Two phone numbers, different carriers, same phone?

In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <[email protected]> wrote:
> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD

Absolutely, completely wrong. My Kyocera 2325 can handle this, the Nokias
can (at least I'm assuming the 3589 can; earlier Nokia phones carried by
Verizon can), and there have been several popular phones in the past that
Verizon carried that will handle more than one number.

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In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <[email protected]> wrote:
> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD

Absolutely, completely wrong. My Kyocera 2325 can handle this, the Nokias
can (at least I'm assuming the 3589 can; earlier Nokia phones carried by
Verizon can), and there have been several popular phones in the past that
Verizon carried that will handle more than one number.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:52:20 -0500, Steven J Sobol
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <[email protected]> wrote:
>> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>
>Absolutely, completely wrong. My Kyocera 2325 can handle this, the Nokias
>can (at least I'm assuming the 3589 can; earlier Nokia phones carried by
>Verizon can), and there have been several popular phones in the past that
>Verizon carried that will handle more than one number.

It's possible to activate more than one NAM but it is not possible to
have both numbers running at once on the same phone.

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Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:52:20 -0500, Steven J Sobol
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>>
>>Absolutely, completely wrong. My Kyocera 2325 can handle this, the Nokias
>>can (at least I'm assuming the 3589 can; earlier Nokia phones carried by
>>Verizon can), and there have been several popular phones in the past that
>>Verizon carried that will handle more than one number.

>It's possible to activate more than one NAM but it is not possible to
>have both numbers running at once on the same phone.

Is it forbidden by international treaty, or is it just that no one makes
such a phone?

Surely there's no technical reason why someone couldn't make a phone
with two complete sets of circuits, including two EINs.

I wouldn't expect there would be much demand for such phones.



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Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:52:20 -0500, Steven J Sobol
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>>
>>Absolutely, completely wrong. My Kyocera 2325 can handle this, the Nokias
>>can (at least I'm assuming the 3589 can; earlier Nokia phones carried by
>>Verizon can), and there have been several popular phones in the past that
>>Verizon carried that will handle more than one number.

>It's possible to activate more than one NAM but it is not possible to
>have both numbers running at once on the same phone.

Is it forbidden by international treaty, or is it just that no one makes
such a phone?

Surely there's no technical reason why someone couldn't make a phone
with two complete sets of circuits, including two EINs.

I wouldn't expect there would be much demand for such phones.



==
Jack Hamilton
[email protected]

==
In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted comfort and security.
And in the end, they lost it all - freedom, comfort and security.
Edward Gibbons

I use a prepay Canadian service and Verizon both on my same
phone..works great! I just use NAM1 for Verizon and NAM2 for the
prepay. PDA Man better get his info right before he makes such
definite statements.

"No Phone will Do this, PERIOD" WRONG!! "Almost any phone will do
this!"



Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <[email protected]> wrote:
> > No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>
> Absolutely, completely wrong. My Kyocera 2325 can handle this, the Nokias
> can (at least I'm assuming the 3589 can; earlier Nokia phones carried by
> Verizon can), and there have been several popular phones in the past that
> Verizon carried that will handle more than one number.

I use a prepay Canadian service and Verizon both on my same
phone..works great! I just use NAM1 for Verizon and NAM2 for the
prepay. PDA Man better get his info right before he makes such
definite statements.

"No Phone will Do this, PERIOD" WRONG!! "Almost any phone will do
this!"



Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <[email protected]> wrote:
> > No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>
> Absolutely, completely wrong. My Kyocera 2325 can handle this, the Nokias
> can (at least I'm assuming the 3589 can; earlier Nokia phones carried by
> Verizon can), and there have been several popular phones in the past that
> Verizon carried that will handle more than one number.

The dr offers: Yes. This is exactly why some phones have dual-nam
capability. Absolutely standard what you are asking to do.

Setup nam1 with the carrier of your choice, setup nam 2 with the carrier of
your choice. We've assumed that the phone technology is compatible with
each provider, and also your comfortable that the namX that you've selected
will ring your phone, and the namX that isn't active will go unanswered.

I've done this many times, and with StarTAC's. Before there were national
contracts, I'd have a local number on the west coast, and another local
number on the east coast. And depending on where I was, I'd setup one phone
number to call forward, and the other I'd pick up. It was very confusing at
times, and most phones have this dual nam capability.
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"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>
>
> "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have service with a Canadian carrier. I am often in the US. At such
> > times, I would like to use Verizon prepaid which I evaluated will be
> > much more cost effective than hefty roaming charges. Verizon, as you
> > probably know, have no issues with activating foreign ESNs. The
> > StarTAC 7868W phone I have is compatible with both carriers for the
> > basic if not all functions.
> >
> > Is it possible to have 2 unique numbers on the same phone with
> > *different* carriers?
> >
> > The manual for the StarTAC says only one number can be active at any
> > time. The manual did not specifiy but I suppose that means if I make
> > the Verizon number active, all incoming calls to my Canadian number
> > will just go unanswered. Are there phones out there (supported by
> > carrier services) that can receive incoming calls to either number and
> > you would be billed accordingly depending on which carrier the dialed
> > number belongs? Basically, I'm trying to avoid carrying around 2
> > phones in the US while being able to answer calls to my Canadian and
> > US numbers.
>
>

The dr offers: Yes. This is exactly why some phones have dual-nam
capability. Absolutely standard what you are asking to do.

Setup nam1 with the carrier of your choice, setup nam 2 with the carrier of
your choice. We've assumed that the phone technology is compatible with
each provider, and also your comfortable that the namX that you've selected
will ring your phone, and the namX that isn't active will go unanswered.

I've done this many times, and with StarTAC's. Before there were national
contracts, I'd have a local number on the west coast, and another local
number on the east coast. And depending on where I was, I'd setup one phone
number to call forward, and the other I'd pick up. It was very confusing at
times, and most phones have this dual nam capability.
--
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Data, wi-fi, national access, smartphones, and home
computer healthchecks, stop worrying... just ask for the Dr.

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you.

"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>
>
> "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have service with a Canadian carrier. I am often in the US. At such
> > times, I would like to use Verizon prepaid which I evaluated will be
> > much more cost effective than hefty roaming charges. Verizon, as you
> > probably know, have no issues with activating foreign ESNs. The
> > StarTAC 7868W phone I have is compatible with both carriers for the
> > basic if not all functions.
> >
> > Is it possible to have 2 unique numbers on the same phone with
> > *different* carriers?
> >
> > The manual for the StarTAC says only one number can be active at any
> > time. The manual did not specifiy but I suppose that means if I make
> > the Verizon number active, all incoming calls to my Canadian number
> > will just go unanswered. Are there phones out there (supported by
> > carrier services) that can receive incoming calls to either number and
> > you would be billed accordingly depending on which carrier the dialed
> > number belongs? Basically, I'm trying to avoid carrying around 2
> > phones in the US while being able to answer calls to my Canadian and
> > US numbers.
>
>

Mr/Mrs PDA Man. May I offer a suggestion? You have recently posted as
"facts", many things that are just wrong. No problem, because those snips
have quickly been corrected by people who have the correct answers. As this
is unmoderated, you are entitled to your opinion.

But, if you don't know, it is okay to guess, but would it be fair to say, "I
think". or "in my opinion", "or I don't really know, but it sounds" People
come to these forums for help and advice. And while it is acceptable to be
wrong, your original posts came across with a sound of authority. Now it
appears (in my opinion) that people may or maynot be taking you serious
anymore. This is my opinion about you verizon or cell phone knowledge,
because you may very well be the smartest person on the planet about PDA's,
hence you have self proclaimed yourself: "the PDA Man". You are aware there
are specific PDA forums that might really take advantage of your PDA
knowledge....

The Dr.

"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>
>
> "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have service with a Canadian carrier. I am often in the US. At such
> > times, I would like to use Verizon prepaid which I evaluated will be
> > much more cost effective than hefty roaming charges. Verizon, as you
> > probably know, have no issues with activating foreign ESNs. The
> > StarTAC 7868W phone I have is compatible with both carriers for the
> > basic if not all functions.
> >
> > Is it possible to have 2 unique numbers on the same phone with
> > *different* carriers?
> >
> > The manual for the StarTAC says only one number can be active at any
> > time. The manual did not specifiy but I suppose that means if I make
> > the Verizon number active, all incoming calls to my Canadian number
> > will just go unanswered. Are there phones out there (supported by
> > carrier services) that can receive incoming calls to either number and
> > you would be billed accordingly depending on which carrier the dialed
> > number belongs? Basically, I'm trying to avoid carrying around 2
> > phones in the US while being able to answer calls to my Canadian and
> > US numbers.
>
>

Mr/Mrs PDA Man. May I offer a suggestion? You have recently posted as
"facts", many things that are just wrong. No problem, because those snips
have quickly been corrected by people who have the correct answers. As this
is unmoderated, you are entitled to your opinion.

But, if you don't know, it is okay to guess, but would it be fair to say, "I
think". or "in my opinion", "or I don't really know, but it sounds" People
come to these forums for help and advice. And while it is acceptable to be
wrong, your original posts came across with a sound of authority. Now it
appears (in my opinion) that people may or maynot be taking you serious
anymore. This is my opinion about you verizon or cell phone knowledge,
because you may very well be the smartest person on the planet about PDA's,
hence you have self proclaimed yourself: "the PDA Man". You are aware there
are specific PDA forums that might really take advantage of your PDA
knowledge....

The Dr.

"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No Phone Will Do this, PERIOD
>
>
> "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have service with a Canadian carrier. I am often in the US. At such
> > times, I would like to use Verizon prepaid which I evaluated will be
> > much more cost effective than hefty roaming charges. Verizon, as you
> > probably know, have no issues with activating foreign ESNs. The
> > StarTAC 7868W phone I have is compatible with both carriers for the
> > basic if not all functions.
> >
> > Is it possible to have 2 unique numbers on the same phone with
> > *different* carriers?
> >
> > The manual for the StarTAC says only one number can be active at any
> > time. The manual did not specifiy but I suppose that means if I make
> > the Verizon number active, all incoming calls to my Canadian number
> > will just go unanswered. Are there phones out there (supported by
> > carrier services) that can receive incoming calls to either number and
> > you would be billed accordingly depending on which carrier the dialed
> > number belongs? Basically, I'm trying to avoid carrying around 2
> > phones in the US while being able to answer calls to my Canadian and
> > US numbers.
>
>

On 16 Apr 2004 20:06:25 -0700, [email protected] (Jason Ludwig)
wrote:

>I use a prepay Canadian service and Verizon both on my same
>phone..works great! I just use NAM1 for Verizon and NAM2 for the
>prepay. PDA Man better get his info right before he makes such
>definite statements.

This is exactly how I want it set up except in reverse, NAM1 my
monthy Canadian service, NAM2 prepay Verizon service for when I am in
the US.

Two questions, to Jason:
1. When the phone is on, can you receive calls when someone calls you
to either NAM1 or NAM2? For example, if you are roaming in Canada,
does your phone ring and can you answer if someone calls your Canadian
number. Then soon after that is finished, can you also receive a call
if someone phones your Verizon number...without you having to adjust
anything?
2. What detremines which number your are using if making outgoing
calls? For example, while in Canada I would imaging you would want to
use the Canadian prepay service. While back home, one would want to
use Verizon.

On 16 Apr 2004 20:06:25 -0700, [email protected] (Jason Ludwig)
wrote:

>I use a prepay Canadian service and Verizon both on my same
>phone..works great! I just use NAM1 for Verizon and NAM2 for the
>prepay. PDA Man better get his info right before he makes such
>definite statements.

This is exactly how I want it set up except in reverse, NAM1 my
monthy Canadian service, NAM2 prepay Verizon service for when I am in
the US.

Two questions, to Jason:
1. When the phone is on, can you receive calls when someone calls you
to either NAM1 or NAM2? For example, if you are roaming in Canada,
does your phone ring and can you answer if someone calls your Canadian
number. Then soon after that is finished, can you also receive a call
if someone phones your Verizon number...without you having to adjust
anything?
2. What detremines which number your are using if making outgoing
calls? For example, while in Canada I would imaging you would want to
use the Canadian prepay service. While back home, one would want to
use Verizon.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:20:10 -0700, T <[email protected]> wrote:

>I can tell you that I had this on my old Verizon dual Nam phone...
>I had one phone number for Los Angeles and the other for Las
>Vegas...Problem is that when you are on one line the other line will
>only receive voice mail if callled...you can't have the phone ring for
>both numbers on at the same time. So you would have to switch back
>and forth to check for voice mail messages...

Yeah, okay...I think I understand how this thing works. Thanks to all
for enlightening me.

As Dr.wireMORE and Quick pointed out, you could get calls to both
numbers ringing on the one phone if you call forward one of those. For
example, if I was in the US, I would keep NAM2 active (the Verizon
one). I would call forward my Canadian cellular number (NAM1 of the
same physical phone) to the Verizon number allowing me to not miss
any calls (THE most important feature I wanted). If I do miss a call
(phone not on, not in service area, or busy), then any calls including
those forwarded from Canada would go into Verizon voice mail such that
I wouldn't have to call my Canadian number to retrieve voicemails.
Call forwarding to Verizon would naturally be suject to the Canadian
LD charges. However, it is considerably less expensive than the
roaming charges to receive a call on the Canadian number. This
solution DOES allow me to carry only one phone around.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 05:14:18 GMT, Richard <[email protected]> chose to add this to
the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:38:58 -0400, "jeff" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Even if you're paying for the long distance, wouldn't that be cheaper than
>>the international roaming charges?!
>
>Exactly why I want to have a Verizon number as the second NAM hence
>the original post.

Then what's the problem? When you cross the border, forward the
Canadian number to the VZW number and switch the phone to NAM 2 and all
calls to either number will come through on that. I don't see where you
need to have both NAMs active at once.

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