GAIT Questions

John wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>You'll still see Cingular Extend when you're on one of their Nation
>>>>plans. You'll just never see roaming, that's all.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I saw "Cingular Extend" for the first time today. It is still a free
>>
> call?
>
>>That depends on your plan. For my Preferred Nation plan, yes.
>>
>
> I have "Cingular Nation". My understanding is that all calls simply count
> against my 500 minutes. The map indicates that I either have service under
> the plan, or there is no service. So, I don't understand why it shows
> "extend". Is that just an artifact from other plans?
>
> I have an email into the sales rep at Cingular about this, but I am not
> holding my breath; and I am certainly not bothering to call customer
> disservice.
> Thanks.

As I was told, Cingular Extend refers to areas where you will be charged
the roaming rate if applicable (on either Super Home, statewide, or
Preferred Nation plans). However, when roaming in North Dakota, I am
using the Western Wireless (Cellular One [West}) network. The TDMA came
up with the "Cingular" banner, but the AMPS came up with "Cingular
Extend". This is a very rural area, and I am either on WW or Verizon
(which never seems to happen here). I have always wondered why the AMPS
comes up Extend but the TDMA does not, especially when they have the
same SID.

I'm going to call Cingular on Monday (since I worked all day, I couldn't
today) and ask about my banner. On my Moto C331t I have "Cingular" as
teh banner for Home Tag, Partner Tag, and Favored Tag. I have "Cingular
Extend" as the banner for Neutral Tag. I'm guessing the 6340i and T62u
have a similar setting (which is hopefully stored on the SIM)?

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> The Nokia 6340i "Field Test" screens 01-01 through 01-13 give you some
> hints on GSM operation. The 21-01 through 21-09 will be familiar if you've
> used a Nokia TDMA phone before. 21-01 will show what band you are on, and
> a channel number. The 01-01 shows a GSM channel number (wider channels)
> that I don't yet know enough to interpret.
>
> I really am starting to believe that your account's ESN field is either
> blank or incorrect. If you see this in time, call Cingular before the
> 1800 CDT Saturday closing. Or perhaps after-hours support at 866-802-2922.
>
> Since you're in TDMA territory, ESN is everything. Pick one phone of the
> two, and stay with it. In GSM territory, you can readily switch SIMs.
>
> John C.
>
>

Thanks for the info. Is there a way to tell on the T62u that you know
of? Around midnight every night I pick up a GSM signal, but it has all
dimined by 1:00. On Cingular's GSM Nation map, I am in an areas that is
estimated "By the end of 2003". That's what I'm really curious about,
whether or not I am actually picking up GSM signal that is testing, or
whether it's a fluke. When I try calling, nothing happens. Then it
goes to TDMA for a few minutes, but then back to GSM.

AD

JRW wrote:
> About Dakota wrote:
>
>> That makes sense to what I understand. My phone number is based in
>> Orlando, FL, a GSM market, so maybe the rep didn't realize how that
>> might affect me on a TDMA/AMPS systems with no access to GSM.
>
>
> That puts another twist to my concern about upgrading with Cingular
> as I've posted elsewhere. Does that mean that if I have a Nokia 6340i
> with GSM and TDMA (purchased in the Dallas market), it may not work
> in some areas that are TDMA only?
>
>
>
>

No, it works in areas with TDMA only. I was hoping that I could switch
the SIM and have all funcionality. However, TDMA requires the ESN of
the phone for authentication, so I would have to call to Cingular and
switch everytime for TDMA/AMPS use. I can switch put my SIM into any
GSM phone and use it. I get better coverage roaming here than the
actual customers of the local company get. It's kind of nice.

AD

About Dakota wrote:
>> The Nokia 6340i "Field Test" screens 01-01 through 01-13 give you some
>> hints on GSM operation. The 21-01 through 21-09 will be familiar if
>> you've
>> used a Nokia TDMA phone before. 21-01 will show what band you are on, and
>> a channel number. The 01-01 shows a GSM channel number (wider channels)
>> that I don't yet know enough to interpret.
>>
>> I really am starting to believe that your account's ESN field is either
>> blank or incorrect. If you see this in time, call Cingular before the
>> 1800 CDT Saturday closing. Or perhaps after-hours support at
>> 866-802-2922.
>>
>> Since you're in TDMA territory, ESN is everything. Pick one phone of the
>> two, and stay with it. In GSM territory, you can readily switch SIMs.
>>
>> John C.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for the info. Is there a way to tell on the T62u that you know
> of? Around midnight every night I pick up a GSM signal, but it has all
> dimined by 1:00. On Cingular's GSM Nation map, I am in an areas that is
> estimated "By the end of 2003". That's what I'm really curious about,
> whether or not I am actually picking up GSM signal that is testing, or
> whether it's a fluke. When I try calling, nothing happens. Then it
> goes to TDMA for a few minutes, but then back to GSM.
>
> AD
>

Oh, I forgot to mention that when the GSM icon is active, the banner
still says "Cingular Extend".

AD

About Dakota wrote:

> No, it works in areas with TDMA only. I was hoping that I could switch
> the SIM and have all funcionality. However, TDMA requires the ESN of
> the phone for authentication, so I would have to call to Cingular and
> switch everytime for TDMA/AMPS use.

So if you travled back and forth from a GSM are into a TDMA area you
had to call Cingular to authenticate your phone each time you changed
areas? That could mean several calls a day to CS!

Since I live just inside a GSM area and would drive outside that
area into a TDMA area, I would be calling them at least five or
six times a day. That's absurd!

How do you get the 6340i to display a GSM icon? I can't tell whether I'm on
an analog network, TDMA or GSM!!

Roy & Sherry Sheetz wrote:
> How do you get the 6340i to display a GSM icon? I can't tell whether I'm on
> an analog network, TDMA or GSM!!
>
>


Why do you need to know which network you're using?

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About Dakota wrote:
>
>
> JRW wrote:
>
>> About Dakota wrote:
>>
>>> That makes sense to what I understand. My phone number is based in
>>> Orlando, FL, a GSM market, so maybe the rep didn't realize how that
>>> might affect me on a TDMA/AMPS systems with no access to GSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> That puts another twist to my concern about upgrading with Cingular
>> as I've posted elsewhere. Does that mean that if I have a Nokia 6340i
>> with GSM and TDMA (purchased in the Dallas market), it may not work
>> in some areas that are TDMA only?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> No, it works in areas with TDMA only. I was hoping that I could switch
> the SIM and have all funcionality. However, TDMA requires the ESN of
> the phone for authentication, so I would have to call to Cingular and
> switch everytime for TDMA/AMPS use. I can switch put my SIM into any
> GSM phone and use it. I get better coverage roaming here than the
> actual customers of the local company get. It's kind of nice.
>
> AD
>

No. You can travel from a GSM area to a TDMA area. I'm saying that I
can't use the 6340i with TDMA, and swap the SIM to use the T62u for
TDMA. I can use the T62u for GSM however.

Use this chart for reference. My SIM was activated in the Nokia 6340i.
TDMA needs to know the ESN of the phone. TDMA is not interested in
the information on the SIM. GSM does not need to know the ESN of the
phone. GSM is interested in the information on the SIM.

Nokia 6340i SE T62u
GAIT Phone 1 GAIT Phone 2

GSM 1900 GSM 1900
GSM 850 GSM 850
TDMA 1900 Not Available
TDMA 800 Not Available
AMPS 800 Not Available

The GAIT phones will work on GSM, TDMA, or AMPS without changes on your
part. I would only have to call Cingular because I would want to be
swiching *phones* running on TDMA on a regular basis.

I hope this clears the confusion.

AD

John C posted this on this thread.

AD

Roy & Sherry Sheetz wrote:
> How do you get the 6340i to display a GSM icon? I can't tell whether I'm on
> an analog network, TDMA or GSM!!
>
>


The Nokia 6340i "Field Test" screens 01-01 through 01-13 give you some
hints on GSM operation. The 21-01 through 21-09 will be familiar if you've
used a Nokia TDMA phone before. 21-01 will show what band you are on, and
a channel number. The 01-01 shows a GSM channel number (wider channels)
that I don't yet know enough to interpret.

I really am starting to believe that your account's ESN field is either
blank or incorrect. If you see this in time, call Cingular before the
1800 CDT Saturday closing. Or perhaps after-hours support at 866-802-2922.

Since you're in TDMA territory, ESN is everything. Pick one phone of the
two, and stay with it. In GSM territory, you can readily switch SIMs.

John C.

About Dakota wrote:
> The GAIT phones will work on GSM, TDMA, or AMPS without changes on your
> part. I would only have to call Cingular because I would want to be
> swiching *phones* running on TDMA on a regular basis.

Oh...ok, that clears that up. You were SWITCHING PHONES.

On 2003-10-26, About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Nokia 6340i "Field Test" screens

and where does one find them?

Scott Brim wrote:
> On 2003-10-26, About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The Nokia 6340i "Field Test" screens
>
>
> and where does one find them?

Go to Menu, then Field Test (it's the last one). Then you can input the
number of the test screen you want. You can make and receive calls
while in this mode (at least I have been able to). When you want to
cancel out of this mode, go backto Field Test in the menu, and enter
"0000". I do not know how to interpret the results displayed on the screen.

AD

"Scott Brim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2003-10-26, About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The Nokia 6340i "Field Test" screens
>
> and where does one find them?

Enter *3001#12345#, then turn the 6340i off. When it is turned on
again, the Field Test screens will be on. The Menu will also have
a Field Test item--if cleared (blanked), the screens will be off
and the Menu item will remain. Repeat *3001#12345# and turn off
and on to remove the Field Test menu.

John C.

>How do you get the 6340i to display a GSM icon? I can't tell whether I'm on
>an analog network, TDMA or GSM!!

I don't think that there is anything on the display.

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"About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The only unusual thing I am noticing so far is that this area
> >>is showing "Cingular Extend" when it should be displaying "Cingular"
> >>(I'm on the Preferred Nation).
> >
> >
> > You'll still see Cingular Extend when you're on one of their Nation
> > plans. You'll just never see roaming, that's all.
> >
> > Sounds like you were out of your home area, AND out of a Cingular-owned
> > area. You were on a separate system that Cingular is leasing time from,
> > so you didn't have access to Cingular-specific features.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Is there any easy way for me to take the SIM out of the 6340i and put it
> >>into the T62u so I could immediately use it? I was under the impression
> >>from customer care that I could take the SIM out and put it into the
> >>other phone with no problem. Should I be able to do that, or do I have
> >>to call Cingular every time I leave town to have it switched?
> >
> >
> > No. The SIM *is* you. Put it in the Sony and turn it on. Voila.
> >
>
> That's what I had thought. However, when I switch the SIM and turn it
> on, I am unable to make or receive calls on the Sony. I guess it must
> have to do with the fact that I'm roaming on a TDMA/AMPS system?
>
> AD
>

The SIM is transferable, but the T62U and 6340i also have ESN's for TDMA and
AMPS areas. If they ESN doesn't get switched, the phone won't work. I don't
care what you've heard, GAIT phones require an ESN change to work when on
TDMA...period. I've even had people that have been assigned a TDMA channel
in the local area, had the wrong ESN and got the recording, "We do not
recognize your number as an authorized user"

Mark


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