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  1. #16
    Scott
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    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    On 2004-07-01, mgg <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Who the HELL decided that was the right way??


    Across cultures, the ad hoc rules of thumb of one generation become the
    dogma of the next. The violent reaction to top-posting by relative
    newcomers is interesting because they get told it's terrible, they
    adjust their behavior and their tools to fit, and after they've done so
    it really does feel terrible to them.

    On the other hand you could get a news tool which is designed to deal
    with posts with hundreds of quoted lines and a little text at the
    bottom.



    See More: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service




  2. #17
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    Marc <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > Best to avoid any form of advertising in newsgroups, genuine or not it's
    > the equivalent of standing at a bus stop placing leaflets in the hands
    > of people on the most part, don't want them.


    Which is a good rule of thumb, IF it was consistant...

    I've often wondered why a guy like this David Turner gets flamed, but
    the Oxygen software guy gets a free pass when hawking his product or
    announcing the version has been upgraded from 2.1.1.4.05 to
    2.1.1.4.06...

    (Nothing personal- I'm sure OPM is great software, and it's author is
    a nice guy, I'm just pointing out the inconsistancies in "outrage" at
    advert posts...)



  3. #18
    Steve Terry
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    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service


    "mgg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > >>He doesn't know, or he's post at the bottom.<<

    >
    > Bottom posting is idiotic, especially when the thread is 100 messages long
    > and the whole thread is quoted. I was using usenet before there was a www,
    > and no one bottom posted then?

    <snip>
    >

    You are either lying or joking, in those days top posters were publicly flogged
    then stoned to death.

    Top posting in recent years is mainly the result of newbies misusing
    their freebie Outlook Express

    Steve Terry





  4. #19
    PDA Man
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    Its amazing the world doesnt build more things to satisfy Trey. Whats up
    with that?
    After all, it is Trey's World and we just live in it, right?

    "Trey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > If I have
    > > to scroll more than one page to get to a post, it doesn't get read.
    > >
    > > --Mike

    >
    > so clip the text.
    > Besides, if everyone bottom posts then the conversation is all in order

    and
    > someone can come along, see a post, be able to read from the OP all the

    way
    > to the latest post and be able to get up to speed on the topic faster.

    Also,
    > when it comes time to read the thread, everything is in order, since you
    > read down through the paragraph, then its natural for your eyes to

    continue
    > downward to the next paragraph, not to skip up past what you just read,

    then
    > read down again.
    > And honestly, I don't care how old you are. I'm sure you also hate

    TCP/IP,
    > and wish it was still ARPANET.
    >
    > While we are on the topic of hating stuff that is dumb, I hate Flash,

    splash
    > screens, and Web sites with more Animated Gifs then the phone book has
    > numbers. I am paying good money for a fast internet connection so I can

    load
    > pages fast, not so I can load more crap on the pages, I just want the

    info,
    > not a little movie and little sounds for everything you move the mouse

    over.
    >
    >






  5. #20
    PDA Man
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    Its amazing the world doesnt build more things to satisfy Trey. Whats up
    with that?
    After all, it is Trey's World and we just live in it, right?

    "Trey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > If I have
    > > to scroll more than one page to get to a post, it doesn't get read.
    > >
    > > --Mike

    >
    > so clip the text.
    > Besides, if everyone bottom posts then the conversation is all in order

    and
    > someone can come along, see a post, be able to read from the OP all the

    way
    > to the latest post and be able to get up to speed on the topic faster.

    Also,
    > when it comes time to read the thread, everything is in order, since you
    > read down through the paragraph, then its natural for your eyes to

    continue
    > downward to the next paragraph, not to skip up past what you just read,

    then
    > read down again.
    > And honestly, I don't care how old you are. I'm sure you also hate

    TCP/IP,
    > and wish it was still ARPANET.
    >
    > While we are on the topic of hating stuff that is dumb, I hate Flash,

    splash
    > screens, and Web sites with more Animated Gifs then the phone book has
    > numbers. I am paying good money for a fast internet connection so I can

    load
    > pages fast, not so I can load more crap on the pages, I just want the

    info,
    > not a little movie and little sounds for everything you move the mouse

    over.
    >
    >






  6. #21
    Anybody
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service


    "Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > >Bottom posting is idiotic, especially when the thread is 100 messages

    long
    > >and the whole thread is quoted. I was using usenet before there was a

    www,
    > >and no one bottom posted then? Who the HELL decided that was the right

    way??
    >
    > What I hate is middle posting. Now that would be hard to find in 100+
    > lines
    >
    > Pete
    >
    > >Quoting a relevant passage and posting below THAT is what was originally
    > >intended, just like I've done here. If I have to scroll more than one

    page
    > >to get to a post, it doesn't get read.


    Not to mention, say if u r reading this on google, you would end up going
    through page after page just to get to the bottom lol. Waste of time, keep
    on the thread, U snip the quote and u laugh, You don't adapt, maybe we will
    assimilate U, maybe we will discard U as whatever.






  7. #22
    Anybody
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service


    "Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > >Bottom posting is idiotic, especially when the thread is 100 messages

    long
    > >and the whole thread is quoted. I was using usenet before there was a

    www,
    > >and no one bottom posted then? Who the HELL decided that was the right

    way??
    >
    > What I hate is middle posting. Now that would be hard to find in 100+
    > lines
    >
    > Pete
    >
    > >Quoting a relevant passage and posting below THAT is what was originally
    > >intended, just like I've done here. If I have to scroll more than one

    page
    > >to get to a post, it doesn't get read.


    Not to mention, say if u r reading this on google, you would end up going
    through page after page just to get to the bottom lol. Waste of time, keep
    on the thread, U snip the quote and u laugh, You don't adapt, maybe we will
    assimilate U, maybe we will discard U as whatever.






  8. #23
    PDA Man
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    Just like the top poster guys! Find something relevant if you must vent your
    anxiety to life
    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Marc <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > > Best to avoid any form of advertising in newsgroups, genuine or not it's
    > > the equivalent of standing at a bus stop placing leaflets in the hands
    > > of people on the most part, don't want them.

    >
    > Which is a good rule of thumb, IF it was consistant...
    >
    > I've often wondered why a guy like this David Turner gets flamed, but
    > the Oxygen software guy gets a free pass when hawking his product or
    > announcing the version has been upgraded from 2.1.1.4.05 to
    > 2.1.1.4.06...
    >
    > (Nothing personal- I'm sure OPM is great software, and it's author is
    > a nice guy, I'm just pointing out the inconsistancies in "outrage" at
    > advert posts...)






  9. #24
    michael turner
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:22:46 -0700, David Turner wrote:

    > Start-up company(in stealth mode)


    '(in stealth mode)' ?? So WTF is that supposed to mean ?

    > looking for beta testers to try out
    > a new service for your color phone. This is NOT a SPAM message or
    > solicitation for anything other than recruiting beta testers.


    Really.

    > You are
    > only required to have a color mobile phone with WAP service and a
    > Windows 98/ME/2000/XP PC. It's a very simple
    > service, primarily looking for feedback on quality, features, and ease
    > of use. Take's less than five minutes to try out, there is a short
    > web-based form to provide feedback. The first 25 people in each
    > country who join our beta test will get free use of service for one
    > year.
    >
    > Interested? Email [email protected]


    No thanks ... AFAIK you could just be a SPAMMER harvesting for email addys.

    How about a web-site explaining exactly what 'foneshot' is all about.

    --
    Michael Turner
    Email (ROT13)
    [email protected]



  10. #25
    michael turner
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:22:46 -0700, David Turner wrote:

    > Start-up company(in stealth mode)


    '(in stealth mode)' ?? So WTF is that supposed to mean ?

    > looking for beta testers to try out
    > a new service for your color phone. This is NOT a SPAM message or
    > solicitation for anything other than recruiting beta testers.


    Really.

    > You are
    > only required to have a color mobile phone with WAP service and a
    > Windows 98/ME/2000/XP PC. It's a very simple
    > service, primarily looking for feedback on quality, features, and ease
    > of use. Take's less than five minutes to try out, there is a short
    > web-based form to provide feedback. The first 25 people in each
    > country who join our beta test will get free use of service for one
    > year.
    >
    > Interested? Email [email protected]


    No thanks ... AFAIK you could just be a SPAMMER harvesting for email addys.

    How about a web-site explaining exactly what 'foneshot' is all about.

    --
    Michael Turner
    Email (ROT13)
    [email protected]



  11. #26
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > Just like the top poster guys! Find something relevant if you must vent your
    > anxiety to life


    Not venting, P-Man- just curious...



  12. #27
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > Just like the top poster guys! Find something relevant if you must vent your
    > anxiety to life


    Not venting, P-Man- just curious...



  13. #28
    David Turner
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    michael turner <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:22:46 -0700, David Turner wrote:
    >
    > > Start-up company(in stealth mode)

    >
    > '(in stealth mode)' ?? So WTF is that supposed to mean ?
    >
    > > looking for beta testers to try out
    > > a new service for your color phone. This is NOT a SPAM message or
    > > solicitation for anything other than recruiting beta testers.

    >
    > Really.
    >
    > > You are
    > > only required to have a color mobile phone with WAP service and a
    > > Windows 98/ME/2000/XP PC. It's a very simple
    > > service, primarily looking for feedback on quality, features, and ease
    > > of use. Take's less than five minutes to try out, there is a short
    > > web-based form to provide feedback. The first 25 people in each
    > > country who join our beta test will get free use of service for one
    > > year.
    > >
    > > Interested? Email [email protected]

    >
    > No thanks ... AFAIK you could just be a SPAMMER harvesting for email addys.
    >
    > How about a web-site explaining exactly what 'foneshot' is all about.


    Michael-

    We've started a beta test for a mobile service designed for color,
    WAP-enabled phones. As I'm sure you know, testing mobile services
    across a matrix of handsets and operators is quite difficult and
    tedious. We believed recruiting beta testers from mobile-related
    newsgroups would be mutually beneficial, as these folks tend to be
    very knowledgable of the technology and interested in reviewing new
    products and services. Based on the great response in just one week,
    this appears to be the case. I appreciate your concerns regarding
    SPAM, again, we are not spamming, we are quietly testing a new mobile
    service with a intelligent community of mobile aficionados. Any
    constructive suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
    -David



  14. #29
    David Turner
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    michael turner <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:22:46 -0700, David Turner wrote:
    >
    > > Start-up company(in stealth mode)

    >
    > '(in stealth mode)' ?? So WTF is that supposed to mean ?
    >
    > > looking for beta testers to try out
    > > a new service for your color phone. This is NOT a SPAM message or
    > > solicitation for anything other than recruiting beta testers.

    >
    > Really.
    >
    > > You are
    > > only required to have a color mobile phone with WAP service and a
    > > Windows 98/ME/2000/XP PC. It's a very simple
    > > service, primarily looking for feedback on quality, features, and ease
    > > of use. Take's less than five minutes to try out, there is a short
    > > web-based form to provide feedback. The first 25 people in each
    > > country who join our beta test will get free use of service for one
    > > year.
    > >
    > > Interested? Email [email protected]

    >
    > No thanks ... AFAIK you could just be a SPAMMER harvesting for email addys.
    >
    > How about a web-site explaining exactly what 'foneshot' is all about.


    Michael-

    We've started a beta test for a mobile service designed for color,
    WAP-enabled phones. As I'm sure you know, testing mobile services
    across a matrix of handsets and operators is quite difficult and
    tedious. We believed recruiting beta testers from mobile-related
    newsgroups would be mutually beneficial, as these folks tend to be
    very knowledgable of the technology and interested in reviewing new
    products and services. Based on the great response in just one week,
    this appears to be the case. I appreciate your concerns regarding
    SPAM, again, we are not spamming, we are quietly testing a new mobile
    service with a intelligent community of mobile aficionados. Any
    constructive suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
    -David



  15. #30
    mgg
    Guest

    Re: Beta Testers Wanted for new Mobile Service

    >>Besides, if everyone bottom posts then the conversation is all in order
    >>and

    someone can come along, see a post, be able to read from the OP all the way
    to the latest post and be able to get up to speed on the topic faster.<<


    Huh? Then why on earth are newsgroups threaded? If bottom posting is the
    panacea, then the NG server should only show the last post in the thread
    right? Sure would save a bunch of that bandwidth you're complaining about
    being wasted. I'll fill you in on a little secret, the posts are threaded
    because bandwidth used to be VERY expensive, and SLOW. I used to log into
    CompuServe at 300 baud at 24 bucks an hour! People didn't quote whole
    threads in a reply in order to save bandwidth. I'm sure you've never
    experienced it, but 300b is painfully slow even for text.

    Threads existed so a) people following the conversation, didn't have to read
    the entire thing to stay up to speed, and b) provided a way for latecomers
    into the discussion to catch up, WITHOUT burdening everyone else with having
    to download and read what they've already seen. Just because access is
    faster and cheaper, doesn't mean we should be wasteful.

    You will most likely will always bottom post, and I never will...now what do
    we do? :-/

    --Mike



    "Trey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > If I have
    >> to scroll more than one page to get to a post, it doesn't get read.
    >>
    >> --Mike

    >
    > so clip the text.
    > Besides, if everyone bottom posts then the conversation is all in order
    > and
    > someone can come along, see a post, be able to read from the OP all the
    > way
    > to the latest post and be able to get up to speed on the topic faster.
    > Also,
    > when it comes time to read the thread, everything is in order, since you
    > read down through the paragraph, then its natural for your eyes to
    > continue
    > downward to the next paragraph, not to skip up past what you just read,
    > then
    > read down again.
    > And honestly, I don't care how old you are. I'm sure you also hate
    > TCP/IP,
    > and wish it was still ARPANET.
    >
    > While we are on the topic of hating stuff that is dumb, I hate Flash,
    > splash
    > screens, and Web sites with more Animated Gifs then the phone book has
    > numbers. I am paying good money for a fast internet connection so I can
    > load
    > pages fast, not so I can load more crap on the pages, I just want the
    > info,
    > not a little movie and little sounds for everything you move the mouse
    > over.
    >
    >
    >






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