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- 10-06-2003, 02:59 AM #46Phill.Guest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
In article <[email protected]>,
"Carl." <[email protected]> wrote:
> "N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell
> vehicles
> > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker is
> turned
> > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?
> >
> > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
> > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
> > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
> > what he designed.
He who floats, sands.
Maybe the marketing folks who make the grossly exagerated coverage maps
should explain the holes to the FCC and the FTC; and justify their cell
companies keeping their license.
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- 10-06-2003, 08:22 AM #47JustinGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Asian cars are generally not designed to go without maintenence (not
> saying
> > you weren't changing your oil). American cars are much better at going
> past
> > the oil change limits, tune-ups, etc. They're built for people who
forget
> > these things every once in a while. Asian cars aren't built with such
> > forgiveness.
>
> Exactly the opposite is true. With American cars you need to stick to
> the maintenance schedule, while with a Toyota or Honda you are far
> more likely to get away with something like lack of oil changes. Try not
> changing oil on a Saturn for 10K miles--you won't have to bother to
> drain the oil as there won't be any left.
>
> Ask any independent mechanic whether a Toyota Corolla or a Ford
> Escort will endure abuse better.
>
>
Well, you might ask Ed Wallace. He's the one I heard this from, and he's
been in the car reviewing business for decades.
- 10-06-2003, 08:23 AM #48Steven M. ScharfGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Asian cars are generally not designed to go without maintenence (not
saying
> you weren't changing your oil). American cars are much better at going
past
> the oil change limits, tune-ups, etc. They're built for people who forget
> these things every once in a while. Asian cars aren't built with such
> forgiveness.
Exactly the opposite is true. With American cars you need to stick to
the maintenance schedule, while with a Toyota or Honda you are far
more likely to get away with something like lack of oil changes. Try not
changing oil on a Saturn for 10K miles--you won't have to bother to
drain the oil as there won't be any left.
Ask any independent mechanic whether a Toyota Corolla or a Ford
Escort will endure abuse better.
- 10-06-2003, 08:25 AM #49Steven M. ScharfGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As long as no one cites the Consumer Reports studies, we'll be OK.
Consumer
> reports conssitently has an anti-American product bias in the motor
vehicle
> arena.
CR consistently recommends American products. Honda Accord and Toyota Camry
are always in their top picks for mid-size cars. Trucks from the so-called
U.S.
manufacturers are also usually top rated. You can't get much more American
than
an Accord, Camry, or Tacoma!
- 10-06-2003, 01:29 PM #50Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"mitchell friend" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> they are a for profit company who makes money off companys they do
> surveys on,who ever pays the most gets best deal.surveys they do are
> always a joke,stuff ends up with recalls,or is taken off the market,or
> doesnt sell a lot of.
>
Keep in mind that Justin's claim to fame is Sprint PCS bashing and trolling
along other posters of alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He is one of the most
plonked members there. He was *wronged* by SprintPCS and has been flush his
toilet into that newsgroup ever since. He has been using that JD Powers
report (along with Phillipe, aka Richard, aka Phill., aka P.Reality ....) as
his foundation and having it discreditted will destroy this guy's soul.
BTW ... Justin used Verizon for about one day and returned his phones, so he
has no interest in Verizon, either as a previous customer, current customer
or as a potential future customer.
Tom Veldhouse
- 10-06-2003, 05:00 PM #51William BrayGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
I love this metaphor.
JD Powers, as anyone can tell by either walking into their office or
checking their website, is a for-profit organization. Any outfit that
turns out this stuff always gets kickbacks, either in direct funding or
in free commercial support (I gave an example of this). Their reports
are highly subjective. You ask for proof and then blindly provide it.
I stand by my statement. Their reports are not fully trustworthy- no
one's is.
Is this particular report really about who provides the best service or
who has the best public image? I failed to get anything from this
report that had anything to do with service. This report was regarding
who they thought would have the largest churn when portability kicks in.
Millions of people are not, for example, going to flee from Cingular to
join Verizon.
Who works the most most on their public image? You get one guess. Can
you hear me now? I almost rolled out of my chair laughing when I saw
that Verizon kept coming out on top when it came to image- What does
that have to do with actual service?
As for a few choice friends who don't like my credibility- So? I guess
I have a very short way to fall. JD Powers is a large corporation
which. It is not my interest to tear them down, too much **** would be
left to clean up afterwords. I'll stick by my opinion on this one.
By the way, US Cellular just got St Louis and Oklahoma for CDMA
coverage, so their ratings will go up.
"Phill." <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Carl." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell
> > vehicles
> > > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker is
> > turned
> > > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?
> > >
> > > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
> > > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
> > > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
> > > what he designed.
>
> He who floats, sands.
>
> Maybe the marketing folks who make the grossly exagerated coverage maps
> should explain the holes to the FCC and the FTC; and justify their cell
> companies keeping their license.
[posted via phonescoop.com]
- 10-06-2003, 05:37 PM #52mariafGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:27:44 -0000, [email protected] (David
Domanski) wrote:
>
>Not to mention most EVERY local newspaper releases consumer surveys on
>who THEY think is best and consistently Verizon is ranked number One.
>
Yup, people just can't seem to get over that fact. They come up with
all the excuses how JD is biased and all of this **** but sadly the
****ing research is true. Sprint has the worst customer service. They
are dead on accurate. Verizon is King!
- 10-06-2003, 09:00 PM #53Justin GreenGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mitchell friend" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > they are a for profit company who makes money off companys they do
> > surveys on,who ever pays the most gets best deal.surveys they do are
> > always a joke,stuff ends up with recalls,or is taken off the market,or
> > doesnt sell a lot of.
> >
>
> Keep in mind that Justin's claim to fame is Sprint PCS bashing and
trolling
> along other posters of alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He is one of the most
> plonked members there. He was *wronged* by SprintPCS and has been flush
his
> toilet into that newsgroup ever since. He has been using that JD Powers
> report (along with Phillipe, aka Richard, aka Phill., aka P.Reality ....)
as
> his foundation and having it discreditted will destroy this guy's soul.
>
> BTW ... Justin used Verizon for about one day and returned his phones, so
he
> has no interest in Verizon, either as a previous customer, current
customer
> or as a potential future customer.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>
Bear in mind Tom calls people liars, then plonks them, the runs to other
forums to talk about them. Way to be a man, Tom.
- 10-06-2003, 09:02 PM #54Justin GreenGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mitchell friend" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > they are a for profit company who makes money off companys they do
> > surveys on,who ever pays the most gets best deal.surveys they do are
> > always a joke,stuff ends up with recalls,or is taken off the market,or
> > doesnt sell a lot of.
> >
>
> Keep in mind that Justin's claim to fame is Sprint PCS bashing and
trolling
> along other posters of alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He is one of the most
> plonked members there. He was *wronged* by SprintPCS and has been flush
his
> toilet into that newsgroup ever since. He has been using that JD Powers
> report (along with Phillipe, aka Richard, aka Phill., aka P.Reality ....)
as
> his foundation and having it discreditted will destroy this guy's soul.
>
> BTW ... Justin used Verizon for about one day and returned his phones, so
he
> has no interest in Verizon, either as a previous customer, current
customer
> or as a potential future customer.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>
Also, keep in mind that this was cross posted to several forums, you
dip****.
- 10-06-2003, 09:11 PM #55Justin GreenGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > As long as no one cites the Consumer Reports studies, we'll be OK.
> Consumer
> > reports conssitently has an anti-American product bias in the motor
> vehicle
> > arena.
>
> CR consistently recommends American products. Honda Accord and Toyota
Camry
> are always in their top picks for mid-size cars. Trucks from the so-called
> U.S.
> manufacturers are also usually top rated. You can't get much more American
> than
> an Accord, Camry, or Tacoma!
Well, I was referring to Dodge, GM, and Ford. Not that they don't deserve
to be rated low or anything, it just seems that they consistently get beat
up by CR.
- 10-06-2003, 09:12 PM #56Justin GreenGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"William Bray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I love this metaphor.
> JD Powers, as anyone can tell by either walking into their office or
> checking their website, is a for-profit organization. Any outfit that
> turns out this stuff always gets kickbacks, either in direct funding or
> in free commercial support (I gave an example of this). Their reports
> are highly subjective. You ask for proof and then blindly provide it.
> I stand by my statement. Their reports are not fully trustworthy- no
> one's is.
Then why bother with them? Also, I've seen several people make the claim
that they get paid to rate companies highly, as you have just claimed. Do
any of you have a source for that claim? It's pretty serious.
> Is this particular report really about who provides the best service or
> who has the best public image? I failed to get anything from this
> report that had anything to do with service. This report was regarding
> who they thought would have the largest churn when portability kicks in.
>
> Millions of people are not, for example, going to flee from Cingular to
> join Verizon.
> Who works the most most on their public image? You get one guess. Can
> you hear me now? I almost rolled out of my chair laughing when I saw
> that Verizon kept coming out on top when it came to image- What does
> that have to do with actual service?
> As for a few choice friends who don't like my credibility- So? I guess
> I have a very short way to fall. JD Powers is a large corporation
> which. It is not my interest to tear them down, too much **** would be
> left to clean up afterwords. I'll stick by my opinion on this one.
> By the way, US Cellular just got St Louis and Oklahoma for CDMA
> coverage, so their ratings will go up.
>
> "Phill." <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Carl." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > "N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell
> > > vehicles
> > > > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker
is
> > > turned
> > > > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
> > > > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
> > > > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
> > > > what he designed.
> >
> > He who floats, sands.
> >
> > Maybe the marketing folks who make the grossly exagerated coverage maps
> > should explain the holes to the FCC and the FTC; and justify their cell
> > companies keeping their license.
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]
- 10-06-2003, 10:32 PM #57Justin GreenGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mitchell friend" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > they are a for profit company who makes money off companys they do
> > surveys on,who ever pays the most gets best deal.surveys they do are
> > always a joke,stuff ends up with recalls,or is taken off the market,or
> > doesnt sell a lot of.
> >
>
> Keep in mind that Justin's claim to fame is Sprint PCS bashing and
trolling
> along other posters of alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He is one of the most
> plonked members there. He was *wronged* by SprintPCS and has been flush
his
> toilet into that newsgroup ever since. He has been using that JD Powers
> report (along with Phillipe, aka Richard, aka Phill., aka P.Reality ....)
as
> his foundation and having it discreditted will destroy this guy's soul.
>
> BTW ... Justin used Verizon for about one day and returned his phones, so
he
> has no interest in Verizon, either as a previous customer, current
customer
> or as a potential future customer.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>
No response? Typical. Why not take this back to the Sprint forum and face
me like a man? Coward.
- 10-06-2003, 10:49 PM #58William BrayGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
This is a simple marketing strategy, not a violation of any law. The
best way to get your product sold today is to go to JD Powers. If they
smile at you then you better make sure that the rest of the world knows
it. Only a fool would ignore making a noise about getting the JD Powers
seal of approval. This ranks far higher than getting Consumer Reports
on your side.
The more folks like and trust the results of JD Powers the more business
will be brought to them. It is a simple and straight forward marketing
tactic. I know some cell phone users who hang on every word of certain
cell phone users. This is not wrong, but it is unrealistic to make your
every breath rest solely on one person or on organization's claims.
I do not contest this group's decisions, I simply have a different
criteria. Are you aware that if we simply went by alt.Sprint we would
think Sprint is doomed? There are other resources out there. Do your
own research.
As for the proof of my claim it is in the pudding itself. Open your
eyes and enjoy what you see. It is up to you what spin you want to
attach to what is there in plain sight.
Someone suggested that I was annoyed that JD Powers did not vote in a
way that I liked. Nonsense, the service provider I use still ranks very
high up there, just not for the reasons given in this report. JD is a
voice for public influence. It is not public influence in and of
itself. Do not give them credit they don't deserve. We are the public,
they are an agency. May they have a long and successful carrier. Who
knows, you may end up working for them.
"Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "William Bray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I love this metaphor.
> > JD Powers, as anyone can tell by either walking into their office or
> > checking their website, is a for-profit organization. Any outfit that
> > turns out this stuff always gets kickbacks, either in direct funding or
> > in free commercial support (I gave an example of this). Their reports
> > are highly subjective. You ask for proof and then blindly provide it.
> > I stand by my statement. Their reports are not fully trustworthy- no
> > one's is.
>
> Then why bother with them? Also, I've seen several people make the claim
> that they get paid to rate companies highly, as you have just claimed. Do
> any of you have a source for that claim? It's pretty serious.
>
>
>
> > Is this particular report really about who provides the best service or
> > who has the best public image? I failed to get anything from this
> > report that had anything to do with service. This report was regarding
> > who they thought would have the largest churn when portability kicks in.
> >
> > Millions of people are not, for example, going to flee from Cingular to
> > join Verizon.
> > Who works the most most on their public image? You get one guess. Can
> > you hear me now? I almost rolled out of my chair laughing when I saw
> > that Verizon kept coming out on top when it came to image- What does
> > that have to do with actual service?
> > As for a few choice friends who don't like my credibility- So? I guess
> > I have a very short way to fall. JD Powers is a large corporation
> > which. It is not my interest to tear them down, too much **** would be
> > left to clean up afterwords. I'll stick by my opinion on this one.
> > By the way, US Cellular just got St Louis and Oklahoma for CDMA
> > coverage, so their ratings will go up.
> >
> > "Phill." <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > "Carl." <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell
> > > > vehicles
> > > > > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker
> is
> > > > turned
> > > > > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
> > > > > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
> > > > > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
> > > > > what he designed.
> > >
> > > He who floats, sands.
> > >
> > > Maybe the marketing folks who make the grossly exagerated coverage maps
> > > should explain the holes to the FCC and the FTC; and justify their cell
> > > companies keeping their license.
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
>
[posted via phonescoop.com]
- 10-06-2003, 10:55 PM #59Justin GreenGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
"William Bray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is a simple marketing strategy, not a violation of any law. The
> best way to get your product sold today is to go to JD Powers. If they
> smile at you then you better make sure that the rest of the world knows
> it. Only a fool would ignore making a noise about getting the JD Powers
> seal of approval. This ranks far higher than getting Consumer Reports
> on your side.
> The more folks like and trust the results of JD Powers the more business
> will be brought to them. It is a simple and straight forward marketing
> tactic. I know some cell phone users who hang on every word of certain
> cell phone users. This is not wrong, but it is unrealistic to make your
> every breath rest solely on one person or on organization's claims.
> I do not contest this group's decisions, I simply have a different
> criteria. Are you aware that if we simply went by alt.Sprint we would
> think Sprint is doomed? There are other resources out there. Do your
> own research.
> As for the proof of my claim it is in the pudding itself. Open your
> eyes and enjoy what you see. It is up to you what spin you want to
> attach to what is there in plain sight.
> Someone suggested that I was annoyed that JD Powers did not vote in a
> way that I liked. Nonsense, the service provider I use still ranks very
> high up there, just not for the reasons given in this report. JD is a
> voice for public influence. It is not public influence in and of
> itself. Do not give them credit they don't deserve. We are the public,
> they are an agency. May they have a long and successful carrier. Who
> knows, you may end up working for them.
All I'm asking is that you back up your claims. I'm an open minded
individual and will read what you post, but honestly, between you and JD
Powers, I'll take JD Powers' word.
If you post a story or two that support your claims, I'll be open to
changing my mind.
- 10-07-2003, 11:02 AM #60Mr TGuest
Re: JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers
Who cares if Sprint's last? Maybe you do, being that you're obsessed
with Sprint. I don't care.
"Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "Phill." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mr T)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I didn't say anything about a study. It must take some "REAL" research
> > > to list all the carriers in Alphabetical order on the left of the page
> > > and put a couple of them to the right of the page and say these are the
> > > best. That survey is a heap of crap unless they go into DETAILS.
> >
> >
> > They lose their competitive edge if they completely lay out how they do
> > their survey. Sorry it ain't gonna happen. The rest of the world (except
> > SprintPCS apologists) accept the independent unbiased result that
> > Sprint's Customer Service is dead last.
> >
> > Except now someone in the Sprint forum will ask "How come they're also
> > questioning the study in the Verizon forum", ignoring the fact its the
> > same "IN TOTAL DENIAL" SprintPCS apologists. Even SprintPCS' president
> > Lauer has said there's a problem with Customer Service.
>
>
> Not too mention Mr. T apparently didn't see the list that had Sprint rates
> as LAST.
>
>
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