

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In case you haven't been paying attention, cingular plans to fully take
down their entire TDMA network as soon as possible. That's why they are
pushing GSM everywhere they can
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Thanx,

N W


[email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Here we go again. Another law suit in the works, this one sponsored by
> a self proclaimed California watch dog group. False advertising of high
> capacity while charging people high rates for leaving early- or so the
> claim goes.
> At this rate there is only one reasonable thing for any cell phone
> company to do. Stop providing cellular services to one of the greediest
> states in the Union.
> Some folks in California are going too far. Not one single cell phone
> company is able to meet California's coverage demands. How long before
> all the cell phone companies get together and sue these idiots back?
>
> One the flip side of the fence Cingular does the entire west coast a
> disservice by not providing TDMA service. GSM is not all that great, in
> fact, it's worse for coverage than TDMA has been in years. They can
> provide both forms of coverage, and do it well- if they want to.
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

How soon do you think TDMA will be taken down? Are you aware that
carriers aren't allowed to take down their ANALOG networks until at
least 2008 according to the FCC. I'm willing to bet TDMA and CDMA will
be around a LONG time.

[email protected] (N W) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In case you haven't been paying attention, cingular plans to fully take
> down their entire TDMA network as soon as possible. That's why they are
> pushing GSM everywhere they can
> --
> Thanx,
>
> N W
>
>
> [email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > Here we go again. Another law suit in the works, this one sponsored by
> > a self proclaimed California watch dog group. False advertising of high
> > capacity while charging people high rates for leaving early- or so the
> > claim goes.
> > At this rate there is only one reasonable thing for any cell phone
> > company to do. Stop providing cellular services to one of the greediest
> > states in the Union.
> > Some folks in California are going too far. Not one single cell phone
> > company is able to meet California's coverage demands. How long before
> > all the cell phone companies get together and sue these idiots back?
> >
> > One the flip side of the fence Cingular does the entire west coast a
> > disservice by not providing TDMA service. GSM is not all that great, in
> > fact, it's worse for coverage than TDMA has been in years. They can
> > provide both forms of coverage, and do it well- if they want to.
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Thats because AMPS (Analog), is an FCC mandated and regulated service.
TDMA/CDMA/GSM/Yadda yadda, is not.

[email protected] (Mr T) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> How soon do you think TDMA will be taken down? Are you aware that
> carriers aren't allowed to take down their ANALOG networks until at
> least 2008 according to the FCC. I'm willing to bet TDMA and CDMA will
> be around a LONG time.
>
> [email protected] (N W) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > In case you haven't been paying attention, cingular plans to fully take
> > down their entire TDMA network as soon as possible. That's why they are
> > pushing GSM everywhere they can
> > --
> > Thanx,
> >
> > N W
> >
> >
> > [email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > Here we go again. Another law suit in the works, this one sponsored by
> > > a self proclaimed California watch dog group. False advertising of high
> > > capacity while charging people high rates for leaving early- or so the
> > > claim goes.
> > > At this rate there is only one reasonable thing for any cell phone
> > > company to do. Stop providing cellular services to one of the greediest
> > > states in the Union.
> > > Some folks in California are going too far. Not one single cell phone
> > > company is able to meet California's coverage demands. How long before
> > > all the cell phone companies get together and sue these idiots back?
> > >
> > > One the flip side of the fence Cingular does the entire west coast a
> > > disservice by not providing TDMA service. GSM is not all that great, in
> > > fact, it's worse for coverage than TDMA has been in years. They can
> > > provide both forms of coverage, and do it well- if they want to.
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

> Thats because AMPS (Analog), is an FCC mandated and regulated service.
> TDMA/CDMA/GSM/Yadda yadda, is not.

True, it is not federally mandated. But it will still exist for quite a
while.

>>How soon do you think TDMA will be taken down? Are you aware that
>>carriers aren't allowed to take down their ANALOG networks until at
>>least 2008 according to the FCC. I'm willing to bet TDMA and CDMA will
>>be around a LONG time.

I would have to agree that TDMA will be around for a long time to come.
Verizon just "finished" updating its native area to CDMA during the
last 12 months. I say "finished" because there are still quite a few
areas with only analog (AMPS) service. AMPS has a larger broadcast area
than does CDMA. Because GSM is a more advanced form built upon TDMA, I
cannot comment on the broadcast area of either (if it's the same, it's
only a matter of switching out the towers and phones).

>>>In case you haven't been paying attention, cingular plans to fully take
>>>down their entire TDMA network as soon as possible. That's why they are
>>>pushing GSM everywhere they can

As I feel it is true, they do want to take down their TDMA network, they
are not allowed to "downgrade" service area while there are still
customers using the network (at least to the best of my knowledge).

One thing I have to comment on between the GSM standard and the CDMA
standard: CDMA's lack of a SIM card. I would prefer to choose a GSM
provider over a CDMA provider because of the ease of changing phones
with the same provider or the ease of changing providers with the same
phone. There is no reason that CDMA cannot support a SIM card.

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[email protected] (William Bray) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> One the flip side of the fence Cingular does the entire west coast a
> disservice by not providing TDMA service. GSM is not all that great, in
> fact, it's worse for coverage than TDMA has been in years. They can
> provide both forms of coverage, and do it well- if they want to.

Keep in mind that "Cingular" is an amalgam of previously different cell
companies. In Ca. they are the old PacBell Wireless who has been GSM
since their beginning. There's really no point in their adding TDMA since
the rest of Cingular, although predominantly TDMA, is converting to
GSM. Since Cingular operates no TDMA towers west of the Rockies,
the only TDMA coverage they'd be adding would be roaming coverage.

While additional roaming coverage would be a nice thing for their
customers, it would be very little advantage to Cingular itself.

Converting any of their current towers to also utilize TDMA wouldn't
add coverage to current west coast Cingular customers, and wouldn't
be worth the expense to save roaming costs for east coast TDMA
customers, who currently roam on AT&T TDMA when in Cingular's
California coverage areas.

Yes, I have heard that rumor. How they are actually handling the matter
is by not including TDMA on new towers. So far all the TDMA that
already exists continues to do so and is part of the roaming agreement
between Cingular and AT&T. As there are TDMA towers in California,
which AT&T and some locals still use, then there appears to be grounds
for this case. By refusing to utilize the coverage that is available
Cingular is denying access to their customers.

[email protected] (N W) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In case you haven't been paying attention, cingular plans to fully take
> down their entire TDMA network as soon as possible. That's why they are
> pushing GSM everywhere they can
> --
> Thanx,
>
> N W
>
>
> [email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > Here we go again. Another law suit in the works, this one sponsored by
> > a self proclaimed California watch dog group. False advertising of high
> > capacity while charging people high rates for leaving early- or so the
> > claim goes.
> > At this rate there is only one reasonable thing for any cell phone
> > company to do. Stop providing cellular services to one of the greediest
> > states in the Union.
> > Some folks in California are going too far. Not one single cell phone
> > company is able to meet California's coverage demands. How long before
> > all the cell phone companies get together and sue these idiots back?
> >
> > One the flip side of the fence Cingular does the entire west coast a
> > disservice by not providing TDMA service. GSM is not all that great, in
> > fact, it's worse for coverage than TDMA has been in years. They can
> > provide both forms of coverage, and do it well- if they want to.
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate:
Cingular TDMA national maps show California as covered. Cingular is
only hurting itself, they are offering a fable as a service. Verizon
and Sprint present the same concept. Most people who travel have learned
that there are unannounced gaps in coverage. AT&T national coverage
plans is a Mosaic of colors which shows almost the entire nation
provided for. Reality is different.

This silly legal hassle could become interstate, with some legal hounds
baying interstate racketeering. What's good enough for California is
good enough for the nation. Even as we write about this case some of
the developing cell phone cases in California are being used as a yard
stick for everyone to measure up to.

[email protected] (Todd Allcock) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> [email protected] (William Bray) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > One the flip side of the fence Cingular does the entire west coast a
> > disservice by not providing TDMA service. GSM is not all that great, in
> > fact, it's worse for coverage than TDMA has been in years. They can
> > provide both forms of coverage, and do it well- if they want to.
>
> Keep in mind that "Cingular" is an amalgam of previously different cell
> companies. In Ca. they are the old PacBell Wireless who has been GSM
> since their beginning. There's really no point in their adding TDMA since
> the rest of Cingular, although predominantly TDMA, is converting to
> GSM. Since Cingular operates no TDMA towers west of the Rockies,
> the only TDMA coverage they'd be adding would be roaming coverage.
>
> While additional roaming coverage would be a nice thing for their
> customers, it would be very little advantage to Cingular itself.
>
> Converting any of their current towers to also utilize TDMA wouldn't
> add coverage to current west coast Cingular customers, and wouldn't
> be worth the expense to save roaming costs for east coast TDMA
> customers, who currently roam on AT&T TDMA when in Cingular's
> California coverage areas.

[posted via phonescoop.com]