BellSouth To Divest of Cingular Interest?

It may sound crazy, but I think you will see BellSouth divest of its
interest in Cingular to SBC, and buy Sprint PCS.

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> It may sound crazy, but I think you will see BellSouth divest of its
> interest in Cingular to SBC, and buy Sprint PCS.
>
>
That would be one of the stupidest things they could ever do.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:28:47 GMT, "RichardMNixon, Jr."
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It may sound crazy, but I think you will see BellSouth divest of its
>interest in Cingular to SBC, and buy Sprint PCS.
>

It does sound crazy. Not as crazy as RIMM's (Research in Motion) stock
price right now, but that's another story.

That is stupid.


"RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It may sound crazy, but I think you will see BellSouth divest of its
> interest in Cingular to SBC, and buy Sprint PCS.
>
>

"RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It may sound crazy, but I think you will see BellSouth divest of its
> interest in Cingular to SBC, and buy Sprint PCS.

The only way I can think of for this to happen is for BellSouth to buy
Sprint FON (long distance), and to get Sprint PCS as well. They don't have
separate stock yet, do they? BLS has walked away from T again.

BellSouth International does run some CDMA in South America.

John C.

If they did that it would go a long way toward explaining some of the
decisions made since the "merger". (doh!)

Mark

"RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It may sound crazy, but I think you will see BellSouth divest of its
> interest in Cingular to SBC, and buy Sprint PCS.
>
>


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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:16:52 -0500, "danny" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>That is stupid.

ob AOL: me too
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>"RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> It may sound crazy, but I think you will see BellSouth divest of its
>> interest in Cingular to SBC, and buy Sprint PCS.
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BellSouth is supposedly unhappy in Cingular, it being dominated by SBC.
Plus, let's face it- GSM just does not have the coverage in the US. Even
though Sprint's coverage is as bad as Cingular's (i.e., mostly along majort
highways and in cities), the CDMA of Sprint would give BellSouth many more
choices for other carriers for roaming agreements.


"Mark W. Oots" <mark_ctc@(delete this)ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If they did that it would go a long way toward explaining some of the
> decisions made since the "merger". (doh!)
>
> Mark
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> "RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > It may sound crazy, but I think you will see BellSouth divest of its
> > interest in Cingular to SBC, and buy Sprint PCS.
> >
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:51:10 GMT, "RichardMNixon, Jr."
<[email protected]> wrote:

>BellSouth is supposedly unhappy in Cingular, it being dominated by SBC.
>Plus, let's face it- GSM just does not have the coverage in the US. Even
>though Sprint's coverage is as bad as Cingular's (i.e., mostly along majort
>highways and in cities), the CDMA of Sprint would give BellSouth many more
>choices for other carriers for roaming agreements.

And just how are you privy to this information? Why is it that this
information is not in any press or other release from anyone? If you
have a source please state it. Otherwise you are just rumormongering.

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Bell South started off as a minority partner, I can't imagine how they could
have imagined it otherwise.

From a nationwide perspective, Cingular's coverage is about the same as
Verizon's....both are fully matured 850 MHz carriers. Cingular is both 1900
and 850, many GSM phones will swap bands as the situation requires. Sprint
was a 1900 MHz-only "PCS" carrier, their coverage was mostly urban areas and
highways. Since Sprint's FCC license doesn't allow them to run in the 850
band, they will never match Verizon or Cingular for coverage. Ditto for
T-Mobile, which was probably a factor in their decision to go to war with
Cingular recently in the NY market (very stupid executive decision-Cingular
could easily buy T-Mob, axe the naughty and gain more TDMA/GSM licensing
spectrum in the process).

Cingular's running GSM on both 1900 and overflows to 850, so without knowing
what band the poster's calls "set up" on he won't have an accurate picture
of coverage.

Local coverage may vary somewhat from tower locations, controlled largely by
terrain, subscriber density and zoning.

Joseph wrote in message <[email protected]>...
>On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:51:10 GMT, "RichardMNixon, Jr."
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>BellSouth is supposedly unhappy in Cingular, it being dominated by SBC.
>>Plus, let's face it- GSM just does not have the coverage in the US. Even
>>though Sprint's coverage is as bad as Cingular's (i.e., mostly along
majort
>>highways and in cities), the CDMA of Sprint would give BellSouth many more
>>choices for other carriers for roaming agreements.
>
>And just how are you privy to this information? Why is it that this
>information is not in any press or other release from anyone? If you
>have a source please state it. Otherwise you are just rumormongering.
>
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1. Minority partner going in- People go in with great expectations. "Marry
in haste, regret at leisure."

2. Cingular network equivalent to Verizon- You have got to be kidding. A
Cingular phone might as well be a brick in large parts of the country.
Verizon's network and coverage is infinitely superior to Cingular's.


"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Bell South started off as a minority partner, I can't imagine how they
could
> have imagined it otherwise.
>
> From a nationwide perspective, Cingular's coverage is about the same as
> Verizon's....both are fully matured 850 MHz carriers. Cingular is both
1900
> and 850, many GSM phones will swap bands as the situation requires. Sprint
> was a 1900 MHz-only "PCS" carrier, their coverage was mostly urban areas
and
> highways. Since Sprint's FCC license doesn't allow them to run in the 850
> band, they will never match Verizon or Cingular for coverage. Ditto for
> T-Mobile, which was probably a factor in their decision to go to war with
> Cingular recently in the NY market (very stupid executive
decision-Cingular
> could easily buy T-Mob, axe the naughty and gain more TDMA/GSM licensing
> spectrum in the process).
>
> Cingular's running GSM on both 1900 and overflows to 850, so without
knowing
> what band the poster's calls "set up" on he won't have an accurate picture
> of coverage.
>
> Local coverage may vary somewhat from tower locations, controlled largely
by
> terrain, subscriber density and zoning.
>
> Joseph wrote in message <[email protected]>...
> >On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:51:10 GMT, "RichardMNixon, Jr."
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>BellSouth is supposedly unhappy in Cingular, it being dominated by SBC.
> >>Plus, let's face it- GSM just does not have the coverage in the US.
Even
> >>though Sprint's coverage is as bad as Cingular's (i.e., mostly along
> majort
> >>highways and in cities), the CDMA of Sprint would give BellSouth many
more
> >>choices for other carriers for roaming agreements.
> >
> >And just how are you privy to this information? Why is it that this
> >information is not in any press or other release from anyone? If you
> >have a source please state it. Otherwise you are just rumormongering.
> >
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>2. Cingular network equivalent to Verizon- You have got to be kidding. A
>Cingular phone might as well be a brick in large parts of the country.
>Verizon's network and coverage is infinitely superior to Cingular's.

You have a point -- Cingular is actually a little better. Verizon has the
same equipement they've been strapped with since the early 90's, Cingular
had to revamp & standardized when they went public around 2000. That's a big
reason why Verizon suffers from call latency problems.

If you get in an objective mood, do a little research where Cingular came
from. It's a consolidation of nearly all the "A" band 850 carriers
nationwide. Also, there are online coverage charts. See for yourself. No
carrier covers 100% of the continental US.

Sorry Dickie, I have a Nokia 6340i on a Nation (GAIT) Plan and have
service all over the country in my 18-wheeler as shown on the GAIT
nation map:

http://onlinestore.cingular.com/html..._map_11_03.htm

Just so you know, I have been in a number of truckstops around the
country and I've heard on the CB: "Anybody have service on their
Verizon pnone?". Every time they ask, I have good service on my 6340i
(whether it is Cingular or a roaming partner). As to GSM-only phones,
they are bricks just like T-Mobile phones if you get off the beaten
path.

Chris
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"RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> 1. Minority partner going in- People go in with great expectations. "Marry
> in haste, regret at leisure."
>
> 2. Cingular network equivalent to Verizon- You have got to be kidding. A
> Cingular phone might as well be a brick in large parts of the country.
> Verizon's network and coverage is infinitely superior to Cingular's.

Oh, I know no carrier covers the entire U.S. But Cingular's coverage is
much weaker than Verizon. As to your claim about call latency and equipment
being "older" for Verizon, all you have to do is look at consumer
satisfaction surveys and look at problems with dropped calls, busy networks,
etc. and Verizon is far better than Cingular in most areas of the country.
I had Cingular in the Carolinas in its GSM variety and suffered repeatedly
throughout the region from dropped calls and busy networks. I have only
once, literally, had this problem with Verizon, and I have used it all over
the country. As to the cellular spectrum Cingular has that you refer to
so, so what? So does Verizon have 850MHz spectrum, along with 1900 MHz PCS
spectrum. I do, however, agree that 850MHz is generally preferable due to
its better ability to penetrate buildings.

As to GSM technology that Cingular has, versus the CDMA of Verizon, I know
many devotees on both sides can eloquently argue for one or the other.
However, I personally believe CDMA is superior and provides the best upgrade
path for carriers in the future to true 3G. It is no mystery that many GSM
carriers are going to wCDMA to meet the 3G challenge. One advantage,
though, of GSM is that the standards mean different makers of equipment can
all work. This is a weakness of CDMA- if you have Lucent equipment, for
example, you are stuck with it, giving you less bargaining clout as the
wireless provider in trying to get the best price.

My criticism of both Cingular, Verizon and most other carriers is the same-
poor coverage in rural areas. If you get an analog signal it is next to
useless on a small wattage digital phone- meant only for the bag phones of
yesterday. The one carrier that really seems to shine in rural areas is
Alltel.


"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> >2. Cingular network equivalent to Verizon- You have got to be kidding. A
> >Cingular phone might as well be a brick in large parts of the country.
> >Verizon's network and coverage is infinitely superior to Cingular's.
>
> You have a point -- Cingular is actually a little better. Verizon has the
> same equipement they've been strapped with since the early 90's, Cingular
> had to revamp & standardized when they went public around 2000. That's a
big
> reason why Verizon suffers from call latency problems.
>
> If you get in an objective mood, do a little research where Cingular came
> from. It's a consolidation of nearly all the "A" band 850 carriers
> nationwide. Also, there are online coverage charts. See for yourself. No
> carrier covers 100% of the continental US.
>
>

"RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I had Cingular in the Carolinas in its GSM variety and suffered repeatedly
> throughout the region from dropped calls and busy networks. I have only
> once, literally, had this problem with Verizon, and I have used it all over
> the country.

You are comparing an infant Cingular GSM system with a mature Verizon
800/1900 CDMA system. I have no doubt which system would come out
better.


As to the cellular spectrum Cingular has that you refer to
> so, so what? So does Verizon have 850MHz spectrum, along with 1900 MHz PCS
> spectrum. I do, however, agree that 850MHz is generally preferable due to
> its better ability to penetrate buildings.
>
> As to GSM technology that Cingular has, versus the CDMA of Verizon, I know
> many devotees on both sides can eloquently argue for one or the other.
> However, I personally believe CDMA is superior and provides the best upgrade
> path for carriers in the future to true 3G. It is no mystery that many GSM
> carriers are going to wCDMA to meet the 3G challenge. One advantage,
> though, of GSM is that the standards mean different makers of equipment can
> all work. This is a weakness of CDMA- if you have Lucent equipment, for
> example, you are stuck with it, giving you less bargaining clout as the
> wireless provider in trying to get the best price.
>
> My criticism of both Cingular, Verizon and most other carriers is the same-
> poor coverage in rural areas. If you get an analog signal it is next to
> useless on a small wattage digital phone- meant only for the bag phones of
> yesterday. The one carrier that really seems to shine in rural areas is
> Alltel.