Re: Verizon V3c download movies paid software? anything?

Paul Furman wrote:
> ...
> http://reviews.cnet.com/conferencing...-31355179.html
>
> That's a review of the USB version of the Mobile Action Handset Manager
> software I linked above.
> ...
> You can download Mobile Action Handset Manager from the manufacturer to
> test and it does *not* support my phone, only the verizon V3m. I might
> buy a bluetooth USB thing & try the BT version but that seems unlikely
> to work. You can download the driver & the setup tells you if it's
> compatible:
> http://global.mobileaction.com/downl...ID=474&go=+Go+
>
> Ah ha, alright it does indeed look like the bluetooth version
> specifically supports my phone. Follow those instructions to check your
> exact version.
>
> OK so the bluetooth version looks like it should work but the driver
> refers to their USB bluetooth dongle thing so it looks like I'm stuck
> ordering their package for $30 plus shipping.

Make that $17 from Amazon.

Paul Furman wrote:
> larry wrote:
>> Paul Furman wrote
>>
>>> Strangely the only other 3rd party software I could find is:
>>> Bluetooth Data Suite (MA-730) - Handset Manager
>>> http://www.cellphoneshop.net/ma730.html
>>
>> Be sure the phone supports BT FTP or one of the other file transfers.
>> Verizon usually disables everything except headphones by default.
>
> BT FTP -> bluetooth file transfer protocol
>
> Is that the same as OBEX?
> This says my firmware version GATW_01.15.04 is very unlikely to support
> that: http://mark.cdmaforums.com/V3C_Firmware.htm
>
> The DataPilot software gave me a file list and began the transfer, then
> bombed when trying to close that out, after watching the file transfer
> progress get to 100%

Susteen's tech support finally got DataPilot working. The modem driver
in device manager needed to be changed from Motorola's to theirs. My
videos are downloading as I write this. This might have had to do with
the bad firmware version on my phone which doesn't allow text messaging
larger files either: Verizon said they can update that but it would
erase my videos. BTW this is a USB connection and I'm using a cable from
a compact HD I had which does also charge the phone (one less charger)
and I was able to just buy a download version of the software instead of
a mail order with cable.

Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in news:Io4lj.4$Ch6.2
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:

> BTW this is a USB connection and I'm using a cable from
> a compact HD I had which does also charge the phone (one less charger)
> and I was able to just buy a download version of the software instead of
> a mail order with cable.
>
>

Be informed I'm against charging large batteries, like SELLphones use, off
the USB power supply in your computer. The quick charger in a SELLphone
draws much more power than the computer was designed to supply....which, of
course, may burn up the USB regulator.....not good.

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:59:06 +0000, larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
<Xns9A2CE158FE5D0noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>:

>Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in news:Io4lj.4$Ch6.2
>@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>
>> BTW this is a USB connection and I'm using a cable from
>> a compact HD I had which does also charge the phone (one less charger)
>> and I was able to just buy a download version of the software instead of
>> a mail order with cable.
>
>Be informed I'm against charging large batteries, like SELLphones use, off
>the USB power supply in your computer. The quick charger in a SELLphone
>draws much more power than the computer was designed to supply....which, of
>course, may burn up the USB regulator.....not good.

The USB bus is current limited with no danger of damage, and the phone
is designed not to exceed the USB max in any event. Charging the phone
from a computer is actually a good way to go.

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:53:41 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <47958448$0$84229$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>All this is not as difficult as the instructions make it out to be.

This from a person that can't figure out how to get Motorola Phone Tools
to work, and blames Motorola for his inability to follow instructions.

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:32:32 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <47964433$0$84214$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>But to answer your question, no, MPT isn't that great. It's very
>sensitive to operating systems and to which USB controller is in the
>computer. ...

It actually works quite well when installed and configured properly.

>I've used MPT for many years, and have helped many users get it running
>when they've had problems. I'm surprised that they haven't solved all
>the compatibility issues, but one thing I've noticed is that when you
>use Bluetooth instead of USB to connect it's much better. ...

It works just as well, if not better, with USB.

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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:32:32 -0800, SMS
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
> <47964433$0$84214$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>
>>But to answer your question, no, MPT isn't that great. It's very
>>sensitive to operating systems and to which USB controller is in
>>the computer. ...
>
> It actually works quite well when installed and configured
> properly.

Have to agree, it's worked perfectly for me in Windows XP, Windows XP
64 bit and Vista 32 and 64 bit.

I did have to get a later version for Vista and different drivers
(available from Motorola's site) for Vista 64.

Following step by step instructions on Mark Venture's site and/or on
Howard Forums has always resulted in my installing and connecting w/o
problems and I suspect that may work for others as well.


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XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:

> Have to agree, it's worked perfectly for me in Windows XP, Windows
> XP 64 bit and Vista 32 and 64 bit.

I should add that both my E815 and V3m required seem edits in order to
use the multimedia studio in MPT but that was very easy to do on both
phones.

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SMS wrote:
> Paul Furman wrote:
>
>> Right, and if other similar programs can do it without a seem edit,
>> why would people bother when the price is about the same? Is
>> Motorola's MPT that great? And why doesn't anyone mention these
>> alternatives? I'd pay $50 or more if it worked in this case. I've sure
>> wasted a lot of time!
>>
>> I can only find three programs so far:
>>
>> $30 Motorola Phone Tools (needs seem edits)
>> $25 DataPilot (crashes)
>> $30 Bluetooth Data Suite
>
> First, Motorola Phone Tools is extremely inexpensive. You can buy it,
> with a cable, for $4, plus $5 shipping. Maybe less. I.e.
> "http://www.thecellshop.net/Shop/Control/Product/fp/SFV/31796/vpid/4171798/vpcsid/0/rid/126605".
>
>
> Second, like you, many users have tried DataPilot with limited success
> due to its own problems.
>
> But to answer your question, no, MPT isn't that great.

Yeah well neither is DataPilot but they did follow through nicely with
their tech support with some patience. I suspect MPT is a little better
software, I used it some years ago without issue on another phone &
DataPilot is rather awkward but then I'm not looking for much here. I
just wasn't up for some tedious hacker approach though I have done
similar, it reminded me of getting windows 3.14 running 'stable' :-)


> It's very
> sensitive to operating systems and to which USB controller is in the
> computer. However the problem of transferring the movies is a Verizon
> limitation that they had Motorola put into the phone. I'm glad to see
> that apparently Susteen ignores, or otherwise gets around, the Verizon
> limitations.
>
> I've used MPT for many years, and have helped many users get it running
> when they've had problems. I'm surprised that they haven't solved all
> the compatibility issues, but one thing I've noticed is that when you
> use Bluetooth instead of USB to connect it's much better. I've tried
> Datapilot as well, but it seemed like I was always waiting for them to
> add support to the phone I had to their software.
>
>> I'll probably get another phone with removable memory card. I'm sick &
>> tired of this software crap :-)
>
> Yes, for future phone purchases that's a good plan. Between Verizon's
> phone crippling, and the poorly written Motorola Phone Tools, the best
> option is to completely bypass the cable for transferring photos and
> videos.

>>> But to answer your question, no, MPT isn't that great.
>>
>> Yeah well neither is DataPilot but they did follow through nicely
>> with their tech support with some patience. I suspect MPT is a
>> little better software, I used it some years ago without issue on
>> another phone & DataPilot is rather awkward but then I'm not looking
>> for much here. I just wasn't up for some tedious hacker approach
>> though I have done similar, it reminded me of getting windows 3.14
>> running 'stable' :-)

> The reviews of Motorola Phone Tools on Amazon are pretty funny!
>
> "http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000EYTBOS?filterBy=addOneStar"
>
> Still, if you manage to get it running, and if you do a SEEM edit on
> Verizon's firmware, it does okay on managing contacts and transferring
> files.

But some people liked it too. In fact, the best reviews slightly
outnumbered the worst reviews. I've never had a problem with MPT.

http://www.amazon.com/review/product...By=addFiveStar

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:02:09 -0600, "M.L." <me@privacy.net> wrote in
<pwClj.2794$nK5.1702@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>:

>>>> But to answer your question, no, MPT isn't that great.
>>>
>>> Yeah well neither is DataPilot but they did follow through nicely
>>> with their tech support with some patience. I suspect MPT is a
>>> little better software, I used it some years ago without issue on
>>> another phone & DataPilot is rather awkward but then I'm not looking
>>> for much here. I just wasn't up for some tedious hacker approach
>>> though I have done similar, it reminded me of getting windows 3.14
>>> running 'stable' :-)
>
>> The reviews of Motorola Phone Tools on Amazon are pretty funny!
>>
>> "http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000EYTBOS?filterBy=addOneStar"
>>
>> Still, if you manage to get it running, and if you do a SEEM edit on
>> Verizon's firmware, it does okay on managing contacts and transferring
>> files.
>
>But some people liked it too. In fact, the best reviews slightly
>outnumbered the worst reviews. I've never had a problem with MPT.

Steven takes comfort in being in the bottom half of computer users.


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M.L. wrote:
>>>> But to answer your question, no, MPT isn't that great.
>>> Yeah well neither is DataPilot but they did follow through nicely
>>> with their tech support with some patience. I suspect MPT is a
>>> little better software, I used it some years ago without issue on
>>> another phone & DataPilot is rather awkward but then I'm not looking
>>> for much here. I just wasn't up for some tedious hacker approach
>>> though I have done similar, it reminded me of getting windows 3.14
>>> running 'stable' :-)
>
>> The reviews of Motorola Phone Tools on Amazon are pretty funny!
>>
>> "http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000EYTBOS?filterBy=addOneStar"
>>
>> Still, if you manage to get it running, and if you do a SEEM edit on
>> Verizon's firmware, it does okay on managing contacts and transferring
>> files.
>
> But some people liked it too. In fact, the best reviews slightly
> outnumbered the worst reviews. I've never had a problem with MPT.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/review/product...By=addFiveStar

This is true. But look at some of the 4 star reviews, many of which do
complain about the shortcomings. I have the same feelings as most of
those 4 star posters, but I would have given a lower rating because I
look at it from the standpoint of a less technically savvy user that
would have given up at the first problem.

For example, look at the recent MPT thread at
"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.motorola/browse_thread/thread/c6effd10601efed7/cae43ef7e8fe5f82?hl=en&lnk=st&q=moto+phone+tools+i ssue#cae43ef7e8fe5f82"

He got the problem of "MPT software keeps saying initializing modem
please wait... over and over and over.. " something I've seen on several
installations I've assisted users with.

He got the "Bangalore-Quality-Support" from one person, i.e. 'reset the
phone,' and 'remove and reinstall the software,' which reminds me of
talking to India's Earthlink support a few years ago when their Usenet
servers went down for a week--the solution is always to reset, remove,
reinstall!

Finally he got advice from another long term user of the product that
has dealt with all the quirks. But many users would have given up long
ago, not knowing of Usenet or any other place to get help. It's totally
non-obvious to have to tell the software to not automatically detect the
handset and then have to manually select the type and model of phone.

One of the 4 star reviews also complained about Bluetooth problems, but
at least with Windows XP, I've had less problems with Bluetooth phones