V3 battery life

Originally Posted by Steve

There's really no such thing as conditioning a Lithium Ion battery. Your
actually conditioning the phone and battery eeproms and processors to
communicate from a zero point to a 100% point. But once it enough.

What is best to do is run down the battery to zero (where phone wont stay
on), keep it in the phone and charge it up until the phone says "charge
complete".

Phones and batteries actually communicate. Battery has an eeprom in it.
And if you don't use the OEM battery, you have no idea what the battery
eeprom is set to.

And don't run a battery down in one phone and charge it in another. Keep the
same phone and battery together. Then the calibration between the two is
kept in sync. (Lithium Ion batteries keep nearly a contant voltage no matter
what the charge state so this communication is important, voltage
measurements are usually inaccurate).

Last point, Bluetooth. Will have a 10% effect on battery life. Phone will
only try to pair when you put it in that mode and it stops after 60 secs.
And the car kit, at least Moto ones, only look for other device when you
press the blue button. So if you don't press it, no one else can hijack it
etc.

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"DevilsPGD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Do you know if they ship the US or if there's a US dealer?
>
> If so, once we hear whether or not they're any good, I'd be willing to
> import a bunch (to save in cross-Atlantic shipping charges) and to
> distribute them from here.
>
> The only catch is that I'm in Canada, so shipping them out will take a
> bit longer for them to arrive in the US.
>
> --
> You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 then just a kind word.

I don't even charge my batteries in the phone...I use my battery only desktop charger.

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In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in about
>a week. I will test one immediately and report the results here. If
>they're any good I'll have 6 or 7 to sell if anybody wants one and will
>get more as needed. Assuming US Customs doesn't take a cut, I'll sell
>them for $19.95 each delivered in the USA or CAN - same as the auction
>price with delivery. They claim 1700ma but even if it's only 1500ma
>that's more than twice the capacity of the OEM version. Older OEM
>batteries are 680ma and newer ones are 710ma (the number is on your
>battery). Therefore, at least in theory, a 1500 or 1700ma battery should
>last at least twice as long.
> Stay tuned!

Sign me up for one, I can either do PayPal or money order...

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OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this
space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at the
address shown by removing the obvious if you want me to contact you
directly.

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> In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in
>> about a week. I will test one immediately and report the results
>> here. If they're any good I'll have 6 or 7 to sell if anybody wants
>> one and will get more as needed. Assuming US Customs doesn't take a
>> cut, I'll sell them for $19.95 each delivered in the USA or CAN -
>> same as the auction price with delivery. They claim 1700ma but even
>> if it's only 1500ma that's more than twice the capacity of the OEM
>> version. Older OEM batteries are 680ma and newer ones are 710ma
>> (the number is on your battery). Therefore, at least in theory, a
>> 1500 or 1700ma battery should last at least twice as long.
>> Stay tuned!
>
> Sign me up for one, I can either do PayPal or money order...
>
> --
> This signature does not exist.

In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this
>space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at the
>address shown by removing the obvious if you want me to contact you
>directly.

My email is valid, drop me a line once you have some news.

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Dale


"BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this
> space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at the
> address shown by removing the obvious if you want me to contact you
> directly.
>
> FromevilsPGD
> [email protected]
>
> > In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in
> >> about a week. I will test one immediately and report the results
> >> here. If they're any good I'll have 6 or 7 to sell if anybody wants
> >> one and will get more as needed. Assuming US Customs doesn't take a
> >> cut, I'll sell them for $19.95 each delivered in the USA or CAN -
> >> same as the auction price with delivery. They claim 1700ma but even
> >> if it's only 1500ma that's more than twice the capacity of the OEM
> >> version. Older OEM batteries are 680ma and newer ones are 710ma
> >> (the number is on your battery). Therefore, at least in theory, a
> >> 1500 or 1700ma battery should last at least twice as long.
> >> Stay tuned!
> >
> > Sign me up for one, I can either do PayPal or money order...
> >
> > --
> > This signature does not exist.
>
>

In article <C%[email protected]>,
Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>There's really no such thing as conditioning a Lithium Ion battery.

Yes there is. That is the reason why LiIon capacity increases after the
initial few charge-discharge cycles. See this from a LiIon battery engineer:


[begin quote]

From: Evgenij Barsukov <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: sci.chem.electrochem.battery
Subject: Re: Charging Li-Ion batteries
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:17:07 -0500
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated

GGreen wrote:
>
> Rumor has it that Li-Ions should be 'conditioned' when new. That
> would entail charging completely, then running to a very low discharge
> point, and cycling through that a couple times. After that initial
> breakin cycle, it's OK to charge the battery at any time.
>
> I've seen that in print several times. Any basis for it?

Actually conditioning (formation of semi-insulating layer on the anode
particles) is done by battery manufacturers. They are required to make
the formation cycle before they ship the cells. Formation is not completely
finished in one charge cycle, so in case of some manufacturers who make only
one formation cycle, cells will still show increased capacity loss during
a comple of additional cycles.

Also, most of new high capacity cells have increased useable capacity loss
during first 10-20 cycles, and then capacity stabilizes. This has similar
reason - still growing insulating layer increases cell impedance which
in turn results in less useable capacity at high (say C/2) loads wich are
common in notebooks, phones and PDAs.

There is no need to deeply discharge the battery for make formation cycle.
Insulating layer will be formed in the natural cause of battery usage (mostly
during charging stage).

Regards,
Evgenij

[end quote]

You are #2 on the list. You'll hear from me as soon as they arrive.

Fromale Mad_Murdock White
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> Hey Sign me up as well. I always like to be the first on the block to
> try something new. Even if they are no better, never hurts to have a
> spare. My e-mail is my handle "mad_murdock" at comcast.net
>
> Dale
>
>
> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this
>> space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at the
>> address shown by removing the obvious if you want me to contact you
>> directly.
>>
>> FromevilsPGD
>> [email protected]
>>
>>> In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in
>>>> about a week. I will test one immediately and report the results
>>>> here. If they're any good I'll have 6 or 7 to sell if anybody
>>>> wants one and will get more as needed. Assuming US Customs doesn't
>>>> take a cut, I'll sell them for $19.95 each delivered in the USA or
>>>> CAN - same as the auction price with delivery. They claim 1700ma
>>>> but even if it's only 1500ma that's more than twice the capacity
>>>> of the OEM version. Older OEM batteries are 680ma and newer ones
>>>> are 710ma (the number is on your battery). Therefore, at least in
>>>> theory, a 1500 or 1700ma battery should last at least twice as
>>>> long.
>>>> Stay tuned!
>>>
>>> Sign me up for one, I can either do PayPal or money order...
>>>
>>> --
>>> This signature does not exist.

Just curious, is the a 1700 or anything close for the V400 phones ? I did a
little goggling and I couldn't find anything.

Thanks

Dale



"BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You are #2 on the list. You'll hear from me as soon as they arrive.
>
> Fromale Mad_Murdock White
> [email protected]
>

Apparently there is. See http://tinyurl.com/8f9hp.
I don't know why, but it seems these batteries are only being sold in
Germany on ebay's German site. I ordered the v3 one's from one of the
dealers in Germany but I'm sure the batteries are actually made in China
or Taiwan.

Fromale Mad_Murdock White
[email protected]

> Just curious, is the a 1700 or anything close for the V400 phones ? I
> did a little goggling and I couldn't find anything.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dale
>
>
>
> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> You are #2 on the list. You'll hear from me as soon as they arrive.
>>
>> Fromale Mad_Murdock White
>> [email protected]

High capacity battery info/real world tests - see this forum (may need you
to register)

http://www.motomodders.net/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=8918

Hey, I was just cruising through the newsgroup and I stumbled on this
thread. Sign me up for one of those batteries once you get things figured
out. I can PayPal you with no problem. Let me know. Thanks.

You're on the list. I expect them to arrive in the next 7 days.

From:Rolling Rock 33
[email protected]

> Hey, I was just cruising through the newsgroup and I stumbled on this
> thread. Sign me up for one of those batteries once you get things
> figured out. I can PayPal you with no problem. Let me know. Thanks.

ok sounds too good to be true <g> if you have any left put me down for
one thanks
Dan
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:46:01 GMT, "BruceR" <[email protected]>
wrotd:

>You are #2 on the list. You'll hear from me as soon as they arrive.
>
>Fromale Mad_Murdock White
>[email protected]
>
>> Hey Sign me up as well. I always like to be the first on the block to
>> try something new. Even if they are no better, never hurts to have a
>> spare. My e-mail is my handle "mad_murdock" at comcast.net
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this
>>> space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at the
>>> address shown by removing the obvious if you want me to contact you
>>> directly.
>>>
>>> FromevilsPGD
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>>> In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in
>>>>> about a week. I will test one immediately and report the results
>>>>> here. If they're any good I'll have 6 or 7 to sell if anybody
>>>>> wants one and will get more as needed. Assuming US Customs doesn't
>>>>> take a cut, I'll sell them for $19.95 each delivered in the USA or
>>>>> CAN - same as the auction price with delivery. They claim 1700ma
>>>>> but even if it's only 1500ma that's more than twice the capacity
>>>>> of the OEM version. Older OEM batteries are 680ma and newer ones
>>>>> are 710ma (the number is on your battery). Therefore, at least in
>>>>> theory, a 1500 or 1700ma battery should last at least twice as
>>>>> long.
>>>>> Stay tuned!
>>>>
>>>> Sign me up for one, I can either do PayPal or money order...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> This signature does not exist.
>

In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You're on the list. I expect them to arrive in the next 7 days.

Sweet!

Anybody know if the desk chargers are any good? eBay seems to have some
"Silver" and some "Black" ones, but beyond that, I can't find any review
of either product.

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> ok sounds too good to be true <g> if you have any left put me down for
> one thanks
> Dan
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:46:01 GMT, "BruceR" <[email protected]>
> wrotd:
>
>> You are #2 on the list. You'll hear from me as soon as they arrive.
>>
>> Fromale Mad_Murdock White
>> [email protected]
>>
>>> Hey Sign me up as well. I always like to be the first on the block
>>> to try something new. Even if they are no better, never hurts to
>>> have a spare. My e-mail is my handle "mad_murdock" at comcast.net
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>>
>>> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this
>>>> space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at
>>>> the address shown by removing the obvious if you want me to
>>>> contact you directly.
>>>>
>>>> FromevilsPGD
>>>> [email protected]
>>>>
>>>>> In message <[email protected]> "BruceR"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in
>>>>>> about a week. I will test one immediately and report the results
>>>>>> here. If they're any good I'll have 6 or 7 to sell if anybody
>>>>>> wants one and will get more as needed. Assuming US Customs
>>>>>> doesn't take a cut, I'll sell them for $19.95 each delivered in
>>>>>> the USA or CAN - same as the auction price with delivery. They
>>>>>> claim 1700ma but even if it's only 1500ma that's more than twice
>>>>>> the capacity of the OEM version. Older OEM batteries are 680ma
>>>>>> and newer ones are 710ma (the number is on your battery).
>>>>>> Therefore, at least in theory, a 1500 or 1700ma battery should
>>>>>> last at least twice as long.
>>>>>> Stay tuned!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sign me up for one, I can either do PayPal or money order...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> This signature does not exist.