Analog Activation?!?

And another good thing is that you can use it even if it's just 1 or 2 bars
strong.. Assuming your "loud" enough for the tower to hear you.

"JRW" <no_addy@no_.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Thanks for the pertanant replies. Looks like it's going on ebay.
TDMA/PCS
> > and a yagi or mag-mount is about the only other affordable option.
Remember,
> > this is for use in remote areas not something I want to try and lug
around
> > when my toy phone will work just fine.
>
> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it doesn't
> matter how far you are from the tower (within reason), unlike CDMA if
> you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing problems. A rooftop
> yagi and away ya go....
>
>

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Get Golden State Cellular to activate it.. just lie about your address! lol

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
> posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I
downloaded
> the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.
>
> Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
> California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular
rep
> said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and
it's
> pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated
for
> even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
> but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
> Especially in the Cal-Nev region.
>

Get Golden State Cellular to activate it.. just lie about your address! lol

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
> posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I
downloaded
> the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.
>
> Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
> California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular
rep
> said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and
it's
> pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated
for
> even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
> but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
> Especially in the Cal-Nev region.
>

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:18:10 -0800, "Sterling"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.motorola:

[piggybacking]
>"JRW" <no_addy@no_.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:

>> > Thanks for the pertanant replies. Looks like it's going on ebay. TDMA/PCS
>> > and a yagi or mag-mount is about the only other affordable option. Remember,
>> > this is for use in remote areas not something I want to try and lug around
>> > when my toy phone will work just fine.

>> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it doesn't
>> matter how far you are from the tower (within reason), unlike CDMA if
>> you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing problems.

Actually, it's TDMA (*TIME* Division Multiple Access) that has a range
limited by the speed of light. CDMA doesn't. (GSM, being TDMA, also
does.)
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:18:10 -0800, "Sterling"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.motorola:

[piggybacking]
>"JRW" <no_addy@no_.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:

>> > Thanks for the pertanant replies. Looks like it's going on ebay. TDMA/PCS
>> > and a yagi or mag-mount is about the only other affordable option. Remember,
>> > this is for use in remote areas not something I want to try and lug around
>> > when my toy phone will work just fine.

>> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it doesn't
>> matter how far you are from the tower (within reason), unlike CDMA if
>> you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing problems.

Actually, it's TDMA (*TIME* Division Multiple Access) that has a range
limited by the speed of light. CDMA doesn't. (GSM, being TDMA, also
does.)
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>>> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it
>>> doesn't matter how far you are from the tower (within reason),
>>> unlike CDMA if you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing
>>> problems.
>
> Actually, it's TDMA (*TIME* Division Multiple Access) that has a
> range limited by the speed of light. CDMA doesn't. (GSM, being
> TDMA, also does.)

CDMA is not limited by the speed of light? Interesting. You should
publish a paper on this.

--
regards,
jerry

Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>>> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it
>>> doesn't matter how far you are from the tower (within reason),
>>> unlike CDMA if you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing
>>> problems.
>
> Actually, it's TDMA (*TIME* Division Multiple Access) that has a
> range limited by the speed of light. CDMA doesn't. (GSM, being
> TDMA, also does.)

CDMA is not limited by the speed of light? Interesting. You should
publish a paper on this.

--
regards,
jerry

What?! TDMA's and GSM's distance limitation is due to timing. At about 25
miles, by the time the BTS/phone transmits, the receiver will have moved
onto another user and will be received out of sync. Calls will terminate
beyond a particular distance, due to frequency/transmission interval
changes.

This can happen with CDMA too, but the limit isn't as strictly defined, and
for different reasons.

"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:18:10 -0800, "Sterling"
> <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.motorola:
>
> [piggybacking]
> >"JRW" <no_addy@no_.com> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> > Thanks for the pertanant replies. Looks like it's going on ebay.
TDMA/PCS
> >> > and a yagi or mag-mount is about the only other affordable option.
Remember,
> >> > this is for use in remote areas not something I want to try and lug
around
> >> > when my toy phone will work just fine.
>
> >> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it doesn't
> >> matter how far you are from the tower (within reason), unlike CDMA if
> >> you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing problems.
>
> Actually, it's TDMA (*TIME* Division Multiple Access) that has a range
> limited by the speed of light. CDMA doesn't. (GSM, being TDMA, also
> does.)
> --
> Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

What?! TDMA's and GSM's distance limitation is due to timing. At about 25
miles, by the time the BTS/phone transmits, the receiver will have moved
onto another user and will be received out of sync. Calls will terminate
beyond a particular distance, due to frequency/transmission interval
changes.

This can happen with CDMA too, but the limit isn't as strictly defined, and
for different reasons.

"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:18:10 -0800, "Sterling"
> <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.motorola:
>
> [piggybacking]
> >"JRW" <no_addy@no_.com> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> > Thanks for the pertanant replies. Looks like it's going on ebay.
TDMA/PCS
> >> > and a yagi or mag-mount is about the only other affordable option.
Remember,
> >> > this is for use in remote areas not something I want to try and lug
around
> >> > when my toy phone will work just fine.
>
> >> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it doesn't
> >> matter how far you are from the tower (within reason), unlike CDMA if
> >> you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing problems.
>
> Actually, it's TDMA (*TIME* Division Multiple Access) that has a range
> limited by the speed of light. CDMA doesn't. (GSM, being TDMA, also
> does.)
> --
> Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

Is it possible to do an ESN switch, tell Verizon it's a CDMA phone,
but give them an AMPS only ESN? Do they have an ESN to phone model
mapping? Might be able to get away with it.

SM

Is it possible to do an ESN switch, tell Verizon it's a CDMA phone,
but give them an AMPS only ESN? Do they have an ESN to phone model
mapping? Might be able to get away with it.

SM

Squirrel wrote:
> Is it possible to do an ESN switch, tell Verizon it's a CDMA phone,
> but give them an AMPS only ESN? Do they have an ESN to phone model
> mapping? Might be able to get away with it.
>
> SM

Yes, ESN mapping is possible. The first four bytes of the ESN is a
manufacturer code, though the larger question is, Does the carrier give
a whit? Some do as this info is critical for a certain fraud prevention
technique.

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"All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
what we know." -- Richard Wilbur

Squirrel wrote:
> Is it possible to do an ESN switch, tell Verizon it's a CDMA phone,
> but give them an AMPS only ESN? Do they have an ESN to phone model
> mapping? Might be able to get away with it.
>
> SM

Yes, ESN mapping is possible. The first four bytes of the ESN is a
manufacturer code, though the larger question is, Does the carrier give
a whit? Some do as this info is critical for a certain fraud prevention
technique.

--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
"All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
what we know." -- Richard Wilbur

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:50:50 -0800, "Sterling"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.motorola:

>"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:18:10 -0800, "Sterling"
>> <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.motorola:
>> [piggybacking]
>> >"JRW" <no_addy@no_.com> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> [email protected] wrote:

>> >> > Thanks for the pertanant replies. Looks like it's going on ebay. TDMA/PCS
>> >> > and a yagi or mag-mount is about the only other affordable option. Remember,
>> >> > this is for use in remote areas not something I want to try and lug around
>> >> > when my toy phone will work just fine.

>> >> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it doesn't
>> >> matter how far you are from the tower (within reason), unlike CDMA if
>> >> you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing problems.

>> Actually, it's TDMA (*TIME* Division Multiple Access) that has a range
>> limited by the speed of light. CDMA doesn't. (GSM, being TDMA, also
>> does.)

>What?! TDMA's and GSM's distance limitation is due to timing. At about 25
>miles, by the time the BTS/phone transmits, the receiver will have moved
>onto another user and will be received out of sync. Calls will terminate
>beyond a particular distance, due to frequency/transmission interval
>changes.

>This can happen with CDMA too, but the limit isn't as strictly defined, and
>for different reasons.

That's what I said.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:50:50 -0800, "Sterling"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.motorola:

>"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:18:10 -0800, "Sterling"
>> <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.motorola:
>> [piggybacking]
>> >"JRW" <no_addy@no_.com> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> [email protected] wrote:

>> >> > Thanks for the pertanant replies. Looks like it's going on ebay. TDMA/PCS
>> >> > and a yagi or mag-mount is about the only other affordable option. Remember,
>> >> > this is for use in remote areas not something I want to try and lug around
>> >> > when my toy phone will work just fine.

>> >> And another good thing about TDMA/Analog over CDMA is that it doesn't
>> >> matter how far you are from the tower (within reason), unlike CDMA if
>> >> you are more than 4 or 5 miles you'll get timing problems.

>> Actually, it's TDMA (*TIME* Division Multiple Access) that has a range
>> limited by the speed of light. CDMA doesn't. (GSM, being TDMA, also
>> does.)

>What?! TDMA's and GSM's distance limitation is due to timing. At about 25
>miles, by the time the BTS/phone transmits, the receiver will have moved
>onto another user and will be received out of sync. Calls will terminate
>beyond a particular distance, due to frequency/transmission interval
>changes.

>This can happen with CDMA too, but the limit isn't as strictly defined, and
>for different reasons.

That's what I said.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net