Verizon in Florida

N9WOS wrote:
>>I went by both a Cingular location and a Verizon one today here in NC.
>
> The
>
>>Cingular location was deserted while the Verizon one was booming. I will
>
> bet
>
>>it is all those disgruntled Cingular customers porting their numbers to
>>Verizon. Face it, at least in the Carolinas, Cingular's coverage area is
>>very limited compared to Verizon and Alltel (Cingular's is mostly in big
>>cities and along major highways- get several miles away from a highway in
>>the country and you might as well be carrying a brick- Verizon and Alltel
>>are much better), customers complain repeatedly of big holes even in
>>Cingular's markets, dropped calls, horrible customer service, etc. If you
>>are in the Carolinas, either go with VZW or Alltel, both great choices.
>>Stay away from Cingular.
>
>
> I have to agree, it is a good idea to stay away from a carrier that
> only has 1.9Ghz coverage in your area.
>
> Same reason I stay away from ATT in my area.
> They only have PCS coverage
>
> Same reason someone should stay away from cingular
> in California. They only have PCS coverage.
>
> Same reason someone should stay away from verizon
> in Florida. They only have PCS coverage.
>
> Same reason why anyone should stay away from sprint PCS.
>
> Now that I think about it, I wonder how verizon is fairing in Florida.
> I don't think they will be doing a brisk business around there. :-P
> Anyone that does switch to verizon down there will probably be
> real pissed off when they find what they got themselves into.
> Oww......well.... I guess I will see some more "Verizon sucks"
> websites coming in the near future. :-)


I do have to agree with you about Verizon in Florida. I chose Cingular
because Verizon Wireless, even as a cellular-B carrier in the Dakotas,
is terrible there. My friend who was moving to West Virginia was not
interested in Verizon, but I persuaded her to take it, since her area of
West Virginia was covered with America's Choice (notice I say WAS).

Cingular's Preferred Nation has spotty coverage in WV, and the only
other carrier that she had access to was a Cellular One carrier, and we
know about Cellular One, don't we? So, after choosing Verizon, coverage
in Florida was mediocre. Signal wasn't that great, there were many dead
zones, and calls were dropped frequently.

My Cingular phone worked flawlessly. Only on a few occasions did I
experience any problems. One annoying thing is when I would dial *89 to
check my voicemail and get a message from AT&T Wireless. I'd rather
roam onto AT&T when my Cingular signal becomes unusable than have no
service, so that's not a valid gripe.

When in certain areas around the Walt Disney World Resort, I would have
limited service, and if I had a call in that area, it might drop. Of
course bing inside a concrete tunnel doesn't help -- most outside area
was wonderful for service.

However, after choosing Verizon Wireless, she became utterly
disappointed. To read more about Verizon's America's Choice digital
coverage loss, follow this link:
http://cell.uoregon.edu/loss_questionmark/ .

Anyhow, this change in coverage took effect while she was in West
Virginia, still under contract (with 9 months on a 12 month contract
left). She wrote a letter to VZW stating that she had moved back to
West Virginia, and to have all billing information changed.

She noted in the letter that because VZW was not a local carrier, she
could not have her number changed to a local one. A reply from VZW
noted that her number could not be changed, and they thanked her again
for choosing Verizon Wireless.

Then came Verizon's America's Choice coverage loss in WV. Because WV
only requires one party consent to record telephone calls, and she had a
reply from that letter to Verizon to prove that VZW was aware of her
change in residence, she was covered without any doubts.

She called and asked to be let out of her contract because free roam
coverage was dropped without prior notice to her. When she was denied,
she took a recoding of that phone call, a copy of the letter to VZW, a
copy of the reply, and a copy of her contract and filed a compalint with
the WV Attorney's General Office, with the complaint that Verizon
Wireless was not only knowingly providing unlicensed service to a WV
resident, but was also not living up to contract terms that were
previously agreed upon.

She then sent all of the above material, along with a copy of the
complaint with the State of WV to VZW, via certified mail. VZW was more
than happy to let her out of the contract with no ETF, credit all
roaming charges received in WV, and even give her the portion last month
free as "courtesy credit".

America's Largest and Most Reliable Wireless Network, eh? A carrier's
real performance is actually based upon your prior expectations of the
carrier. I have had great luck with Cingular. I have had terrible luck
with Verizon (if you think fringe areas are bad, try living on the
Canadian border west of the great lakes). Of course, I had a Cellular
One company prior, so my expectations were not high. I had the
expecations of "America's Largest and Most Reliable Wireless Netork" to
be as crappy as they are in the upper Midwest.

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>n in Floridahttp://webx25.nwa.com/cgi-bin/pager.pro.
>
>She called and asked to be let out of her contract because free roam
>coverage was dropped without prior notice to her. When she was denied,
>she took a recoding of that phone call, a copy of the letter to VZW, a
>copy of the reply, and a copy of her contract and filed a compalint with
>the WV Attorney's General Office, with the complaint that Verizon
>Wireless was not only knowingly providing unlicensed service to a WV
>resident, but was also not living up to contract terms that were
>previously agreed upon.
>
>She then sent all of the above material, along with a copy of the
>complaint with the State of WV to VZW, via certified mail. VZW was more
>than happy to let her out of the contract with no ETF, credit all
>roaming charges received in WV, and even give her the portion last month
>free as "courtesy credit".
>
WOOHOO! Without a great deal of text or negativity, I just want to applaud
that last entry's content. Verizon lied to me, tried to withhold money that was
mine, for calls I never made. I was with them once, got burned and went back
again, thinking, "Well, maybe things have changed..." I signed back up with
them, having been told that I would not be roaming in a particular area on my
plan. Took MY OLD VZ PHONE, which they reactivated, down to the area in
question and that sob started roaming almost immediately. I went back to the
store, remembering that I had 24 hrs or something like that to cancel my
contract with no penalty, and they cancelled me alright...and STUCK ME WITH A
$35.00 ACTIVATION FEE, which I received in the mail. I went through all the
usual "Verizon actions": letters, phone calls etc, until 3 months later they
finally erased the charge from my "account". I will NEVER do business with that
bunch of lying sob's again, period. I love Cingular...they're not perfect, but
so far, they're a damn sight better than VZ. They haven't lied to me or tried
to mislead me at all, and in this morally barren land, that's not doing too
bad.


Aaron Worley

I understand Verizon quality is not good in FLA due to much of it there
being 1900 MHz, like Sprint. Pick a carrier with 800MHz there and you will
probably fare better. Is Alltel an 800MHz provider there? If so you might
look into them as they are a very good operator.
"Aaron Worley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >n in Floridahttp://webx25.nwa.com/cgi-bin/pager.pro.
> >
> >She called and asked to be let out of her contract because free roam
> >coverage was dropped without prior notice to her. When she was denied,
> >she took a recoding of that phone call, a copy of the letter to VZW, a
> >copy of the reply, and a copy of her contract and filed a compalint with
> >the WV Attorney's General Office, with the complaint that Verizon
> >Wireless was not only knowingly providing unlicensed service to a WV
> >resident, but was also not living up to contract terms that were
> >previously agreed upon.
> >
> >She then sent all of the above material, along with a copy of the
> >complaint with the State of WV to VZW, via certified mail. VZW was more
> >than happy to let her out of the contract with no ETF, credit all
> >roaming charges received in WV, and even give her the portion last month
> >free as "courtesy credit".
> >
> WOOHOO! Without a great deal of text or negativity, I just want to
applaud
> that last entry's content. Verizon lied to me, tried to withhold money
that was
> mine, for calls I never made. I was with them once, got burned and went
back
> again, thinking, "Well, maybe things have changed..." I signed back up
with
> them, having been told that I would not be roaming in a particular area on
my
> plan. Took MY OLD VZ PHONE, which they reactivated, down to the area in
> question and that sob started roaming almost immediately. I went back to
the
> store, remembering that I had 24 hrs or something like that to cancel my
> contract with no penalty, and they cancelled me alright...and STUCK ME
WITH A
> $35.00 ACTIVATION FEE, which I received in the mail. I went through all
the
> usual "Verizon actions": letters, phone calls etc, until 3 months later
they
> finally erased the charge from my "account". I will NEVER do business with
that
> bunch of lying sob's again, period. I love Cingular...they're not perfect,
but
> so far, they're a damn sight better than VZ. They haven't lied to me or
tried
> to mislead me at all, and in this morally barren land, that's not doing
too
> bad.
>
>
> Aaron Worley

"Trimodeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I understand Verizon quality is not good in FLA due to much of it there
> being 1900 MHz, like Sprint. Pick a carrier with 800MHz there and you
will
> probably fare better. Is Alltel an 800MHz provider there? If so you might
> look into them as they are a very good operator.

Alltel provides 800Mhz service on the west side of Florida.
That's why people visiting Florida think that Verizon has good coverage
there.
They are roaming on Alltel.

But the people that live there have to live with verizon's 1.9Ghz coverage.
They can't roam on Alltel.

> "Trimodeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I understand Verizon quality is not good in FLA due to much of it there
> > being 1900 MHz, like Sprint. Pick a carrier with 800MHz there and you
> will
> > probably fare better. Is Alltel an 800MHz provider there? If so you
might
> > look into them as they are a very good operator.

I've got an Alltel and a VZW number in the Tampa area. Both are
generally good, but the VZW one has a weak signal at my home. These are both
T720 phones, so, in theory at least, the phone is not the variable. Alltel
is often a problem making a call during the afternoon drive time. There are
fairly frequent no lines available messages, especially mobile to mobile to
my wife. At the CSR's suggestion, I updated her PRL and she said it got
worse, so they may have blanked out a VZW or Sprint tower or two that she
was hitting driving from St. Pete to east of Tampa. Her phone is an Alltel
StarTac 7868.

VZW seems to do better during drive time.


--
Thomas M. Goethe

Hello all

This is a very true Fact Verizon in FL is real bad.. I was a beta
tester for them for 3 months.. They did not like me telling them
service is poor.. Cingular is 100% better by far

Verizon is 1900 in FL its the old Primco system Sprint is 1900 to
The PCS band is real poor in general.. Cingular is 850 GSM now and its
still great.. There still working out some small bugs.. Verizon has
lots of 1900 markets where service is real poor.. Stay with Cingular

From steve

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:55:35 GMT, "Trimodeman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I understand Verizon quality is not good in FLA due to much of it there
>being 1900 MHz, like Sprint. Pick a carrier with 800MHz there and you will
>probably fare better. Is Alltel an 800MHz provider there? If so you might
>look into them as they are a very good operator.
>"Aaron Worley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >n in Floridahttp://webx25.nwa.com/cgi-bin/pager.pro.
>> >
>> >She called and asked to be let out of her contract because free roam
>> >coverage was dropped without prior notice to her. When she was denied,
>> >she took a recoding of that phone call, a copy of the letter to VZW, a
>> >copy of the reply, and a copy of her contract and filed a compalint with
>> >the WV Attorney's General Office, with the complaint that Verizon
>> >Wireless was not only knowingly providing unlicensed service to a WV
>> >resident, but was also not living up to contract terms that were
>> >previously agreed upon.
>> >
>> >She then sent all of the above material, along with a copy of the
>> >complaint with the State of WV to VZW, via certified mail. VZW was more
>> >than happy to let her out of the contract with no ETF, credit all
>> >roaming charges received in WV, and even give her the portion last month
>> >free as "courtesy credit".
>> >
>> WOOHOO! Without a great deal of text or negativity, I just want to
>applaud
>> that last entry's content. Verizon lied to me, tried to withhold money
>that was
>> mine, for calls I never made. I was with them once, got burned and went
>back
>> again, thinking, "Well, maybe things have changed..." I signed back up
>with
>> them, having been told that I would not be roaming in a particular area on
>my
>> plan. Took MY OLD VZ PHONE, which they reactivated, down to the area in
>> question and that sob started roaming almost immediately. I went back to
>the
>> store, remembering that I had 24 hrs or something like that to cancel my
>> contract with no penalty, and they cancelled me alright...and STUCK ME
>WITH A
>> $35.00 ACTIVATION FEE, which I received in the mail. I went through all
>the
>> usual "Verizon actions": letters, phone calls etc, until 3 months later
>they
>> finally erased the charge from my "account". I will NEVER do business with
>that
>> bunch of lying sob's again, period. I love Cingular...they're not perfect,
>but
>> so far, they're a damn sight better than VZ. They haven't lied to me or
>tried
>> to mislead me at all, and in this morally barren land, that's not doing
>too
>> bad.
>>
>>
>> Aaron Worley
>

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"N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Alltel provides 800Mhz service on the west side of Florida.
> That's why people visiting Florida think that Verizon has good coverage
> there.
> They are roaming on Alltel.
>
> But the people that live there have to live with verizon's 1.9Ghz coverage.
> They can't roam on Alltel.

Why not? Are you suggesting that FL customers receive a different PRL
than customers in other states? I highly doubt that.

On 12/1/03 9:06 AM, in article
[email protected], "N9WOS"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>> Alltel provides 800Mhz service on the west side of Florida.
>>> That's why people visiting Florida think that Verizon has good coverage
>>> there.
>>> They are roaming on Alltel.
>>>
>>> But the people that live there have to live with verizon's 1.9Ghz
> coverage.
>>> They can't roam on Alltel.
>>
>> Why not? Are you suggesting that FL customers receive a different PRL
>> than customers in other states? I highly doubt that.
>
> Normally local plans will be more restrictive.
> Everyone doesn't have America's choice.
> But I looked at the verizon web page and I see
> that they seem to allow you to use Alltel on
> the local plan.
> I guess they do it's because of the pathetic
> verizon coverage in Florida.
>
> All right............ Your win on that one........:-P
>
>

I am in Central Florida, and I got Altel when I recently downloaded the
current PRL...before that it was not in my PRL so the addition is rather
recent.

On 12/1/03 10:09 AM, in article BBF0C3EF.29204%[email protected],
"Roy" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 12/1/03 9:06 AM, in article
> [email protected], "N9WOS"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> Alltel provides 800Mhz service on the west side of Florida.
>>>> That's why people visiting Florida think that Verizon has good coverage
>>>> there.
>>>> They are roaming on Alltel.
>>>>
>>>> But the people that live there have to live with verizon's 1.9Ghz
>> coverage.
>>>> They can't roam on Alltel.
>>>
>>> Why not? Are you suggesting that FL customers receive a different PRL
>>> than customers in other states? I highly doubt that.
>>
>> Normally local plans will be more restrictive.
>> Everyone doesn't have America's choice.
>> But I looked at the verizon web page and I see
>> that they seem to allow you to use Alltel on
>> the local plan.
>> I guess they do it's because of the pathetic
>> verizon coverage in Florida.
>>
>> All right............ Your win on that one........:-P
>>
>>
>
> I am in Central Florida, and I got Altel when I recently downloaded the
> current PRL...before that it was not in my PRL so the addition is rather
> recent.
>

Oops, I was in my last posting thinking of the recent addition of SPCS to my
PRL, not Altell. I have the additional digital roaming capability in
Orlando, and Altel is not in Orlando.

I live on the West Coast of FLA and use Verizon AC. I have no problems with
my coverage... Rarely do I "Extended Network" or lose 1x signal...

Just my 2 cents..

Matt


"Roy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BBF0C4EE.29207%[email protected]...
> On 12/1/03 10:09 AM, in article BBF0C3EF.29204%[email protected],
> "Roy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 12/1/03 9:06 AM, in article
> > [email protected], "N9WOS"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>>> Alltel provides 800Mhz service on the west side of Florida.
> >>>> That's why people visiting Florida think that Verizon has good
coverage
> >>>> there.
> >>>> They are roaming on Alltel.
> >>>>
> >>>> But the people that live there have to live with verizon's 1.9Ghz
> >> coverage.
> >>>> They can't roam on Alltel.
> >>>
> >>> Why not? Are you suggesting that FL customers receive a different PRL
> >>> than customers in other states? I highly doubt that.
> >>
> >> Normally local plans will be more restrictive.
> >> Everyone doesn't have America's choice.
> >> But I looked at the verizon web page and I see
> >> that they seem to allow you to use Alltel on
> >> the local plan.
> >> I guess they do it's because of the pathetic
> >> verizon coverage in Florida.
> >>
> >> All right............ Your win on that one........:-P
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I am in Central Florida, and I got Altel when I recently downloaded the
> > current PRL...before that it was not in my PRL so the addition is rather
> > recent.
> >
>
> Oops, I was in my last posting thinking of the recent addition of SPCS to
my
> PRL, not Altell. I have the additional digital roaming capability in
> Orlando, and Altel is not in Orlando.
>

"N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Alltel provides 800Mhz service on the west side of Florida.
> That's why people visiting Florida think that Verizon has good coverage
> there.
> They are roaming on Alltel.
>
> But the people that live there have to live with verizon's 1.9Ghz coverage.
> They can't roam on Alltel.

Wait...

VZW customers have equal or higher priority on Alltel than on VZW?

Justalurker's PRL 50013:

Priority 1:
04192 PCS -- Verizon Wireless - Fort Myers/Naples/Orlando/Tampa FL
SCAN 425B 150A 600B 675B 375D 1025C
....
Priority 2:
00042 D/A FR AllTel Communications
022B Tampa-St. Petersburg FL
114B Lakeland-Winter Haven FL
164B Fort Myers FL Counties - Lee
167B Sarasota FL
211B Bradenton FL
360B Florida 1 - Collier
361B Florida 2 - Glades
362B Florida 3 - Hardee
363B Florida 4 - Citrus
370B Florida 11 - Monroe


VZW's PCS is Priority 1, home network, while Alltel's B-side is
Priority 2, free roam. I think that you'd have PCS coverage before
B-side and only drop to Alltel's free roam on the B-side when there's
no PCS coverage present.

Right?

BTW, it's similar for my area. VZW is on A-side and Alltel's on
B-side. It's free roam on Alltel for me on AC. No mention of Sprint
PCS in the PRL, though (PCS #3).

*Michael Notforyou*

FACTS ABOUT VERIZON:

VERIZON has excellent coverage on the West Coast of Florida in the old
GTE Mobilenet coverage area, however, where they acquired PrimeCo
networks the coverage SUCKS!

Years ago I lived in Tampa where the coverage was excellent. I even
worked for GTE Mobilenet when they launched their vaunted CDMA
network.

Then I moved to Utah and traveled the country and Verizon worked
great. However, when I moved to Miami, I could not place a call from
my house and I live 1 block off U.S. 1 in a HEAVILY populated part of
Miami-Dade County!

When I called Verizon they gave me a trouble ticket and some arrogant
S.O.B. from Verizon's technical department called me from the Tampa
office and explained they don't guarantee service everywhere and that
the contract I signed in Utah was in full force and effect in Florida,
but they "didn't guarantee the service would work in Miami when I
signed it, only in Utah."

Then he gave me a lot of double-talk about how his personal phone will
let him still make calls when there is no signal bar present. He
acted as if I was imagining the whole thing and I am the only one with
the problem. But he did slip by saying Miami was a Primeco
acquisition for Verizon and that network isn't as reliable as the GTE
Mobilenet CDMA network.

Anyways . . .

What kind of crap is that? The contract is valid and enforceable in
Florida but service is not?

So I am stuck with a $170 early termination for two lines.

It's not like I am living in the middle of Iowa. I am in MIAMI - a
major U.S. city and the service simply doesn't work on my street and I
am 1 block off a major artery.

Verizon's response and treatment of a ten year customer was and is
UNCONSCIONABLE! I will most likely go to small claims court and try
to get a judgment equal to the amount of the early termination fees.
At that time I will pay for the balance of my airtime that I owe on my
last bill!

AT&T's GSM network leaves a lot to be desired too, but time should
ameliorate that problem. And AT&T treats their customers just as
poorly.

I bought a Sony Ericsson t68 for $249 when they first came out - which
is a legendary problem phone. Sony replaced the phone three times and
AT&T stopped selling them. Their solution? "Too bad! Extend your
contract and we'll give you another phone for $50."

Yeah, right. AT&T knowlingly and willingly sells defective phones and
their solution is to turn you over to the phone manufacturer who in
turn keeps replacing the defective phone with a new defective phone.

When you go back to AT&T they say, "Too bad. Extend your contract."

Want to change your rate plan with AT&T? You lose all the promotion
(nights & weekends) benefits unless you EXTEND YOUR CONTRACT again.

I tell you what, when my contract with AT&T expires I am going to
Cingular and go for ROLLOVER.

I will NEVER, EVER buy a phone with a contract again. Why? Because
they screw you coming and going. Do the math. You save nothing by
getting the phone at a bargain rate.

The best bet is to go to ebay and buy an UNLOCKED phone that will work
on TMOBILE, AT&T and CINGULAR for the discounted retail price and then
you can change carriers whenever you want.

Is it true Cingular doesn't require a contract? If so, SIGN ME UP!

And those ROLLOVER minutes from CINGULAR are sounding better by the
minute.

On a rate plan with Verizon and AT&T you lose EVERY WAY. Didn't use
your minutes? You're not getting what you paid for. Used more than
your rate plan allowance? You're paying an EXORBITANT premium for
going over your plan.

When a cellular company gets smart and starts offering flat rate plans
for power users whose usage fluctuates, and NO CONTRACTS, expect a
following of customers and minimum churn.

In my experience, cell customers will tolerate reception and coverage
inadequacies, however, they will not tolerate POOR customer service
and being treated with callous indifference!

I am a future CINGULAR customer!

Also, maybe one of the geniuses in the marketing department will
figure out the best way to get customers in the wake of Number
Portability will be to offer to PAY FOR YOUR EARLY TERMINATION fees if
you switch to their carrier.

And you can do it without paying $1 out of pocket - simply apply a
credit equal to the termination fee to the new service bill. Of
course the customer has ALL the responsibility for providing proof of
the termination fee within X number of weeks/months.

I read it costs $340 to get a new cell service subscriber but a LOT
LESS to keep the customers you have, therefore, marketing money is
being spent on retuention or minimizing churn.

The game has changed and all the major carriers are in collusion on
pricing and policies. And all this is done to minimize churn.

Sooner or later one of the major carriers is going to get weak and
they are either going to be acquired by one of the other majors, or
they will make a calculated gamble to grab market share using a
product mix that consists of novel rate plans and policies that will
engender loyalty.

Take the lid off Cingular! Sell unlocked phones! Be honest with your
customers and they will reward you with loyalty. You're heading in
the right direction with ROLLOVER and NO CONTRACTS. Go the remaining
mile and break away from the dirty tricks of AT&T and Verizon.

What about rate plans that are fair and easy and provide discounts
based on volume just like any other normal business? This concept
can't be difficult - it's an age-old marketing standard and people
have come to expect it over the years.

Here, you plug in the numbers - change them as you wish but you get
the idea:

< 200 minutes = $0.30/minute
200 - 500 minutes = $0.27
500 - 1000 minutes = $0.25
1000 - 1500 minutes = $0.20
> 1500 minutes = $0.15






"Matt J. Britt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I live on the West Coast of FLA and use Verizon AC. I have no problems with
> my coverage... Rarely do I "Extended Network" or lose 1x signal...
>
> Just my 2 cents..
>
> Matt
>
>
> "Roy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:BBF0C4EE.29207%[email protected]...
> > On 12/1/03 10:09 AM, in article BBF0C3EF.29204%[email protected],
> > "Roy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/1/03 9:06 AM, in article
> > > [email protected], "N9WOS"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>>> Alltel provides 800Mhz service on the west side of Florida.
> > >>>> That's why people visiting Florida think that Verizon has good
> coverage
> > >>>> there.
> > >>>> They are roaming on Alltel.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But the people that live there have to live with verizon's 1.9Ghz
> coverage.
> > >>>> They can't roam on Alltel.
> > >>>
> > >>> Why not? Are you suggesting that FL customers receive a different PRL
> > >>> than customers in other states? I highly doubt that.
> > >>
> > >> Normally local plans will be more restrictive.
> > >> Everyone doesn't have America's choice.
> > >> But I looked at the verizon web page and I see
> > >> that they seem to allow you to use Alltel on
> > >> the local plan.
> > >> I guess they do it's because of the pathetic
> > >> verizon coverage in Florida.
> > >>
> > >> All right............ Your win on that one........:-P
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I am in Central Florida, and I got Altel when I recently downloaded the
> > > current PRL...before that it was not in my PRL so the addition is rather
> > > recent.
> > >
> >
> > Oops, I was in my last posting thinking of the recent addition of SPCS to
> my
> > PRL, not Altell. I have the additional digital roaming capability in
> > Orlando, and Altel is not in Orlando.
> >

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:04:13 -0800, Matapalo wrote:

> FACTS ABOUT VERIZON:
>
> VERIZON has excellent coverage on the West Coast of Florida in the old
> GTE Mobilenet coverage area, however, where they acquired PrimeCo
> networks the coverage SUCKS!

Correcting your "facts":

Verizon does not operate the old GTE Mobilnet network in the Tampa area.
That network was taken over by Alltel. The area of Florida Verizon
currently serves with its former PrimeCo network largely overlaps Alltel's
coverage area. Within Florida, Verizon provides essentially the same
geographical coverage with either the Local or AC plan, and it is very
complete. They accomplish this via their free roaming agreements with
other CDMA carriers in the area. If you have a proper PRL and are in an
area where the ex-PrimeCo network is unavailable, you will still obtain
plan service (from Alltel, Sprint, U.S. Cellular, even ATT AMPS). I've
yet to find a dead or pay-roaming spot. If there are some, it means that
NO CDMA or AMPS provider is available in that area.

sarah wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:04:13 -0800, Matapalo wrote:
>
>
>>FACTS ABOUT VERIZON:
>>
>>VERIZON has excellent coverage on the West Coast of Florida in the old
>>GTE Mobilenet coverage area, however, where they acquired PrimeCo
>>networks the coverage SUCKS!
>
>
> Correcting your "facts":
>
> Verizon does not operate the old GTE Mobilnet network in the Tampa area.
> That network was taken over by Alltel. The area of Florida Verizon
> currently serves with its former PrimeCo network largely overlaps Alltel's
> coverage area. Within Florida, Verizon provides essentially the same
> geographical coverage with either the Local or AC plan, and it is very
> complete. They accomplish this via their free roaming agreements with
> other CDMA carriers in the area. If you have a proper PRL and are in an
> area where the ex-PrimeCo network is unavailable, you will still obtain
> plan service (from Alltel, Sprint, U.S. Cellular, even ATT AMPS). I've
> yet to find a dead or pay-roaming spot. If there are some, it means that
> NO CDMA or AMPS provider is available in that area.

When you find a pay-roaming spot in Florida, who operates the nework?
Since no CDMA or AMPS provider is available in that area, I would have
to assume you were *allowed* to roam on Cingular or T-Mobile (although
technology prevents that from happening, and Cingular is also an AMPS
carrier in Florida, so it wouldn't be available).

There are plenty of pay-roaming areas in Florida. In fact, there are
plenty of pay-roaming areas in Orlando (ask anyone who works for Disney
and has Verizon about the roaming charges in Florida, and they will tell
you).

==AD

When I was in Orlando this summer I only hit a roaming area once. That was a
literal one foot square area in Downtown Disney. What areas of Orlando are
roam? Is it getting worse?
Thanks!
Susan
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> There are plenty of pay-roaming areas in Florida. In fact, there are
> plenty of pay-roaming areas in Orlando (ask anyone who works for Disney
> and has Verizon about the roaming charges in Florida, and they will tell
> you).
>
> ==AD
>