Bottom Line...V710...Does this **** work or not?

In article <[email protected]>,
"Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago
> and, to my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth,
> doesn't work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care
> because I thought the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync
> my address book in Outlook with my V710. Nope.

It works with the Mac and iSynch. If it doesn't work with your computer
and software, it's probably not the fault of the phone.

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This is an excellent point, Jon. For my tastes, based on the tone of his
posts, Lawrence is way too emotional and overreactive. It prevents his
thinking from being clear and objective. I believe it also prevents him
from getting what he wants/needs, either out of things or out of people.

Calm down, fella. Take a breath.

"Jon Clark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does LG or Kyocera or Samsung or Sanyo make a CDMA (or GSM) phone sold in
> the U.S. that even includes bluetooth? NO. Does Nokia sell a CDMA phone in
> the US that includes Bluetooth? NO.
>
> Stop comparing apples to oranges.
>
> VZW requested the OBEX profiles in the v710 be turned off to force people
> to use GIN. A pure revenue-driven business decision, which I happen to
> completely disagree with as well. However, they know, as well as most
> other people do, that well over 50%, if not 80% of their customers
> demanding bluetooth wanted it for headset and handsfree use, and that's
> it.
>
> Then, you diverged into the synching the phone with a USB cable. You can't
> wait two months? You don't think the other manufacturers ever lag behind
> in software and accessory support when it comes to new models?
>
> Get over it. It will be along. If you waited this long for the phone, you
> can wait for the software. Let someone else be the beta tester and relax.
>
> If you can't, it really isn't necessary you come here and spout off.
>
> -Jon
>
>
>
> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> So, I have to wait 2 mos. for this crap to work when it should have done
>> all of that in the first place? Geez, what the hell is America coming
>> to? So, did they (Verizon or/and Motorola) cripple the phone on purpose?
>> I've read that here in the group. So, after November I will be able to
>> sync my contacts and schedule into this phone by phone or USB cable?
>>
>> I don't think I can wait. What a bitter taste in my mouth. Guess, I
>> have to go Korean or Japanese (Kyocera). Get a clue American
>> corporations! Don't **** your base.
>>
>> - Lawrence
>>
>>
>> "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> According to Motorola in answer to a question I posted on their site,
>>> the November Phone Tools update will allow Bluetooth or USB retrieval of
>>> pictures and syncing to PC.
>>>
>>> "Regarding your question, the solution consists of a firmware upgrade
>>> that will restore the OBEX profile missing in the V710. Once done this
>>> the V710
>>> will be Bluetooth enabled and you will be able to retrieve the camera
>>> pictures via the Bluetooth link or via a USB connection."
>>>
>>> Gregg Hill
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>>I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and,
>>>>to my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't
>>>>work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought
>>>>the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in
>>>>Outlook with my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in
>>>>India said when I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company
>>>>that makes Mobile Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade
>>>>(I believe it was version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't
>>>>recognize the phone; however, the software can recognize that I have
>>>>plug the USB cable in the computer and phone and attempts to find the
>>>>phone. After that, the program's phone picture interface says,
>>>>"Intializing" but never finds the phone. I click on the option to find
>>>>an upgrade and it did (version 2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again."
>>>>Crap still doesn't recognize the phone.
>>>>
>>>> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or
>>>> is this just crap?
>>>>
>>>> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy
>>>> told me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>>>>
>>>> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
>>>> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he
>>>> was really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he
>>>> will take the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will
>>>> credit me and shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another
>>>> phone (I must also add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact
>>>> the Verizon's and Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is
>>>> a Bluetooth phone with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices
>>>> for headsets, data, etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA
>>>> anywhere at anytime.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
>>>> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American
>>>> this time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky
>>>> Goldstar - ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I
>>>> don't want to support that economy because they don't believe in buying
>>>> **** from anyone else but Korean.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>>>>
>>>> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>>>> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

This is an excellent point, Jon. For my tastes, based on the tone of his
posts, Lawrence is way too emotional and overreactive. It prevents his
thinking from being clear and objective. I believe it also prevents him
from getting what he wants/needs, either out of things or out of people.

Calm down, fella. Take a breath.

"Jon Clark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does LG or Kyocera or Samsung or Sanyo make a CDMA (or GSM) phone sold in
> the U.S. that even includes bluetooth? NO. Does Nokia sell a CDMA phone in
> the US that includes Bluetooth? NO.
>
> Stop comparing apples to oranges.
>
> VZW requested the OBEX profiles in the v710 be turned off to force people
> to use GIN. A pure revenue-driven business decision, which I happen to
> completely disagree with as well. However, they know, as well as most
> other people do, that well over 50%, if not 80% of their customers
> demanding bluetooth wanted it for headset and handsfree use, and that's
> it.
>
> Then, you diverged into the synching the phone with a USB cable. You can't
> wait two months? You don't think the other manufacturers ever lag behind
> in software and accessory support when it comes to new models?
>
> Get over it. It will be along. If you waited this long for the phone, you
> can wait for the software. Let someone else be the beta tester and relax.
>
> If you can't, it really isn't necessary you come here and spout off.
>
> -Jon
>
>
>
> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> So, I have to wait 2 mos. for this crap to work when it should have done
>> all of that in the first place? Geez, what the hell is America coming
>> to? So, did they (Verizon or/and Motorola) cripple the phone on purpose?
>> I've read that here in the group. So, after November I will be able to
>> sync my contacts and schedule into this phone by phone or USB cable?
>>
>> I don't think I can wait. What a bitter taste in my mouth. Guess, I
>> have to go Korean or Japanese (Kyocera). Get a clue American
>> corporations! Don't **** your base.
>>
>> - Lawrence
>>
>>
>> "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> According to Motorola in answer to a question I posted on their site,
>>> the November Phone Tools update will allow Bluetooth or USB retrieval of
>>> pictures and syncing to PC.
>>>
>>> "Regarding your question, the solution consists of a firmware upgrade
>>> that will restore the OBEX profile missing in the V710. Once done this
>>> the V710
>>> will be Bluetooth enabled and you will be able to retrieve the camera
>>> pictures via the Bluetooth link or via a USB connection."
>>>
>>> Gregg Hill
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>>I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and,
>>>>to my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't
>>>>work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought
>>>>the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in
>>>>Outlook with my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in
>>>>India said when I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company
>>>>that makes Mobile Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade
>>>>(I believe it was version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't
>>>>recognize the phone; however, the software can recognize that I have
>>>>plug the USB cable in the computer and phone and attempts to find the
>>>>phone. After that, the program's phone picture interface says,
>>>>"Intializing" but never finds the phone. I click on the option to find
>>>>an upgrade and it did (version 2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again."
>>>>Crap still doesn't recognize the phone.
>>>>
>>>> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or
>>>> is this just crap?
>>>>
>>>> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy
>>>> told me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>>>>
>>>> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
>>>> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he
>>>> was really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he
>>>> will take the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will
>>>> credit me and shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another
>>>> phone (I must also add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact
>>>> the Verizon's and Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is
>>>> a Bluetooth phone with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices
>>>> for headsets, data, etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA
>>>> anywhere at anytime.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
>>>> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American
>>>> this time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky
>>>> Goldstar - ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I
>>>> don't want to support that economy because they don't believe in buying
>>>> **** from anyone else but Korean.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>>>>
>>>> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>>>> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Roger Binns wrote:

> Jon Clark wrote:
>
>>Does LG or Kyocera or Samsung or Sanyo make a CDMA (or GSM) phone
>>sold in the U.S. that even includes bluetooth? NO.
>
>
> The really funny thing is that most of the Qualcomm chipsets they
> all use

I don't believe Motorola uses Qualcomm chipsets. IIRC they've always "rolled
their own."


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Roger Binns wrote:

> Jon Clark wrote:
>
>>Does LG or Kyocera or Samsung or Sanyo make a CDMA (or GSM) phone
>>sold in the U.S. that even includes bluetooth? NO.
>
>
> The really funny thing is that most of the Qualcomm chipsets they
> all use

I don't believe Motorola uses Qualcomm chipsets. IIRC they've always "rolled
their own."


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>Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>makers in Japan. Idiots!
>

My 710 works like a CHARM in my 300c

>Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>makers in Japan. Idiots!
>

My 710 works like a CHARM in my 300c

You apparently knew that the bluetooth was 'crippled' when you got the
phone, so any improvement in that situation is a bonus eh? I knew that MPT
was not fully working with the V710, so I got Verizon wireless Mobile
office kit when I got my V710 and that works fine to synch contacts. I use a
transflash card to transfer pictures, videos, and ringtones back and forth
between the phone and PC. Works great!



"Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So, I have to wait 2 mos. for this crap to work when it should have done
all
> of that in the first place? Geez, what the hell is America coming to?
So,
> did they (Verizon or/and Motorola) cripple the phone on purpose? I've
read
> that here in the group. So, after November I will be able to sync my
> contacts and schedule into this phone by phone or USB cable?

You apparently knew that the bluetooth was 'crippled' when you got the
phone, so any improvement in that situation is a bonus eh? I knew that MPT
was not fully working with the V710, so I got Verizon wireless Mobile
office kit when I got my V710 and that works fine to synch contacts. I use a
transflash card to transfer pictures, videos, and ringtones back and forth
between the phone and PC. Works great!



"Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So, I have to wait 2 mos. for this crap to work when it should have done
all
> of that in the first place? Geez, what the hell is America coming to?
So,
> did they (Verizon or/and Motorola) cripple the phone on purpose? I've
read
> that here in the group. So, after November I will be able to sync my
> contacts and schedule into this phone by phone or USB cable?

"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I don't believe Motorola uses Qualcomm chipsets. IIRC they've always
"rolled
> their own."

You're probably right, since the V710 doesn't have one of those little CDMA
by Qualcomm' stickers on it..:-)


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"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I don't believe Motorola uses Qualcomm chipsets. IIRC they've always
"rolled
> their own."

You're probably right, since the V710 doesn't have one of those little CDMA
by Qualcomm' stickers on it..:-)


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This is why I find Nokia phones superior to any other model/brand out there.
Their software for using with your computer is completely free and works
with Outlook and/or it's own contact list software. Nokia is years ahead of
Motorola with this type of procedure and always has be. Too bad Verizon's
phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...and I have a feeling why.
Because the software is free and Verizon won't get more money from you.

"Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and, to
>my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't work
>as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought the USB
>cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in Outlook with
>my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in India said when
>I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company that makes Mobile
>Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade (I believe it was
>version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't recognize the phone;
>however, the software can recognize that I have plug the USB cable in the
>computer and phone and attempts to find the phone. After that, the
>program's phone picture interface says, "Intializing" but never finds the
>phone. I click on the option to find an upgrade and it did (version
>2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again." Crap still doesn't recognize the
>phone.
>
> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or is
> this just crap?
>
> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy told
> me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>
> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he was
> really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he will take
> the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will credit me and
> shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another phone (I must also
> add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact the Verizon's and
> Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is a Bluetooth phone
> with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices for headsets, data,
> etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA anywhere at anytime.
>
> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American this
> time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky Goldstar -
> ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I don't want to
> support that economy because they don't believe in buying **** from anyone
> else but Korean.
>
> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>
> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>
>
>

This is why I find Nokia phones superior to any other model/brand out there.
Their software for using with your computer is completely free and works
with Outlook and/or it's own contact list software. Nokia is years ahead of
Motorola with this type of procedure and always has be. Too bad Verizon's
phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...and I have a feeling why.
Because the software is free and Verizon won't get more money from you.

"Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and, to
>my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't work
>as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought the USB
>cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in Outlook with
>my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in India said when
>I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company that makes Mobile
>Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade (I believe it was
>version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't recognize the phone;
>however, the software can recognize that I have plug the USB cable in the
>computer and phone and attempts to find the phone. After that, the
>program's phone picture interface says, "Intializing" but never finds the
>phone. I click on the option to find an upgrade and it did (version
>2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again." Crap still doesn't recognize the
>phone.
>
> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or is
> this just crap?
>
> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy told
> me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>
> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he was
> really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he will take
> the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will credit me and
> shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another phone (I must also
> add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact the Verizon's and
> Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is a Bluetooth phone
> with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices for headsets, data,
> etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA anywhere at anytime.
>
> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American this
> time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky Goldstar -
> ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I don't want to
> support that economy because they don't believe in buying **** from anyone
> else but Korean.
>
> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>
> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>
>
>

A Nokia fan...praise the lord!

"Gentleman Caller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
newsO54d.469559$M95.261759@pd7tw1no...
> See, I've heard the same kind of problems with the V600 as well. I have
> NEVER had any problems with Nokia. I'm looking at buying the V600 this
> week but I hear that the problems your having are the same for the V600.
> Oh joy!
>
> Lawrence Frelot wrote:
>
>> I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and, to
>> my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't
>> work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought
>> the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in
>> Outlook with my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in
>> India said when I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company
>> that makes Mobile Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade
>> (I believe it was version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't
>> recognize the phone; however, the software can recognize that I have plug
>> the USB cable in the computer and phone and attempts to find the phone.
>> After that, the program's phone picture interface says, "Intializing" but
>> never finds the phone. I click on the option to find an upgrade and it
>> did (version 2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again." Crap still doesn't
>> recognize the phone.
>>
>> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or is
>> this just crap?
>>
>> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy told
>> me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>>
>> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
>> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he
>> was really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he will
>> take the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will credit me
>> and shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another phone (I must
>> also add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact the Verizon's and
>> Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is a Bluetooth phone
>> with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices for headsets, data,
>> etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA anywhere at anytime.
>>
>> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
>> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American this
>> time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky Goldstar -
>> ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I don't want to
>> support that economy because they don't believe in buying **** from
>> anyone else but Korean.
>>
>> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>>
>> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>>
>>

A Nokia fan...praise the lord!

"Gentleman Caller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
newsO54d.469559$M95.261759@pd7tw1no...
> See, I've heard the same kind of problems with the V600 as well. I have
> NEVER had any problems with Nokia. I'm looking at buying the V600 this
> week but I hear that the problems your having are the same for the V600.
> Oh joy!
>
> Lawrence Frelot wrote:
>
>> I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and, to
>> my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't
>> work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought
>> the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in
>> Outlook with my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in
>> India said when I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company
>> that makes Mobile Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade
>> (I believe it was version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't
>> recognize the phone; however, the software can recognize that I have plug
>> the USB cable in the computer and phone and attempts to find the phone.
>> After that, the program's phone picture interface says, "Intializing" but
>> never finds the phone. I click on the option to find an upgrade and it
>> did (version 2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again." Crap still doesn't
>> recognize the phone.
>>
>> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or is
>> this just crap?
>>
>> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy told
>> me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>>
>> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
>> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he
>> was really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he will
>> take the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will credit me
>> and shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another phone (I must
>> also add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact the Verizon's and
>> Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is a Bluetooth phone
>> with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices for headsets, data,
>> etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA anywhere at anytime.
>>
>> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
>> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American this
>> time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky Goldstar -
>> ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I don't want to
>> support that economy because they don't believe in buying **** from
>> anyone else but Korean.
>>
>> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>>
>> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>>
>>