Re: Nextel sues Verizon Wireless - a link

Also try RCR wireless news.

"Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in article
<Pearl-EB0DE1.13315024092003@news05.west.earthlink.net>:
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ap_on_bi_ge/ce
> llular_walkie_talkie_spat_2

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Finally someone who makes sense.

CellAcademician@NOXXhotmailXXNO.com (Cell Academician) wrote in article
<vn3m842rgtcv8f@corp.supernews.com>:
> "PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in article
> <8yidnY4x9aFlGuyiU-KYvA@comcast.com>:
> > Nextel Communications today filed suit against Verizon
> > Wireless, claiming that Verizon Wireless' new
> > advertisements for its push-to-talk service make
> > false claims about Nextel's network.
>
> Actually Verizon is simply emphasizing their own superior
> coverage, while ignoring the difference in PTT connect
> times.
>
> Verizon's claim of the "best, most reliable network" is open
> to interpretation. If they mean that their network has the
> best, most reliable coverage, then they are telling the truth.
> If they are saying that they have the best PTT product in
> terms of actual operation in areas where both carriers
> have coverage, then they are lying, but of course their
> ads never said that.
>
> Nothing illegal in what Verizon is doing. Implicature is
> used all the time in advertising. Nextel is very foolish
> to give all this free advertising to Verizon, rather than
> countering with ads that show how much better Nextel's
> PTT is than Verizon's. Nextel can legitmately claim to
> have the best PTT network, they are under no obligation
> to talk about the coverage issue.
>
> Verizon customers that expect Nextel-like PTT quality will
> be disappointed.
>
> Nextel customers that expect Verizon-like coverage will be
> disappointed.
>
> "Best" is such a vague term. It's like all the car dealers
> that claim to be "#1" or "largest."
>
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Finally someone who makes sense.

CellAcademician@NOXXhotmailXXNO.com (Cell Academician) wrote in article
<vn3m842rgtcv8f@corp.supernews.com>:
> "PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in article
> <8yidnY4x9aFlGuyiU-KYvA@comcast.com>:
> > Nextel Communications today filed suit against Verizon
> > Wireless, claiming that Verizon Wireless' new
> > advertisements for its push-to-talk service make
> > false claims about Nextel's network.
>
> Actually Verizon is simply emphasizing their own superior
> coverage, while ignoring the difference in PTT connect
> times.
>
> Verizon's claim of the "best, most reliable network" is open
> to interpretation. If they mean that their network has the
> best, most reliable coverage, then they are telling the truth.
> If they are saying that they have the best PTT product in
> terms of actual operation in areas where both carriers
> have coverage, then they are lying, but of course their
> ads never said that.
>
> Nothing illegal in what Verizon is doing. Implicature is
> used all the time in advertising. Nextel is very foolish
> to give all this free advertising to Verizon, rather than
> countering with ads that show how much better Nextel's
> PTT is than Verizon's. Nextel can legitmately claim to
> have the best PTT network, they are under no obligation
> to talk about the coverage issue.
>
> Verizon customers that expect Nextel-like PTT quality will
> be disappointed.
>
> Nextel customers that expect Verizon-like coverage will be
> disappointed.
>
> "Best" is such a vague term. It's like all the car dealers
> that claim to be "#1" or "largest."
>
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Cell Academician wrote:

>
> But there's a bigger problem for Nextel here, connect time
> doesn't matter that much to a lot of PTT users. One of the
> major uses of PTT is to do group calling, rather than calling
> each person individually. Whether the group call goes out
> in 2 seconds or 8-12 seconds is immaterial. To the
> non-business user, the faster connect time will matter less
> than the poorer coverage.
>

Nextel offers group calling (has done it for years). THis is nothing
new. And no matter what people think, Verizon PTT does not work on
their entire network. It only works on their data network, and the foot
print is much smaller than the entire Nextel network (which offers PTT
throughout the entire netwrok).

Cell Academician wrote:

>
> But there's a bigger problem for Nextel here, connect time
> doesn't matter that much to a lot of PTT users. One of the
> major uses of PTT is to do group calling, rather than calling
> each person individually. Whether the group call goes out
> in 2 seconds or 8-12 seconds is immaterial. To the
> non-business user, the faster connect time will matter less
> than the poorer coverage.
>

Nextel offers group calling (has done it for years). THis is nothing
new. And no matter what people think, Verizon PTT does not work on
their entire network. It only works on their data network, and the foot
print is much smaller than the entire Nextel network (which offers PTT
throughout the entire netwrok).

Cell Academician wrote:
> "PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in article
> <8yidnY4x9aFlGuyiU-KYvA@comcast.com>:
>
>>Nextel Communications today filed suit against Verizon
>>Wireless, claiming that Verizon Wireless' new
>>advertisements for its push-to-talk service make
>>false claims about Nextel's network.
>
>
> Actually Verizon is simply emphasizing their own superior
> coverage, while ignoring the difference in PTT connect
> times.
>
Disclaimer on their own web site:

"Best network claim based upon our reliability studies and network
advantages."

You'll notice its based on their own studies. Nice to see we get an
unbiased opinion.


> Verizon's claim of the "best, most reliable network" is open
> to interpretation. If they mean that their network has the
> best, most reliable coverage, then they are telling the truth.
> If they are saying that they have the best PTT product in
> terms of actual operation in areas where both carriers
> have coverage, then they are lying, but of course their
> ads never said that.
>
They do claim (again from the web site) "Coast-to-Coast Coverage. Reach
and be reached in more places across the country within the Verizon
Wireless National Enhanced Service Area. " Isn't this the upgrade to
the data network that is only available in a small number of markets?

If you read the fine print on their best network claim at
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/b...ork/index.jsp, you'll notice
that there is no comparison testing.

> Nothing illegal in what Verizon is doing. Implicature is
> used all the time in advertising. Nextel is very foolish
> to give all this free advertising to Verizon, rather than
> countering with ads that show how much better Nextel's
> PTT is than Verizon's. Nextel can legitmately claim to
> have the best PTT network, they are under no obligation
> to talk about the coverage issue.

Illegal? Up to the court to determine. But other than the normal
disclaimers (ver small print), the customers perception of total network
coverage may be the key, based on the advertising.

Cell Academician wrote:
> "PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in article
> <8yidnY4x9aFlGuyiU-KYvA@comcast.com>:
>
>>Nextel Communications today filed suit against Verizon
>>Wireless, claiming that Verizon Wireless' new
>>advertisements for its push-to-talk service make
>>false claims about Nextel's network.
>
>
> Actually Verizon is simply emphasizing their own superior
> coverage, while ignoring the difference in PTT connect
> times.
>
Disclaimer on their own web site:

"Best network claim based upon our reliability studies and network
advantages."

You'll notice its based on their own studies. Nice to see we get an
unbiased opinion.


> Verizon's claim of the "best, most reliable network" is open
> to interpretation. If they mean that their network has the
> best, most reliable coverage, then they are telling the truth.
> If they are saying that they have the best PTT product in
> terms of actual operation in areas where both carriers
> have coverage, then they are lying, but of course their
> ads never said that.
>
They do claim (again from the web site) "Coast-to-Coast Coverage. Reach
and be reached in more places across the country within the Verizon
Wireless National Enhanced Service Area. " Isn't this the upgrade to
the data network that is only available in a small number of markets?

If you read the fine print on their best network claim at
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/b...work/index.jsp, you'll notice
that there is no comparison testing.

> Nothing illegal in what Verizon is doing. Implicature is
> used all the time in advertising. Nextel is very foolish
> to give all this free advertising to Verizon, rather than
> countering with ads that show how much better Nextel's
> PTT is than Verizon's. Nextel can legitmately claim to
> have the best PTT network, they are under no obligation
> to talk about the coverage issue.

Illegal? Up to the court to determine. But other than the normal
disclaimers (ver small print), the customers perception of total network
coverage may be the key, based on the advertising.

> Verizon is very "reliable".

compared to the options, yes

...er, ah....if you have a 3W AMPS phone
> like I use....(c;

good for you, but that WILL run out...

> As everyone knows on all these newsgroups, telecom companies are all a
> pack of liars. That isn't news, is it?

Just like you, so you should be right at home MB

>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
> 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
> gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
> conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

[posted via phonescoop.com]

> Verizon is very "reliable".

compared to the options, yes

...er, ah....if you have a 3W AMPS phone
> like I use....(c;

good for you, but that WILL run out...

> As everyone knows on all these newsgroups, telecom companies are all a
> pack of liars. That isn't news, is it?

Just like you, so you should be right at home MB

>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
> 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
> gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
> conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Nextel Communications today filed suit against Verizon Wireless, claiming
that Verizon Wireless' new advertisements for its push-to-talk service make
false claims about Nextel's network. Neither Nextel nor Verizon Wireless
have yet to comment on the suit. U.S. carriers have stepped up their
advertising battles in recent weeks. In addition to the growing fight
between Nextel and Verizon Wireless, AT&T Wireless and Sprint PCS have been
taking pot shots at one another in recent months in an attempt to win a
greater share of the mobile enterprise market. Most analysts see these
fights as a sign of the growing saturation of the North American wireless
market.

For more on the Nextel, Verizon Wireless suit:
- see this blurb from Reuters

"Meeee......and my shaaaa-dow....Strollin' 'long the aaa-ven-new"....



On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:04:16 -0000, malebomb@comcast.net (Male Bomb)
wrote:

>> Verizon is very "reliable".
>
>compared to the options, yes
>
>..er, ah....if you have a 3W AMPS phone
>> like I use....(c;
>
>good for you, but that WILL run out...
>
>> As everyone knows on all these newsgroups, telecom companies are all a
>> pack of liars. That isn't news, is it?
>
>Just like you, so you should be right at home MB
>
>>
>>
>> Larry W4CSC
>>
>> 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
>> gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
>> conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
>
>[posted via phonescoop.com]


Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

"Meeee......and my shaaaa-dow....Strollin' 'long the aaa-ven-new"....



On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:04:16 -0000, malebomb@comcast.net (Male Bomb)
wrote:

>> Verizon is very "reliable".
>
>compared to the options, yes
>
>..er, ah....if you have a 3W AMPS phone
>> like I use....(c;
>
>good for you, but that WILL run out...
>
>> As everyone knows on all these newsgroups, telecom companies are all a
>> pack of liars. That isn't news, is it?
>
>Just like you, so you should be right at home MB
>
>>
>>
>> Larry W4CSC
>>
>> 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
>> gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
>> conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
>
>[posted via phonescoop.com]


Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

"PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in message
news:8yidnY4x9aFlGuyiU-KYvA@comcast.com...
> Nextel Communications today filed suit against Verizon Wireless, claiming
> that Verizon Wireless' new advertisements for its push-to-talk service
make
> false claims about Nextel's network. Neither Nextel nor Verizon Wireless
> have yet to comment on the suit. U.S. carriers have stepped up their
> advertising battles in recent weeks. In addition to the growing fight
> between Nextel and Verizon Wireless, AT&T Wireless and Sprint PCS have
been
> taking pot shots at one another in recent months in an attempt to win a
> greater share of the mobile enterprise market. Most analysts see these
> fights as a sign of the growing saturation of the North American wireless
> market.

Personally I find the commercials misleading. Are they technically
lieing? No, probably not, but they are certainly implying falsehoods.

Having said that, that's what ALL commercials in the US do! I
can't imagine seeing any commerical in which it didn't play itself
as the single greatest thing in the universe while pointing out the
lousyness of other products.

I think Nextel would be better served by running their own
commercials than trying to defeat Verizon in court.

Chris

"PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in message
news:8yidnY4x9aFlGuyiU-KYvA@comcast.com...
> Nextel Communications today filed suit against Verizon Wireless, claiming
> that Verizon Wireless' new advertisements for its push-to-talk service
make
> false claims about Nextel's network. Neither Nextel nor Verizon Wireless
> have yet to comment on the suit. U.S. carriers have stepped up their
> advertising battles in recent weeks. In addition to the growing fight
> between Nextel and Verizon Wireless, AT&T Wireless and Sprint PCS have
been
> taking pot shots at one another in recent months in an attempt to win a
> greater share of the mobile enterprise market. Most analysts see these
> fights as a sign of the growing saturation of the North American wireless
> market.

Personally I find the commercials misleading. Are they technically
lieing? No, probably not, but they are certainly implying falsehoods.

Having said that, that's what ALL commercials in the US do! I
can't imagine seeing any commerical in which it didn't play itself
as the single greatest thing in the universe while pointing out the
lousyness of other products.

I think Nextel would be better served by running their own
commercials than trying to defeat Verizon in court.

Chris

"Male Bomb" <malebomb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:vn4tqghkej4dc9@corp.supernews.com...
> > Verizon is very "reliable".
>
> compared to the options, yes
>
> ..er, ah....if you have a 3W AMPS phone
> > like I use....(c;
>
> good for you, but that WILL run out...
>
> > As everyone knows on all these newsgroups, telecom companies are all a
> > pack of liars. That isn't news, is it?
>
> Just like you, so you should be right at home MB
>
> >
> >
> > Larry W4CSC
> >
> > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
> > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
> > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]


Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.