Charging Cell Phone from Computer

In article <[email protected]>, Jim Higgins
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Purely in the eye of the beholder.

Windows is just too "in your face."

> Now Vista seems to be an attempt to add useless beauty and other gee
> whiz visual appeal and most I know who have tried it have "upgraded"
> back to WinXP.

If you thought XP sucked, Vista takes "suck" to a whole new level.

> But then your own OS X has nothing more to recommend it in the
> ugly/pretty area, nor do the assorted Linux shells... but when it
> comes to OS X, the choice of software to run on it and the development
> tools available are severely limited vs Windows. Forget the assorted
> Linux distros. Maybe if I wanted to spend more time being my own
> brain surgeon vs getting something useful done, but otherwise, with
> some exceptions, Linux is more of a religion than an OS the masses
> will ever embrace.

Side-by-side, OS X is far more attractive visually than any version of
Windows.

> Also I'm not even remotely attracted to Apple because some commercial
> sings about how "she comes in colors" or is "a new soul." Yael Naïm
> is hot, but that new Macbook Air is underpowered, under featured, and
> waaaaay overpriced. No wonder Apple doesn't advertise features or
> functionality.

Did Apple say the Macbook Air was for everybody?

> Hmmm, and how many security updates have there been to OS X?

How many OS X viruses/spyware? *ZERO* since it was introduced in 2001.
How many for Windows? ****, I don't know that our numbering system goes
that high.

> You'll find out just how secure your Apple is when the virus writers
> think there's enough Apples out there to bother writing viruses for
> them. Have you ever seen that classic demo of how fission works using
> a zillion mouse traps set up an inch or so apart all across a
> basketball court with ping pong balls on them that get tossed in the
> air when they go off? Toss one extra ball into their midst and the
> whole mess goes up in a few seconds. Now put a hundred such traps
> evenly spaced across a full basketball court and toss a ball out there
> and you'll be luck to hit one let alone start a reaction is you do.
> That's why Apples don't have the same problem with viruses as Windows
> systems do. There aren't enough to generate the critical mass needed
> to sustain an Apple based virus. That's changing now that Win boxes
> and Apples use the same CPU. Brace yourself!

You Wintards never seem to get it. It has nothing to do with market
share. It has everything to do with how the operating system is
designed. With OS X, the default user is not logged in as an admin with
root access. Get a clue!

And it also has nothing to do with the processor.

> Pot, meet kettle. Many have little nice to say about the Thoth news
> reader you're using with OS X. The several folks I know with OS X
> machines are quite unhappy with the choice of news readers, email and
> other software in general, but they're happy in knowing they're
> sticking it to Bill Gates and paying something like a 50% premium
> (more like 100% if it's a MacBook Air) for the hardware to do so.

I've had no problems with Thoth (any version). Office 2008 is working
fine as are all of my other applications.

Try comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) before regurgitating
the old myth that Apple products are more expensive. Compared to your
e-Machine, yeah, they are more expensive.

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Todd H. says...

> Motorola is very annoying this way. On some Windows machines,
> a driver is actually required to do the charging. John Navas
> has posted a link to the driver though.

> On Macs, it just seems to work

What about dedicated (i.e.-dumb) USB chargers, like AC-powered
chargers or something like the Minty charger? Will Moto's work
with them?

I ask because this issue has come up concerning iPods and other
MP3 players - some will work with *some* dedicated MP3 chargers,
but you never quite know which match will work. And in
researching this in preparation for building a charger, I came
across some forum threads that may explain it.

As others have said, there's normally a negotiation process on a
USB connection that determines how much power the device can draw
from the port. It appears Windows insists on following that
convention, whereas Macs just let her rip. But a dedicated
charger isn't going to be doing any negotiating, or even
communicating.

Until recently, there was no standard on what a dedicated charger
should do with it's USB data pins, which are the two inside pins
on a type A connector. But in March of 2007, there appeared a
new USB standard that specifically addressed the port power issue
for hosts, hubs, and even dedicated chargers, as well as the
devices that connect to them. Now, a dedicated charger is
supposed to *short* the data lines together, and that alone
identifies it as a dumb charger, which the device may draw power
from at will, and without negotiating anything.

The problem is that now downstream devices are starting to
*require* the shorted pins, and if they don't find them shorted,
and can't actually connect and negotiate, they refuse to charge,
which technically is what the standard says they should do.

As time goes on, all dedicated chargers will have those pins
shorted, but virtually none of the older ones did, so it's gonna
be a can of worms for a few years. But eventually, *any*
dedicated charger should work for every USB device.

Anyway, the grizzly details of *exactly* how power consumption is
supposed to work on USB can be found here:

http://www.usb.org/developers/devcla...tt_charging_1_ 0.zip

In theory, newer Motorola phones should work with newer dedicated
chargers, even those of other brands. It will be interesting to
see if they do.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:48:44 +0000, Jim Higgins
<[email protected]> wrote in
<84euq35po72rq***[email protected]>:

>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:17:16 -0800, "Mr. Strat"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Jim Higgins
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you this whiney face-to-face or only on Usenet?
>>
>>Well, he's a dick in the newsgroups. I'd like to meet him in person so
>>that I could tell him he's a retard to his face.
>
>I wish everyone who feels that way would just ignore him so as not to
>add to the noise level he brings to the group... as I plan to from now
>on.

Good for you. Seriously. If only others were so sensible.

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Best regards, MOTOROLA WIKI:
John Navas <http://cell.wikia.com/wiki/Motorola>

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:53:43 -0600, George <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Todd H. says...
>
> > Motorola is very annoying this way. On some Windows machines,
> > a driver is actually required to do the charging. John Navas
> > has posted a link to the driver though.
>
> > On Macs, it just seems to work
>
>What about dedicated (i.e.-dumb) USB chargers, like AC-powered
>chargers or something like the Minty charger? Will Moto's work
>with them?

Yes if the cable is wired correctly; no if it isn't.

>As others have said, there's normally a negotiation process on a
>USB connection that determines how much power the device can draw
>from the port. It appears Windows insists on following that
>convention, whereas Macs just let her rip. But a dedicated
>charger isn't going to be doing any negotiating, or even
>communicating.

I explained the problem, which isn't USB negotiation, earlier in this
thread.

>Until recently, there was no standard on what a dedicated charger
>should do with it's USB data pins, which are the two inside pins
>on a type A connector.

Mini USB has one (and only one) extra pin as compared to Standard USB.

--
Best regards, MOTOROLA WIKI:
John Navas <http://cell.wikia.com/wiki/Motorola>

In article <[email protected]>, George
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I ask because this issue has come up concerning iPods and other
> MP3 players - some will work with *some* dedicated MP3 chargers,
> but you never quite know which match will work. And in
> researching this in preparation for building a charger, I came
> across some forum threads that may explain it.

Since the third generation (2003), iPods have used a proprietary
connector for charging. One end may be USB, but the iPod end is
specific only to iPods (and the iPhone).

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:51:38 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:

> Motorola phones won't charge from a PC via a USB port unless the
> Motorola USB drivers are installed on the PC.

That is so wrong!

I charge my V3r with any of three cables; one from my portable USB hard
drive, one from my Cannon camera and the the third one from my TomTom.

[email protected] (yoyo) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:51:38 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:
>
>> Motorola phones won't charge from a PC via a USB port unless the
>> Motorola USB drivers are installed on the PC.
>
> That is so wrong!
>
> I charge my V3r with any of three cables; one from my portable USB
> hard drive, one from my Cannon camera and the the third one from my
> TomTom.

I didn't say anything about what cable to use.

From a Windows PC, any standard USB cable will work, so long as the
Motorola USB drivers are installed.

I've seen reports that you can charge from some Macs without any
drivers.

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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]

On 12 Mar 2008 12:51:10 GMT, Bert Hyman <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] (yoyo) wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:51:38 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:
>>
>>> Motorola phones won't charge from a PC via a USB port unless the
>>> Motorola USB drivers are installed on the PC.
>>
>> That is so wrong!
>>
>> I charge my V3r with any of three cables; one from my portable USB
>> hard drive, one from my Cannon camera and the the third one from my
>> TomTom.
>
>I didn't say anything about what cable to use.
>
>From a Windows PC, any standard USB cable will work, so long as the
>Motorola USB drivers are installed.
>
>I've seen reports that you can charge from some Macs without any
>drivers.

I've also heard you can with Vista. I'm still using XP and had to
install the drivers before mine would work.

Larc



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OK, it is a Windows driver issue. I use Ubuntu and apparently the driver
is already built in.

In article <[email protected]>, Bert Hyman
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I've seen reports that you can charge from some Macs without any
> drivers.

Any Mac running OS X should be able to charge it without anything
special except for a regular USB cable.

[email protected] (Mr. Strat) wrote in
news:130320080446026785%[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>, Bert Hyman
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I've seen reports that you can charge from some Macs without any
>> drivers.
>
> Any Mac running OS X should be able to charge it without anything
> special except for a regular USB cable.

So Macs can do it, PCs running Linux and Vista can do it, but PCs
running XP can't without the Motorola drivers.

What's XP doing differently? Is XP "wrong" or just different but
within specs?

I've also read that plugging into a simple powered USB port (like
those cute automobile cigarette lighter adapters) won't charge a
Motorola phone either.

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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]

On 13 Mar 2008 12:56:42 GMT, Bert Hyman <[email protected]> wrote:

>So Macs can do it, PCs running Linux and Vista can do it, but PCs
>running XP can't without the Motorola drivers.
>
>What's XP doing differently? Is XP "wrong" or just different but
>within specs?

I think it's just a matter of that ability not being included in XP.
Remember, XP is basically an old OS. Although we have had SP1 and SP2
(M$ will release SP3 soon), and there have been monthly updates at
least, much technology exists now that wasn't even dreamed of when XP
was first released nearly 6½ years ago.

Larc



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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:56:42 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:
>
> I've also read that plugging into a simple powered USB port (like
> those cute automobile cigarette lighter adapters) won't charge a
> Motorola phone either.
>
I charge my V3r with the cable that came with my TomTom.

[email protected] (yoyo) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:56:42 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:
>>
>> I've also read that plugging into a simple powered USB port (like
>> those cute automobile cigarette lighter adapters) won't charge a
>> Motorola phone either.
>>
> I charge my V3r with the cable that came with my TomTom.

What's on the other end of the cable?

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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]

In message <[email protected]> yoyo
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:56:42 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:
>>
>> I've also read that plugging into a simple powered USB port (like
>> those cute automobile cigarette lighter adapters) won't charge a
>> Motorola phone either.
>>
>I charge my V3r with the cable that came with my TomTom.

It's not usually the cable that is important, but rather, whether the
charger supplies the Razr with whatever signal it needs to know there is
a dedicated charger attached rather then a computer or USB hub without
proper drivers.