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- 12-02-2003, 09:04 PM #16John NavasGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 22 Nov 2003
16:02:06 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>... AT&T and Sprint are predicted to be the biggest losers from
>number portability.
Funny how you change your tune:
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From: "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular
Subject: Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:12:17 GMT
Actually, all the predictions are that Verizon and T-Moble will be
the big winners. I.e. see:
"http://taipeitimes.com/News/bizfocus/archives/2003/08/31/2003066000"
Winners: Verizon and T-Mobile
Losers: Cingular, AT&T Wireless, Sprint PCS, Nextel
This is just one of many similar predictions.
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- 12-02-2003, 09:05 PM #17John NavasGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:38:31
GMT, "[email protected]" <Michelle Johnson> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:02:06 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Bill Roland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:6pCvb.3241$Ac3.784@lakeread01...
>>> I just can't see the Fed's allowing an AT&T Wireless/Cingular
>>> merger/aquisition.
>>
>>The feds will do whatever big business wants, as long as there are still at
>>least two competitors.
>>
>The "feds" also broke up AT&T back in '84. They wont allow a merger
>between Cingular and AT&T, it would destroy T-Mobile.
The "feds" don't care about T-Mobile -- it's not domestic.
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- 12-02-2003, 09:28 PM #18Bill RolandGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
doesn't care about what they are doing? Let me answer that one for you:
wrong.
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 23 Nov 2003
23:38:31
> GMT, "[email protected]" <Michelle Johnson> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:02:06 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>"Bill Roland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:6pCvb.3241$Ac3.784@lakeread01...
> >>> I just can't see the Fed's allowing an AT&T Wireless/Cingular
> >>> merger/aquisition.
> >>
> >>The feds will do whatever big business wants, as long as there are still
at
> >>least two competitors.
> >>
> >The "feds" also broke up AT&T back in '84. They wont allow a merger
> >between Cingular and AT&T, it would destroy T-Mobile.
>
> The "feds" don't care about T-Mobile -- it's not domestic.
>
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- 12-03-2003, 03:51 AM #19Patrick BosleyGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 22 Nov 2003
> 16:02:06 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >... AT&T and Sprint are predicted to be the biggest losers from
> >number portability.
>
> Funny how you change your tune:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]>
> Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular
> Subject: Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:12:17 GMT
>
> Actually, all the predictions are that Verizon and T-Moble will be
> the big winners. I.e. see:
>
> "http://taipeitimes.com/News/bizfocus/archives/2003/08/31/2003066000"
>
> Winners: Verizon and T-Mobile
> Losers: Cingular, AT&T Wireless, Sprint PCS, Nextel
>
> This is just one of many similar predictions.
>
> ...
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
Looks like they agree to me. One lists all losers, the other the B I G
losers. Sorry Cingular is listed as loser, can't you handle the truth?
Maybe not, since with your FAQs, you have a vested interest in Cingular.
- 12-04-2003, 12:32 PM #20WAWGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
I think that if anything happens, it will be a Cingular/AT&T Wireless
deal. Here's what I see AT&T Wireless doing to make themselves
attractive (off the top of my head):
-Dropping their IT Payroll down to almost zilch. Brings up the
profitability.
-Selling off all overseas stakes in other providers. Ditto.
-Recent focus in financials on profitability. They've moved from
"here's how many new people we're getting" to "here's how much we're
making per subscriber".
I also found it interesting that Rogers in Canada will be dropping the
"AT&T" from their name, again some time in mid '04.
Finally, I think it would be easier to work around NTT's 16% stake in
AWE than D. Telekom's hold on TMobile.
"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Is it TMOBILE? Is it ATTWS? This is gonna be FUN!!
>
> Cingular Wireless has gotten approval from its parent companies SBC
> Communications and BellSouth to acquire another leading U.S. carrier. The
> news means Cingular could acquire one of its rivals by as early as next
> year. It has also sparked the latest round of "guess which carriers will
> merge". Insiders are betting that Cingular will make a bid for either AT&T
> Wireless or T-Mobile. T-Mobile's parent, Deutsche Telekom, has denied recent
> merger rumors, saying it is dedicated to its U.S. operation. Most insiders
> are currently betting on a Cingular/AT&T Wireless merger. Such a move would
> create a North American GSM carrier with more than 40 million subscribers.
>
> SOURCE : Businessweek Online (Subscription
> Required)http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.htm...d3r5,gvx7,5kmr
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>
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- 12-04-2003, 02:01 PM #21John NavasGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 03 Dec
2003 09:51:22 GMT, Patrick Bosley <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 22 Nov 2003
>> 16:02:06 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >... AT&T and Sprint are predicted to be the biggest losers from
>> >number portability.
>>
>> Funny how you change your tune:
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]>
>> Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular
>> Subject: Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:12:17 GMT
>>
>> Actually, all the predictions are that Verizon and T-Moble will be
>> the big winners. I.e. see:
>>
>> "http://taipeitimes.com/News/bizfocus/archives/2003/08/31/2003066000"
>>
>> Winners: Verizon and T-Mobile
>> Losers: Cingular, AT&T Wireless, Sprint PCS, Nextel
>>
>> This is just one of many similar predictions.
>>
>> ...
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Looks like they agree to me. One lists all losers, the other the B I G
>losers.
Perhaps you need to clean your glasses. Steven used to crow that Cingular
would be the big lower under WNP, but now it's ATTWS first, and Sprint second.
>Sorry Cingular is listed as loser, can't you handle the truth?
I can "handle" whatever the "truth" proves to be, which of course is still
unknown.
>Maybe not, since with your FAQs, you have a vested interest in Cingular.
No more than in Sprint PCS or for that matter any other product or service
I cover.
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- 12-04-2003, 03:50 PM #22James TullinGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 03 Dec
> 2003 09:51:22 GMT, Patrick Bosley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 22 Nov
> >> 2003
> >> 16:02:06 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >... AT&T and Sprint are predicted to be the biggest losers from
> >> >number portability.
> >>
> >> Funny how you change your tune:
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]>
> >> Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular
> >> Subject: Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> >> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 06:12:17 GMT
> >>
> >> Actually, all the predictions are that Verizon and T-Moble will be
> >> the big winners. I.e. see:
> >>
> >> "http://taipeitimes.com/News/bizfocus/archives/2003/08/31/2003066000"
> >>
> >> Winners: Verizon and T-Mobile
> >> Losers: Cingular, AT&T Wireless, Sprint PCS, Nextel
> >>
> >> This is just one of many similar predictions.
> >>
> >> ...
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >Looks like they agree to me. One lists all losers, the other the B I G
> >losers.
>
> Perhaps you need to clean your glasses. Steven used to crow that
> Cingular
> would be the big lower under WNP, but now it's ATTWS first, and Sprint
> second.
>
> >Sorry Cingular is listed as loser, can't you handle the truth?
Mr. Navas - Since we all now agree that Cingular will be a loser,
why don't you restrict this to the Cingular news group in
the future?
- 12-04-2003, 05:36 PM #23John NavasGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 04 Dec
2003 21:50:51 GMT, James Tullin <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Perhaps you need to clean your glasses. Steven used to crow that
>> Cingular
>> would be the big lower under WNP, but now it's ATTWS first, and Sprint
>> second.
>Mr. Navas - Since we all now agree that Cingular will be a loser,
> why don't you restrict this to the Cingular news group in
> the future?
1. We don't all now agree.
2. I think it's relevant to the other newsgroups.
[cross-posting restored]
Of course, as always, YMMV.
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- 12-04-2003, 06:06 PM #24James TullinGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 04 Dec
> 2003 21:50:51 GMT, James Tullin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Perhaps you need to clean your glasses. Steven used to crow that
> >> Cingular
> >> would be the big lower under WNP, but now it's ATTWS first, and Sprint
> >> second.
>
> >Mr. Navas - Since we all now agree that Cingular will be a loser,
> > why don't you restrict this to the Cingular news group in
> > the future?
>
> 1. We don't all now agree.
>
> 2. I think it's relevant to the other newsgroups.
> [cross-posting restored]
>
> Of course, as always, YMMV.
Cross posting removed, bur cross plonking added.
- 12-04-2003, 06:28 PM #25John NavasGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 05 Dec
2003 00:06:40 GMT, James Tullin <[email protected]> wrote:
>Cross posting removed, bur cross plonking added.
I'm crushed.
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- 12-04-2003, 10:54 PM #26Cyrus AfzaliGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:57:45 GMT, Melee <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4 Dec 2003 10:32:24 -0800, [email protected] (WAW) wrote:
>
>>I think that if anything happens, it will be a Cingular/AT&T Wireless
>>deal. Here's what I see AT&T Wireless doing to make themselves
>>attractive (off the top of my head):
>>
>>-Dropping their IT Payroll down to almost zilch. Brings up the
>>profitability.
>>-Selling off all overseas stakes in other providers. Ditto.
>>-Recent focus in financials on profitability. They've moved from
>>"here's how many new people we're getting" to "here's how much we're
>>making per subscriber".
>>
>>I also found it interesting that Rogers in Canada will be dropping the
>>"AT&T" from their name, again some time in mid '04.
>>
>>Finally, I think it would be easier to work around NTT's 16% stake in
>>AWE than D. Telekom's hold on TMobile.
>
>The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
>destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
>will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.
Not really. The government doesn't use technology to determine a
monopoly. The fact is there are seven nationwide cellular carriers.
The technology they use is irrelevant and with seven there's no way a
consolidation of two would be considered a monopoly.
If the government allowed Comcast to swallow up AT&T Broadband,
there's no way in hell they'd stop amerger of Cingular and AT&T
Wireless. Cable modem users rarely have a choice in terms of
ISPs/cable providers. Contrast that to cell service which has the most
options of any consumer telecommunications service around.
- 12-04-2003, 10:57 PM #27MeleeGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
On 4 Dec 2003 10:32:24 -0800, [email protected] (WAW) wrote:
>I think that if anything happens, it will be a Cingular/AT&T Wireless
>deal. Here's what I see AT&T Wireless doing to make themselves
>attractive (off the top of my head):
>
>-Dropping their IT Payroll down to almost zilch. Brings up the
>profitability.
>-Selling off all overseas stakes in other providers. Ditto.
>-Recent focus in financials on profitability. They've moved from
>"here's how many new people we're getting" to "here's how much we're
>making per subscriber".
>
>I also found it interesting that Rogers in Canada will be dropping the
>"AT&T" from their name, again some time in mid '04.
>
>Finally, I think it would be easier to work around NTT's 16% stake in
>AWE than D. Telekom's hold on TMobile.
The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.
- 12-05-2003, 06:07 AM #28James TullinGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
In article <[email protected]>,
Melee <[email protected]> wrote:
> The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
> destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
> will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.
You forget. It's Republicans running the FTC now. Most consumers don't
care whether their phone is GSM or CDMA or TDMA or iDEN. They just want
good coverage ad no surprises on their bill, and an 800 # with folks
that are friendly and helpful.
- 12-05-2003, 09:37 AM #29Steven M. ScharfGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
"Patrick Bosley" <[email protected]> wrote in message newsBosley-
> Looks like they agree to me. One lists all losers, the other the B I G
> losers. Sorry Cingular is listed as loser, can't you handle the truth?
> Maybe not, since with your FAQs, you have a vested interest in Cingular.
These were not my predictions of the winners and losers, they came from
analysts. Different analysts predicted different results. All of the
analysts predicted that Verizon would be the big winner, and T-Mobile would
also gain. Where they differ is in the extent of the losses of the losers,
Cingular, Sprint, AT&T, and Nextel.
- 12-05-2003, 09:59 AM #30James TullinGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
In article <[email protected]>,
"Steven M. Scharf" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Patrick Bosley" <[email protected]> wrote in message newsBosley-
>
> > Looks like they agree to me. One lists all losers, the other the B I G
> > losers. Sorry Cingular is listed as loser, can't you handle the truth?
> > Maybe not, since with your FAQs, you have a vested interest in Cingular.
>
> These were not my predictions of the winners and losers, they came from
> analysts. Different analysts predicted different results. All of the
> analysts predicted that Verizon would be the big winner, and T-Mobile would
> also gain. Where they differ is in the extent of the losses of the losers,
> Cingular, Sprint, AT&T, and Nextel.
The figures are starting to trickle in.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...293&e=5&u=/was
hpost/20031205/tc_washpost/a36853_2003dec4
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