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- 05-19-2005, 02:48 AM #16JohnGuest
Re: Stop whining.
SS wrote:
> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> SS wrote:
>>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince?
>>>> Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not to many here I
>>>> bet. I am already a good customer that forks over well over $150.00
>>>> per month and they will do me a big favor and let me buy a new
>>>> phone for $500.00. Geee I feel real sorry for those nice people at
>>>> NEXTEL being forced to charge such an outrageous price.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, unless you can contradict the facts, Nextel 1st Quarter
>>> earnings (as filed with the SEC) show equipment COSTS of $532M and
>>> equipment REVENUES (not profits) of $352M. Not a secret number, and
>>> in line with every other cellular provider. Now, if you want to
>>> accuse them of padding the books, I would caution you by saying that
>>> in the current business, political and social environment, numbers
>>> like these would have been exposed as frauds long ago by a press and
>>> public keen on hanging the cellular companies out to dry. They are
>>> a matter of public record- cellular companies pay much more for
>>> thephones than they sell them for. You don't have to like it, but
>>> unless you can provide proof (not opinion) to the contrary, these
>>> are the only facts on the table.
>>
>> Maybe you could provide something to back up what you say. Talk IS
>> cheap no matter how many of the ignorant like your post.
>
> You're right- talk is cheap, and the only thing you've provided.
Now you are being asinine. I post the facts as even you know them. What kind
of link to I need to provide my dissatisfaction bonehead.
>
>> Like a link maybe?
>
> Nah- if you're such a smart guy, all I'll tell you is that the
> numbers I quoted are both readily available from the 10-Q filed with
> the SEC and available on both the SEC and Nextel sites. Actually,
> all of the major investment newswires will have a link to them as
> well.
When did I ever try to come off as a smart guy? Another bonehead statement.
You are the one that is try to impress everyone. You are suppsed to be the
smart guy not me. Not doing so good little boy.
>
>> If Nextel
>> pays more than the $500 they are asking me for then maybe they
>> should make a better deal. I seriously doubt Nextel is losing
>> anything and am well aware how big business cooks figures to say
>> what ever they like.
>
> As you said, talk is cheap. And opinions are worthless when they
> aren't backed up by any facts. As I said in my last post, for all of
> the thousands Usenet business experts to spout this opinion (you
> just being the latest model), I have yet to see any one of them
> provide any facts. It appears that you will keep that streak intact.
I am not the one that has the cheap talk it is you. What facts am I
supposed to back up. You don't know the prices of the phones and I have to
provide you with a Nextel link? Now you say my opinion is worthless so if
you are really such bonehead just let me know what I could possible tell
such a smart little boy that you don't already know? You are falling apart
here and looking more empty headed the more you post. Let's not go over the
top here, I am only complaining about the price of the phones. Do you have a
firm grasp of reality here?
>
> Now, maybe you could enlighten us as to the informational source of
> your knowledge. IOW, time to put up or shut up.
Once again, what do you need to know? I am not the one with the ass for a
mouth.
› See More: I'm Coming to Nextel
- 05-19-2005, 02:56 AM #17JohnGuest
Re: I'm Coming to Nextel
SS wrote:
> "1badss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> that fact remains, Nextel as well as other companies make their money
>> off of monthly service not phones. the problem is not with nextel
>> but the prices motorola is charging them for the phones and we pay
>> for it. Don't get me wrong I think motorola makes the best phones
>> but with no compitition they can charge nextel higher prices which
>> in turn means we pay higher prices.
>
>
> That might be the case with Nextel, but I think the real probelm is
> that most people don't understand the level of technology they carry
> on their belt and how much it costs to cram all of that into a
> package smaller than a deck of cards. Think about this- you can get
> a fully loaded desktop computer for $400-$500, but to get a fully
> loaded laptop costs three times that. With cell phones, most people
> assume that it is too small to cost more than a few dollars to make,
> and yet minaturized technology costs top dollar to develop,
> manufacture and market.
>
> The lack of competition will ultimately change down the road with the
> merger, but that only explains Nextel prices. All of the other
> carriers are feeling the same pain, and they do have multiple vendors
> vying for business. At the end of the day, it costs them all a lot to
> make these phones.
So then the bottom line is that is competition will MAKE them sell phones
cheaper and not the outcry of the consumer. If enough people are unhappy and
refuse to buy this will give the same results. Then we would have to feel
sorry for Nextel because they will be getting screwed buy Motorola even
more. So tell us now. You must be one of those boys that sells Cells at the
mall. The wide eyed teenies that believe they are on their way to the top.
Now I understand where you are coming from. Good luck. I hope you find
plenty of suckers.
- 05-19-2005, 06:58 AM #18Zman53Guest
Re: I'm Coming to Nextel
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 1badss wrote:
> > SS Wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, unless you can contradict the facts, Nextel 1st Quarter
> >> earnings (as
> >> filed with the SEC) show equipment COSTS of $532M and equipment
> >> REVENUES
> >> (not profits) of $352M. Not a secret number, and in line with every
> >> other
> >> cellular provider. Now, if you want to accuse them of padding the
> >> books, I
> >> would caution you by saying that in the current business, political
> >> and
> >> social environment, numbers like these would have been exposed as
> >> frauds
> >> long ago by a press and public keen on hanging the cellular companies
> >> out to
> >> dry. They are a matter of public record- cellular companies pay much
> >> more
> >> for thephones than they sell them for. You don't have to like it,
> >> but unless you can provide proof (not opinion) to the contrary,
> >> these are the
> >> only facts on the table.
> >
> > GOOD POST
>
> Want to buy some swamp land?
>
>
Only if I can pave it over and build a Wal*Mart...
- 05-19-2005, 10:38 AM #19rdmstudioGuest
Re: I'm Coming to Nextel
Just remember that all cell companies have problems. Nextel has many.
But I feel that with the free incoming plan you can save lots of money.
Your first bill will be high because they charge you one month in
advance. So be ready to pay high. Don't forget to get the the insurance
that allows you to walk in and get your phone repaired at no extra
charge. It will cost you only 3.00 per month extra. It is called NSP
coverage. There is also a signal insurance that cost about 5.00 per
month. This covers lost or stolen phones.
Average out how many phone calls you make and how many you receive and
that way you will know how many mins to get on your plan. The free
incoming 500 is a great on if you know how to use it. get people to
call you back so that you can talk as long as you want or need to.
The reason that cell phones drop out is that the towers can only hold
so many calls. And when you leave on tower and go to another it will
drop you if the tower is full. Unlike other cell companies Nextel
towers will talk to each other to see if the nearest one can pick you
up.
I have been with nextel for 5 years and have seen them improve over the
years. They still have a lot of growing to do but I hope that with the
merger between them and Sprint that they will change a few things for
the better. They need to do 7 pm nights. They need to be the first cell
complany to allow you to check your voice mail free of charge from your
cell. They need roll over mins and nextel to nextel mobile. But that is
only my wish.
Hope that I was a help on your decision.
J D Washington
TripleThreat Wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> Well, I just ported my number over to Nextel from Verizon. Even paying
> the
> Verizon ETF of $175. Just orderred the I-830. It looks like if I
> planned
> this right, I can save money in the long run because my Verizon Bill
> is
> really high at times. Verizon is a good carrier, but most of my family
> I
> talk to use either Cingular, whom I hate or Nextel. Can anyone
> provide
> feedback on Nextel in the DC area? Thanks
--
rdmstudio
- 05-19-2005, 05:56 PM #20SSGuest
Re: I'm Coming to Nextel
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> So then the bottom line is that is competition will MAKE them sell phones
> cheaper and not the outcry of the consumer. If enough people are unhappy
and
> refuse to buy this will give the same results.
The market dictates the price. If we lived in a society that could actually
show some financial self-control, that might work. However, all cellular
manufacturers are selling plenty of phones. Where is the incentive to cut
prices.
> Then we would have to feel
> sorry for Nextel because they will be getting screwed buy Motorola even
> more.
Nobody said to feel sorry for anyone- you stated that they artificially
inflate prices. I stated facts that prove otherwise. I'm not sure where
the comprehension of that broke down.
>So tell us now. You must be one of those boys that sells Cells at the
> mall. The wide eyed teenies that believe they are on their way to the top.
Actually, I've been in the workforce for longer than they have been alive
(by quite a few years) and have already worked my way to a position where
the topics being discussed here are part of the job, not just an uneducated
guess or water cooler chat.
>
> Now I understand where you are coming from.
Nah- you don't have a clue of where I'm coming from. And I doubt that you
could.
Good luck. I hope you find
> plenty of suckers.
>
>
I'll leave that job to you.
- 05-19-2005, 06:10 PM #21SSGuest
Re: Stop whining.
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SS wrote:
> > "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> SS wrote:
> >>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince?
> >>>> Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not to many here I
> >>>> bet. I am already a good customer that forks over well over $150.00
> >>>> per month and they will do me a big favor and let me buy a new
> >>>> phone for $500.00. Geee I feel real sorry for those nice people at
> >>>> NEXTEL being forced to charge such an outrageous price.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, unless you can contradict the facts, Nextel 1st Quarter
> >>> earnings (as filed with the SEC) show equipment COSTS of $532M and
> >>> equipment REVENUES (not profits) of $352M. Not a secret number, and
> >>> in line with every other cellular provider. Now, if you want to
> >>> accuse them of padding the books, I would caution you by saying that
> >>> in the current business, political and social environment, numbers
> >>> like these would have been exposed as frauds long ago by a press and
> >>> public keen on hanging the cellular companies out to dry. They are
> >>> a matter of public record- cellular companies pay much more for
> >>> thephones than they sell them for. You don't have to like it, but
> >>> unless you can provide proof (not opinion) to the contrary, these
> >>> are the only facts on the table.
> >>
> >> Maybe you could provide something to back up what you say. Talk IS
> >> cheap no matter how many of the ignorant like your post.
> >
> > You're right- talk is cheap, and the only thing you've provided.
>
>
> Now you are being asinine. I post the facts as even you know them. What
kind
> of link to I need to provide my dissatisfaction bonehead.
What facts did you post? All I saw was an opinion that was directly
contradicted by the FACTS that I posted.
>
> >
> >> Like a link maybe?
> >
> > Nah- if you're such a smart guy, all I'll tell you is that the
> > numbers I quoted are both readily available from the 10-Q filed with
> > the SEC and available on both the SEC and Nextel sites. Actually,
> > all of the major investment newswires will have a link to them as
> > well.
>
> When did I ever try to come off as a smart guy? Another bonehead
statement.
> You are the one that is try to impress everyone.
I'm not trying to impress anyone. You made an incorrect statement and I
corrected it. And from what I'm reading, you seem to be the only one that
has a problem with it.
>You are suppsed to be the
> smart guy not me.
Who said that? The bottom line appears to be that you have a problem being
contradicted.
> Not doing so good little boy.
Your fear of being wrong might make that a better title for you. Besides, I
would be very willing to bet that you're not too far removed from the mall
teenies you refernced in your other post (at least not as far removed as I).
> > >
> >> If Nextel
> >> pays more than the $500 they are asking me for then maybe they
> >> should make a better deal. I seriously doubt Nextel is losing
> >> anything and am well aware how big business cooks figures to say
> >> what ever they like.
> >
> > As you said, talk is cheap. And opinions are worthless when they
> > aren't backed up by any facts. As I said in my last post, for all of
> > the thousands Usenet business experts to spout this opinion (you
> > just being the latest model), I have yet to see any one of them
> > provide any facts. It appears that you will keep that streak intact.
>
>
> I am not the one that has the cheap talk it is you.
I posted facts- you posted opinion without facts.
>What facts am I
> supposed to back up.
None, but that weasn't the request. I asked you for facts to justify your
opinion. I didn't think it was that hard to understand.
>You don't know the prices of the phones and I have to
> provide you with a Nextel link?
Never said that either- please read slower and comprehend the message being
conveyed.
>Now you say my opinion is worthless so if
> you are really such bonehead just let me know what I could possible tell
> such a smart little boy that you don't already know?
I'm more than willing to look at any documentation available that disproves
what I have claimed here- I said that in my original post. Your problem is
that you are far from the first person to make the claim that phone prices
are artificially inflated by the carriers, and NOBODY has been able to
provide more than an opinion to back it up. I post publically available
numbers that show just the opposite and you dismiss them without even
attempting to understand or research them. That is the move of a bonehead.
>You are falling apart
> here and looking more empty headed the more you post.
And again, you seem to be alone on that position.
>Let's not go over the
> top here, I am only complaining about the price of the phones.
And your initial claim has been proven wrong.
>Do you have a
> firm grasp of reality here?
Apparently I'm the only one that does.
>
> >
> > Now, maybe you could enlighten us as to the informational source of
> > your knowledge. IOW, time to put up or shut up.
>
> Once again, what do you need to know? I am not the one with the ass for a
> mouth.
Then why do you come across as having **** for brains?
>
>
- 05-19-2005, 08:19 PM #22JohnGuest
Re: Stop whining.
SS wrote:
> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> SS wrote:
>>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> SS wrote:
>>>>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to
>>>>>> convince? Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not
>>>>>> to many here I bet. I am already a good customer that forks over
>>>>>> well over $150.00 per month and they will do me a big favor and
>>>>>> let me buy a new phone for $500.00. Geee I feel real sorry for
>>>>>> those nice people at NEXTEL being forced to charge such an
>>>>>> outrageous price.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, unless you can contradict the facts, Nextel 1st Quarter
>>>>> earnings (as filed with the SEC) show equipment COSTS of $532M and
>>>>> equipment REVENUES (not profits) of $352M. Not a secret number,
>>>>> and in line with every other cellular provider. Now, if you want
>>>>> to accuse them of padding the books, I would caution you by
>>>>> saying that in the current business, political and social
>>>>> environment, numbers like these would have been exposed as frauds
>>>>> long ago by a press and public keen on hanging the cellular
>>>>> companies out to dry. They are a matter of public record-
>>>>> cellular companies pay much more for thephones than they sell
>>>>> them for. You don't have to like it, but unless you can provide
>>>>> proof (not opinion) to the contrary, these are the only facts on
>>>>> the table.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you could provide something to back up what you say. Talk IS
>>>> cheap no matter how many of the ignorant like your post.
>>>
>>> You're right- talk is cheap, and the only thing you've provided.
>>
>>
>> Now you are being asinine. I post the facts as even you know them.
>> What kind of link to I need to provide my dissatisfaction bonehead.
>
> What facts did you post? All I saw was an opinion that was directly
> contradicted by the FACTS that I posted.
>
>>
>>>
>>>> Like a link maybe?
>>>
>>> Nah- if you're such a smart guy, all I'll tell you is that the
>>> numbers I quoted are both readily available from the 10-Q filed with
>>> the SEC and available on both the SEC and Nextel sites. Actually,
>>> all of the major investment newswires will have a link to them as
>>> well.
>>
>> When did I ever try to come off as a smart guy? Another bonehead
>> statement. You are the one that is try to impress everyone.
>
> I'm not trying to impress anyone. You made an incorrect statement
> and I corrected it. And from what I'm reading, you seem to be the
> only one that has a problem with it.
>
>> You are suppsed to be the
>> smart guy not me.
>
> Who said that? The bottom line appears to be that you have a problem
> being contradicted.
>
>> Not doing so good little boy.
>
> Your fear of being wrong might make that a better title for you.
> Besides, I would be very willing to bet that you're not too far
> removed from the mall teenies you refernced in your other post (at
> least not as far removed as I).
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>> If Nextel
>>>> pays more than the $500 they are asking me for then maybe they
>>>> should make a better deal. I seriously doubt Nextel is losing
>>>> anything and am well aware how big business cooks figures to say
>>>> what ever they like.
>>>
>>> As you said, talk is cheap. And opinions are worthless when they
>>> aren't backed up by any facts. As I said in my last post, for all
>>> of the thousands Usenet business experts to spout this opinion (you
>>> just being the latest model), I have yet to see any one of them
>>> provide any facts. It appears that you will keep that streak
>>> intact.
>>
>>
>> I am not the one that has the cheap talk it is you.
>
> I posted facts- you posted opinion without facts.
>
>> What facts am I
>> supposed to back up.
>
> None, but that weasn't the request. I asked you for facts to justify
> your opinion. I didn't think it was that hard to understand.
>
>> You don't know the prices of the phones and I have to
>> provide you with a Nextel link?
>
> Never said that either- please read slower and comprehend the message
> being conveyed.
>
>> Now you say my opinion is worthless so if
>> you are really such bonehead just let me know what I could possible
>> tell such a smart little boy that you don't already know?
>
> I'm more than willing to look at any documentation available that
> disproves what I have claimed here- I said that in my original post.
> Your problem is that you are far from the first person to make the
> claim that phone prices are artificially inflated by the carriers,
> and NOBODY has been able to provide more than an opinion to back it
> up. I post publically available numbers that show just the opposite
> and you dismiss them without even attempting to understand or
> research them. That is the move of a bonehead.
>
>> You are falling apart
>> here and looking more empty headed the more you post.
>
> And again, you seem to be alone on that position.
>
>> Let's not go over the
>> top here, I am only complaining about the price of the phones.
>
> And your initial claim has been proven wrong.
>
>> Do you have a
>> firm grasp of reality here?
>
> Apparently I'm the only one that does.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Now, maybe you could enlighten us as to the informational source of
>>> your knowledge. IOW, time to put up or shut up.
>>
>> Once again, what do you need to know? I am not the one with the ass
>> for a mouth.
>
> Then why do you come across as having **** for brains?
Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never said they
artificially inflated prices. You are so full of **** and know it now you
are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of your bull **** posts. You are the
one that should back up what you have said. I gave an opinion you posted
baseless bull****. Until you back up what you posted before then all you are
is lame. Grow up and get a real job little boy. Maybe a paper route might
fit your mentality. Over the top a bit little boy. Get a grip.
"Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions here or go
away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling about?
I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up yourself"
This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper asshole. You never
deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall. This type of crap is proof enough for
me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must give a
source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the prices? You are really
falling apart here sonny.
You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in some time.
- 05-19-2005, 09:52 PM #23SSGuest
Re: Stop whining.
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never said they
> artificially inflated prices. You are so full of **** and know it now you
> are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of your bull **** posts. You are
the
> one that should back up what you have said. I gave an opinion you posted
> baseless bull****. Until you back up what you posted before then all you
are
> is lame. Grow up and get a real job little boy. Maybe a paper route might
> fit your mentality. Over the top a bit little boy. Get a grip.
>
> "Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions here or go
> away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling about?
>
> I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up yourself"
> This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper asshole. You never
> deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall.
Neither did you, although it has been quite a number of years since I worked
retail and now have more people reporting under me where I am than the
building you work in.
>This type of crap is proof enough for
> me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must give a
> source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the prices? You are
really
> falling apart here sonny.
How quickly you forget. Your original statement was, "Nextel sells at cost?
Who do you think you are trying to convince? " (taken from your original
post). I pointed out that you were indeed incorrect in this train of
thought. I also asked for any information you might have that backed up
your statement, because nobody has ever been able to contradict the facts as
outlined below. You have continued the streak and decided to resort to lame
personal attacks to deflect attention from your own inability to make a
valid argument. Your side of the discussion went exactly as it always does:
1. Poster claims that the carriers are selling phones at a profit, basing
the post on nothing more than a uneducated hunch. (" Nextel sells at cost?
Who do you think you are trying to convince?")
2. Poster dismisses all information contrary to his view, without the
benefit of even researching the facts presented. ("Want to buy some swamp
land? ")
3. Poster then launches a series of lame personal attacks, which ultimately
show the true IQ and social skills of the poster ("I am not the one with
the ass for a
mouth.")
4. Poster never able to back up their initial claim with anything of any
substance. (still a work in progress for you)
Now, to address your personal attacks- I forgot more about cellular on my
way home today than you have ever known. This might be due to the fact that
I work in the industry (in a non-sales or marketing position) and actually
understand how these things work based on working experience, and don't post
based on a best guess. And before you accuse me of being a Nextel
cheerleader, you might venture over to the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup,
where another rocket scientist is making the same kind of claims about
Sprint. You'll notice that I've provided him with exactly the same type of
information about Sprint. There's a better than even chance that the
billing system your provider uses contains functionality that I recommended,
developed and tested (and this would represent one of the smaller
accomplishments on my resume). That probably causes issues for you, because
it should now be apparent that I am far removed from the picture you have
been trying to portray.
So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research (which
would you be, John?), try this link:
http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/downlo...400&format=PDF
taken from the Nextel site
or maybe this one:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...2122-index.htm
taken from the SEC site
or maybe this one:
http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quo...F%7D&type=1000
3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site
or maybe this one:
http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequenceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF}
taken from the CNN site
All of these contain the information you say doesn't exist, and were found
in less than three minutes. I could provide more, but I already know that
you'll dismiss these because they don't fit your agenda in this thread. And
unless you plan on dismissing all of this and lauching back into personal
attacks, this should represent the end of this thread.
>
> You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in some
time.
>
Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me.
- 05-20-2005, 02:47 AM #24JohnGuest
Re: Stop whining.
SS wrote:
> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never
>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of **** and
>> know it now you are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of your bull
>> **** posts. You are the one that should back up what you have said.
>> I gave an opinion you posted baseless bull****. Until you back up
>> what you posted before then all you are is lame. Grow up and get a
>> real job little boy. Maybe a paper route might fit your mentality.
>> Over the top a bit little boy. Get a grip.
>>
>> "Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions here
>> or go away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling about?
>>
>> I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up
>> yourself" This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper
>> asshole. You never deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall.
>
> Neither did you, although it has been quite a number of years since I
> worked retail and now have more people reporting under me where I am
> than the building you work in.
>
>> This type of crap is proof enough for
>> me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must give
>> a source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the prices? You
>> are really falling apart here sonny.
>
> How quickly you forget. Your original statement was, "Nextel sells
> at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? " (taken from
> your original post). I pointed out that you were indeed incorrect in
> this train of thought. I also asked for any information you might
> have that backed up your statement, because nobody has ever been able
> to contradict the facts as outlined below. You have continued the
> streak and decided to resort to lame personal attacks to deflect
> attention from your own inability to make a valid argument. Your
> side of the discussion went exactly as it always does:
> 1. Poster claims that the carriers are selling phones at a profit,
> basing the post on nothing more than a uneducated hunch. (" Nextel
> sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince?")
> 2. Poster dismisses all information contrary to his view, without the
> benefit of even researching the facts presented. ("Want to buy some
> swamp land? ")
> 3. Poster then launches a series of lame personal attacks, which
> ultimately show the true IQ and social skills of the poster ("I am
> not the one with the ass for a
> mouth.")
> 4. Poster never able to back up their initial claim with anything of
> any substance. (still a work in progress for you)
>
> Now, to address your personal attacks- I forgot more about cellular
> on my way home today than you have ever known. This might be due to
> the fact that I work in the industry (in a non-sales or marketing
> position) and actually understand how these things work based on
> working experience, and don't post based on a best guess. And before
> you accuse me of being a Nextel cheerleader, you might venture over
> to the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup, where another rocket
> scientist is making the same kind of claims about Sprint. You'll
> notice that I've provided him with exactly the same type of
> information about Sprint. There's a better than even chance that the
> billing system your provider uses contains functionality that I
> recommended, developed and tested (and this would represent one of
> the smaller accomplishments on my resume). That probably causes
> issues for you, because it should now be apparent that I am far
> removed from the picture you have been trying to portray.
>
> So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research
> (which would you be, John?), try this link:
>
> http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/downlo...400&format=PDF
> taken from the Nextel site
>
> or maybe this one:
>
> http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...2122-index.htm
> taken from the SEC site
>
> or maybe this one:
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quo...F%7D&type=1000
> 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site
>
> or maybe this one:
>
> http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequenceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF}
> taken from the CNN site
>
> All of these contain the information you say doesn't exist, and were
> found in less than three minutes. I could provide more, but I
> already know that you'll dismiss these because they don't fit your
> agenda in this thread. And unless you plan on dismissing all of this
> and lauching back into personal attacks, this should represent the
> end of this thread.
>>
>> You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in
>> some time.
>>
> Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me.
Why don't you guys give it up. You are both right. Nextel wants almost $500
for the 860 and they may or may not be ripping you off. Either way NEXTEL
really DOES SUCK. They are very misleading in their sales practices. All I
wanted to do was increase the plan to more hours and they wanted me to renew
my contract. I can go on and on but it is not worth it. Nextel fits
corporate America better than the average family plain and simple. This is
why they use Motorola. has been servicing Police dept. all over the nation
and have always been inflated pricing.
- 05-20-2005, 12:10 PM #25Zman53Guest
Re: Stop whining.
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SS wrote:
> > "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>
> >> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never
> >> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of **** and
> >> know it now you are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of your bull
> >> **** posts. You are the one that should back up what you have said.
> >> I gave an opinion you posted baseless bull****. Until you back up
> >> what you posted before then all you are is lame. Grow up and get a
> >> real job little boy. Maybe a paper route might fit your mentality.
> >> Over the top a bit little boy. Get a grip.
> >>
> >> "Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions here
> >> or go away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling about?
> >>
> >> I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up
> >> yourself" This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper
> >> asshole. You never deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall.
> >
> > Neither did you, although it has been quite a number of years since I
> > worked retail and now have more people reporting under me where I am
> > than the building you work in.
> >
> >> This type of crap is proof enough for
> >> me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must give
> >> a source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the prices? You
> >> are really falling apart here sonny.
> >
> > How quickly you forget. Your original statement was, "Nextel sells
> > at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? " (taken from
> > your original post). I pointed out that you were indeed incorrect in
> > this train of thought. I also asked for any information you might
> > have that backed up your statement, because nobody has ever been able
> > to contradict the facts as outlined below. You have continued the
> > streak and decided to resort to lame personal attacks to deflect
> > attention from your own inability to make a valid argument. Your
> > side of the discussion went exactly as it always does:
> > 1. Poster claims that the carriers are selling phones at a profit,
> > basing the post on nothing more than a uneducated hunch. (" Nextel
> > sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince?")
> > 2. Poster dismisses all information contrary to his view, without the
> > benefit of even researching the facts presented. ("Want to buy some
> > swamp land? ")
> > 3. Poster then launches a series of lame personal attacks, which
> > ultimately show the true IQ and social skills of the poster ("I am
> > not the one with the ass for a
> > mouth.")
> > 4. Poster never able to back up their initial claim with anything of
> > any substance. (still a work in progress for you)
> >
> > Now, to address your personal attacks- I forgot more about cellular
> > on my way home today than you have ever known. This might be due to
> > the fact that I work in the industry (in a non-sales or marketing
> > position) and actually understand how these things work based on
> > working experience, and don't post based on a best guess. And before
> > you accuse me of being a Nextel cheerleader, you might venture over
> > to the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup, where another rocket
> > scientist is making the same kind of claims about Sprint. You'll
> > notice that I've provided him with exactly the same type of
> > information about Sprint. There's a better than even chance that the
> > billing system your provider uses contains functionality that I
> > recommended, developed and tested (and this would represent one of
> > the smaller accomplishments on my resume). That probably causes
> > issues for you, because it should now be apparent that I am far
> > removed from the picture you have been trying to portray.
> >
> > So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research
> > (which would you be, John?), try this link:
> >
> >
http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/downlo...400&format=PDF
> > taken from the Nextel site
> >
> > or maybe this one:
> >
> >
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...2122-index.htm
> > taken from the SEC site
> >
> > or maybe this one:
> >
> >
http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quo...F%7D&type=1000
> > 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site
> >
> > or maybe this one:
> >
> >
http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequenceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF}
> > taken from the CNN site
> >
> > All of these contain the information you say doesn't exist, and were
> > found in less than three minutes. I could provide more, but I
> > already know that you'll dismiss these because they don't fit your
> > agenda in this thread. And unless you plan on dismissing all of this
> > and lauching back into personal attacks, this should represent the
> > end of this thread.
> >>
> >> You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in
> >> some time.
> >>
> > Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me.
>
> Why don't you guys give it up. You are both right. Nextel wants almost
$500
> for the 860 and they may or may not be ripping you off. Either way NEXTEL
> really DOES SUCK. They are very misleading in their sales practices. All I
> wanted to do was increase the plan to more hours and they wanted me to
renew
> my contract. I can go on and on but it is not worth it. Nextel fits
> corporate America better than the average family plain and simple. This is
> why they use Motorola. has been servicing Police dept. all over the nation
> and have always been inflated pricing.
>
>
>
So now you're accusing Nextel of being exactly what they have always claimed
to be: A business to business provider. Wow! I'm shocked at that
revelation. Did you figure that out all by your self or did your mommy and
daddy tell you?
As far as why Nextel uses Motorola, you really should read the posts before
you respond. Motorola developed and owns the iDen technology. Nextel did
not seek them out because as you state "have always been inflated pricing"
(I thought they taught grammar and composition in elementary school, but
they must be saving that for middle school now).
- 05-20-2005, 03:03 PM #26JohnGuest
Re: Stop whining.
Zman53 wrote:
> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> SS wrote:
>>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never
>>>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of ****
>>>> and know it now you are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of
>>>> your bull **** posts. You are the one that should back up what you
>>>> have said. I gave an opinion you posted baseless bull****. Until
>>>> you back up what you posted before then all you are is lame. Grow
>>>> up and get a real job little boy. Maybe a paper route might fit
>>>> your mentality. Over the top a bit little boy. Get a grip.
>>>>
>>>> "Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions here
>>>> or go away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling about?
>>>>
>>>> I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up
>>>> yourself" This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper
>>>> asshole. You never deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall.
>>>
>>> Neither did you, although it has been quite a number of years since
>>> I worked retail and now have more people reporting under me where I
>>> am than the building you work in.
>>>
>>>> This type of crap is proof enough for
>>>> me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must
>>>> give a source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the
>>>> prices? You are really falling apart here sonny.
>>>
>>> How quickly you forget. Your original statement was, "Nextel sells
>>> at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? " (taken from
>>> your original post). I pointed out that you were indeed incorrect
>>> in this train of thought. I also asked for any information you
>>> might have that backed up your statement, because nobody has ever
>>> been able to contradict the facts as outlined below. You have
>>> continued the streak and decided to resort to lame personal attacks
>>> to deflect attention from your own inability to make a valid
>>> argument. Your side of the discussion went exactly as it always
>>> does:
>>> 1. Poster claims that the carriers are selling phones at a profit,
>>> basing the post on nothing more than a uneducated hunch. (" Nextel
>>> sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince?")
>>> 2. Poster dismisses all information contrary to his view, without
>>> the benefit of even researching the facts presented. ("Want to buy
>>> some swamp land? ")
>>> 3. Poster then launches a series of lame personal attacks, which
>>> ultimately show the true IQ and social skills of the poster ("I am
>>> not the one with the ass for a
>>> mouth.")
>>> 4. Poster never able to back up their initial claim with anything
>>> of any substance. (still a work in progress for you)
>>>
>>> Now, to address your personal attacks- I forgot more about cellular
>>> on my way home today than you have ever known. This might be due to
>>> the fact that I work in the industry (in a non-sales or marketing
>>> position) and actually understand how these things work based on
>>> working experience, and don't post based on a best guess. And
>>> before you accuse me of being a Nextel cheerleader, you might
>>> venture over to the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup, where another
>>> rocket scientist is making the same kind of claims about Sprint.
>>> You'll notice that I've provided him with exactly the same type of
>>> information about Sprint. There's a better than even chance that
>>> the billing system your provider uses contains functionality that I
>>> recommended, developed and tested (and this would represent one of
>>> the smaller accomplishments on my resume). That probably causes
>>> issues for you, because it should now be apparent that I am far
>>> removed from the picture you have been trying to portray.
>>>
>>> So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research
>>> (which would you be, John?), try this link:
>>>
>>>
> http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/downlo...400&format=PDF
>>> taken from the Nextel site
>>>
>>> or maybe this one:
>>>
>>>
> http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...2122-index.htm
>>> taken from the SEC site
>>>
>>> or maybe this one:
>>>
>>>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quo...F%7D&type=1000
>>> 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site
>>>
>>> or maybe this one:
>>>
>>>
> http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequenceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF}
>>> taken from the CNN site
>>>
>>> All of these contain the information you say doesn't exist, and were
>>> found in less than three minutes. I could provide more, but I
>>> already know that you'll dismiss these because they don't fit your
>>> agenda in this thread. And unless you plan on dismissing all of
>>> this and lauching back into personal attacks, this should represent
>>> the end of this thread.
>>>>
>>>> You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in
>>>> some time.
>>>>
>>> Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me.
>>
>> Why don't you guys give it up. You are both right. Nextel wants
>> almost $500 for the 860 and they may or may not be ripping you off.
>> Either way NEXTEL really DOES SUCK. They are very misleading in
>> their sales practices. All I wanted to do was increase the plan to
>> more hours and they wanted me to renew my contract. I can go on and
>> on but it is not worth it. Nextel fits corporate America better than
>> the average family plain and simple. This is why they use Motorola.
>> has been servicing Police dept. all over the nation and have always
>> been inflated pricing.
>>
>>
>>
> So now you're accusing Nextel of being exactly what they have always
> claimed to be: A business to business provider. Wow! I'm shocked
> at that revelation. Did you figure that out all by your self or did
> your mommy and daddy tell you?
>
> As far as why Nextel uses Motorola, you really should read the posts
> before you respond. Motorola developed and owns the iDen technology.
> Nextel did not seek them out because as you state "have always been
> inflated pricing" (I thought they taught grammar and composition in
> elementary school, but they must be saving that for middle school
> now).
I for one don't really give a **** about you Nextel trolls. The fact
remains that Nextel is the biggest rip-off of all the providers plain and
simple. They lie at the at the malls with the sales trolls that eventually
turn into bigger liars in the end. If you think I am alone in my opinion you
are more ignorant than you are showing now. I have received call from you
****s trying to con me into more crap with your lies. I can post someone's
name and cell number from Nextel that gave me a line about a deal of an i730
that was bogus. They called me to tell me they were GIVING me another 100
minutes for free because I was a 'Nice Guy' to find out that they changed my
plan and illuminated other features. If you believe I am making this up then
you are again fools. I suppose you think I am here just for the fun of
listening to you lying ****heads then knock your selves out. The others
reading this will understand that I am here with honest complaints. So go
ahead and try to fool the ignorant ones but you will not fool the ones that
really know.
Good luck with your future as being the low life used car sales men type
and smile as you **** the little people.
- 05-20-2005, 05:02 PM #27Zman53Guest
Re: Stop whining.
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Zman53 wrote:
> > "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> SS wrote:
> >>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never
> >>>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of ****
> >>>> and know it now you are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of
> >>>> your bull **** posts. You are the one that should back up what you
> >>>> have said. I gave an opinion you posted baseless bull****. Until
> >>>> you back up what you posted before then all you are is lame. Grow
> >>>> up and get a real job little boy. Maybe a paper route might fit
> >>>> your mentality. Over the top a bit little boy. Get a grip.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions here
> >>>> or go away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling about?
> >>>>
> >>>> I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up
> >>>> yourself" This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper
> >>>> asshole. You never deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall.
> >>>
> >>> Neither did you, although it has been quite a number of years since
> >>> I worked retail and now have more people reporting under me where I
> >>> am than the building you work in.
> >>>
> >>>> This type of crap is proof enough for
> >>>> me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must
> >>>> give a source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the
> >>>> prices? You are really falling apart here sonny.
> >>>
> >>> How quickly you forget. Your original statement was, "Nextel sells
> >>> at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? " (taken from
> >>> your original post). I pointed out that you were indeed incorrect
> >>> in this train of thought. I also asked for any information you
> >>> might have that backed up your statement, because nobody has ever
> >>> been able to contradict the facts as outlined below. You have
> >>> continued the streak and decided to resort to lame personal attacks
> >>> to deflect attention from your own inability to make a valid
> >>> argument. Your side of the discussion went exactly as it always
> >>> does:
> >>> 1. Poster claims that the carriers are selling phones at a profit,
> >>> basing the post on nothing more than a uneducated hunch. (" Nextel
> >>> sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince?")
> >>> 2. Poster dismisses all information contrary to his view, without
> >>> the benefit of even researching the facts presented. ("Want to buy
> >>> some swamp land? ")
> >>> 3. Poster then launches a series of lame personal attacks, which
> >>> ultimately show the true IQ and social skills of the poster ("I am
> >>> not the one with the ass for a
> >>> mouth.")
> >>> 4. Poster never able to back up their initial claim with anything
> >>> of any substance. (still a work in progress for you)
> >>>
> >>> Now, to address your personal attacks- I forgot more about cellular
> >>> on my way home today than you have ever known. This might be due to
> >>> the fact that I work in the industry (in a non-sales or marketing
> >>> position) and actually understand how these things work based on
> >>> working experience, and don't post based on a best guess. And
> >>> before you accuse me of being a Nextel cheerleader, you might
> >>> venture over to the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup, where another
> >>> rocket scientist is making the same kind of claims about Sprint.
> >>> You'll notice that I've provided him with exactly the same type of
> >>> information about Sprint. There's a better than even chance that
> >>> the billing system your provider uses contains functionality that I
> >>> recommended, developed and tested (and this would represent one of
> >>> the smaller accomplishments on my resume). That probably causes
> >>> issues for you, because it should now be apparent that I am far
> >>> removed from the picture you have been trying to portray.
> >>>
> >>> So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research
> >>> (which would you be, John?), try this link:
> >>>
> >>>
> >
http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/downlo...400&format=PDF
> >>> taken from the Nextel site
> >>>
> >>> or maybe this one:
> >>>
> >>>
> >
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...2122-index.htm
> >>> taken from the SEC site
> >>>
> >>> or maybe this one:
> >>>
> >>>
> >
http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quo...F%7D&type=1000
> >>> 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site
> >>>
> >>> or maybe this one:
> >>>
> >>>
> >
http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequenceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF}
> >>> taken from the CNN site
> >>>
> >>> All of these contain the information you say doesn't exist, and were
> >>> found in less than three minutes. I could provide more, but I
> >>> already know that you'll dismiss these because they don't fit your
> >>> agenda in this thread. And unless you plan on dismissing all of
> >>> this and lauching back into personal attacks, this should represent
> >>> the end of this thread.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in
> >>>> some time.
> >>>>
> >>> Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me.
> >>
> >> Why don't you guys give it up. You are both right. Nextel wants
> >> almost $500 for the 860 and they may or may not be ripping you off.
> >> Either way NEXTEL really DOES SUCK. They are very misleading in
> >> their sales practices. All I wanted to do was increase the plan to
> >> more hours and they wanted me to renew my contract. I can go on and
> >> on but it is not worth it. Nextel fits corporate America better than
> >> the average family plain and simple. This is why they use Motorola.
> >> has been servicing Police dept. all over the nation and have always
> >> been inflated pricing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > So now you're accusing Nextel of being exactly what they have always
> > claimed to be: A business to business provider. Wow! I'm shocked
> > at that revelation. Did you figure that out all by your self or did
> > your mommy and daddy tell you?
> >
> > As far as why Nextel uses Motorola, you really should read the posts
> > before you respond. Motorola developed and owns the iDen technology.
> > Nextel did not seek them out because as you state "have always been
> > inflated pricing" (I thought they taught grammar and composition in
> > elementary school, but they must be saving that for middle school
> > now).
>
> I for one don't really give a **** about you Nextel trolls. The fact
> remains that Nextel is the biggest rip-off of all the providers plain and
> simple. They lie at the at the malls with the sales trolls that eventually
> turn into bigger liars in the end. If you think I am alone in my opinion
you
> are more ignorant than you are showing now. I have received call from you
> ****s trying to con me into more crap with your lies. I can post someone's
> name and cell number from Nextel that gave me a line about a deal of an
i730
> that was bogus. They called me to tell me they were GIVING me another 100
> minutes for free because I was a 'Nice Guy' to find out that they changed
my
> plan and illuminated other features. If you believe I am making this up
then
> you are again fools. I suppose you think I am here just for the fun of
> listening to you lying ****heads then knock your selves out. The others
> reading this will understand that I am here with honest complaints. So go
> ahead and try to fool the ignorant ones but you will not fool the ones
that
> really know.
>
> Good luck with your future as being the low life used car sales men type
> and smile as you **** the little people.
>
>
>
Sorry to disappoint you John, I am not a Nextel sales person, just an
informed customer. With an average monthly cost of $70 for a phone, Caveat
Emptor is something to keep in mind. If these people have made false claims
or bogus offers, sue them. I recommend you have actual facts though, not
the terminological inexactitudes you readily spew as fact.
- 05-20-2005, 05:18 PM #28JohnGuest
Re: Stop whining.
Zman53 wrote:
> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Zman53 wrote:
>>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> SS wrote:
>>>>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never
>>>>>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of ****
>>>>>> and know it now you are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of
>>>>>> your bull **** posts. You are the one that should back up what
>>>>>> you have said. I gave an opinion you posted baseless bull****.
>>>>>> Until you back up what you posted before then all you are is
>>>>>> lame. Grow up and get a real job little boy. Maybe a paper route
>>>>>> might fit your mentality. Over the top a bit little boy. Get a
>>>>>> grip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions
>>>>>> here or go away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling
>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up
>>>>>> yourself" This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper
>>>>>> asshole. You never deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither did you, although it has been quite a number of years
>>>>> since I worked retail and now have more people reporting under me
>>>>> where I am than the building you work in.
>>>>>
>>>>>> This type of crap is proof enough for
>>>>>> me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must
>>>>>> give a source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the
>>>>>> prices? You are really falling apart here sonny.
>>>>>
>>>>> How quickly you forget. Your original statement was, "Nextel
>>>>> sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? "
>>>>> (taken from your original post). I pointed out that you were
>>>>> indeed incorrect in this train of thought. I also asked for any
>>>>> information you might have that backed up your statement, because
>>>>> nobody has ever been able to contradict the facts as outlined
>>>>> below. You have continued the streak and decided to resort to
>>>>> lame personal attacks to deflect attention from your own
>>>>> inability to make a valid argument. Your side of the discussion
>>>>> went exactly as it always does:
>>>>> 1. Poster claims that the carriers are selling phones at a
>>>>> profit, basing the post on nothing more than a uneducated hunch.
>>>>> (" Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to
>>>>> convince?")
>>>>> 2. Poster dismisses all information contrary to his view, without
>>>>> the benefit of even researching the facts presented. ("Want to
>>>>> buy some swamp land? ")
>>>>> 3. Poster then launches a series of lame personal attacks, which
>>>>> ultimately show the true IQ and social skills of the poster ("I
>>>>> am not the one with the ass for a
>>>>> mouth.")
>>>>> 4. Poster never able to back up their initial claim with anything
>>>>> of any substance. (still a work in progress for you)
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to address your personal attacks- I forgot more about
>>>>> cellular on my way home today than you have ever known. This
>>>>> might be due to the fact that I work in the industry (in a
>>>>> non-sales or marketing position) and actually understand how
>>>>> these things work based on working experience, and don't post
>>>>> based on a best guess. And before you accuse me of being a
>>>>> Nextel cheerleader, you might venture over to the
>>>>> alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup, where another rocket scientist
>>>>> is making the same kind of claims about Sprint. You'll notice
>>>>> that I've provided him with exactly the same type of information
>>>>> about Sprint. There's a better than even chance that the billing
>>>>> system your provider uses contains functionality that I
>>>>> recommended, developed and tested (and this would represent one
>>>>> of the smaller accomplishments on my resume). That probably
>>>>> causes issues for you, because it should now be apparent that I
>>>>> am far removed from the picture you have been trying to portray.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research
>>>>> (which would you be, John?), try this link:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/downlo...400&format=PDF
>>>>> taken from the Nextel site
>>>>>
>>>>> or maybe this one:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...2122-index.htm
>>>>> taken from the SEC site
>>>>>
>>>>> or maybe this one:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quo...F%7D&type=1000
>>>>> 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site
>>>>>
>>>>> or maybe this one:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequenceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF}
>>>>> taken from the CNN site
>>>>>
>>>>> All of these contain the information you say doesn't exist, and
>>>>> were found in less than three minutes. I could provide more, but
>>>>> I already know that you'll dismiss these because they don't fit
>>>>> your agenda in this thread. And unless you plan on dismissing
>>>>> all of this and lauching back into personal attacks, this should
>>>>> represent the end of this thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in
>>>>>> some time.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you guys give it up. You are both right. Nextel wants
>>>> almost $500 for the 860 and they may or may not be ripping you off.
>>>> Either way NEXTEL really DOES SUCK. They are very misleading in
>>>> their sales practices. All I wanted to do was increase the plan to
>>>> more hours and they wanted me to renew my contract. I can go on and
>>>> on but it is not worth it. Nextel fits corporate America better
>>>> than the average family plain and simple. This is why they use
>>>> Motorola. has been servicing Police dept. all over the nation and
>>>> have always been inflated pricing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So now you're accusing Nextel of being exactly what they have always
>>> claimed to be: A business to business provider. Wow! I'm shocked
>>> at that revelation. Did you figure that out all by your self or did
>>> your mommy and daddy tell you?
>>>
>>> As far as why Nextel uses Motorola, you really should read the posts
>>> before you respond. Motorola developed and owns the iDen
>>> technology. Nextel did not seek them out because as you state "have
>>> always been inflated pricing" (I thought they taught grammar and
>>> composition in elementary school, but they must be saving that for
>>> middle school now).
>>
>> I for one don't really give a **** about you Nextel trolls. The fact
>> remains that Nextel is the biggest rip-off of all the providers
>> plain and simple. They lie at the at the malls with the sales trolls
>> that eventually turn into bigger liars in the end. If you think I am
>> alone in my opinion you are more ignorant than you are showing now.
>> I have received call from you ****s trying to con me into more crap
>> with your lies. I can post someone's name and cell number from
>> Nextel that gave me a line about a deal of an i730 that was bogus.
>> They called me to tell me they were GIVING me another 100 minutes
>> for free because I was a 'Nice Guy' to find out that they changed my
>> plan and illuminated other features. If you believe I am making this
>> up then you are again fools. I suppose you think I am here just for
>> the fun of listening to you lying ****heads then knock your selves
>> out. The others reading this will understand that I am here with
>> honest complaints. So go ahead and try to fool the ignorant ones but
>> you will not fool the ones that really know.
>>
>> Good luck with your future as being the low life used car sales men
>> type and smile as you **** the little people.
>>
>>
>>
> Sorry to disappoint you John, I am not a Nextel sales person, just an
> informed customer. With an average monthly cost of $70 for a phone,
> Caveat Emptor is something to keep in mind. If these people have
> made false claims or bogus offers, sue them. I recommend you have
> actual facts though, not the terminological inexactitudes you readily
> spew as fact.
Sorry for the case of mistaken identity but there are many Nextel trolls
posing as honest people. I started out with that size bill but when I wanted
to upgrade my plan they insisted I sign a whole new contract for another
year. I wanted to buy more time and more than double my monthly bill but
they insisted I MUST do as they demand. Just anther outrageous scheme. If
the Nextel trolls can explain any fair logic with this one I am sure many
would like to read about it. NO? I am sure they will say I am again making
this up.
NexTime.....I love that one...I will have to use it and thank the poster
that made this analogy.
- 05-20-2005, 07:25 PM #29ThomasGuest
Re: Stop whining.
ok, I have read this posting long enough to have a bit of humor. So time to
set the record on it. technically Nextel sells at below cost. With a new
activation and with a 2 yr upgrade, they typically don't start making money
until towards the end of the 1st yr. How do I know you may ask. Well I work
for the big N. Yes I get a reduced rate plans on my personal family phones
"meaning no more than 2" but take for example "But I have to pay the actual
cost of the phone from Motorola. But not only are they taking a hit on the
cost on the phone, but another factor is the commission of the sales rep.
and in so other formula I have no idea...the cost of marketing to get you to
actually go with Nextel. Motorola does offer spiffs, to get them to sell
additional phones and that is why you see price drops. Take this info for
what it is worth, needless to say believe me or not...it's choice and this
is the truth. The trick to solve this is to go on eBay or find a person who
no longer has service or a phone they don't want and use that. That's what I
have had to do......why I agree I am not paying that much for a phone that
does not have that great of signal reception. Just curious what is wrong
with your i730, I maybe able to help you get it back up and running.
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Zman53 wrote:
>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Zman53 wrote:
>>>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> SS wrote:
>>>>>> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never
>>>>>>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of ****
>>>>>>> and know it now you are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of
>>>>>>> your bull **** posts. You are the one that should back up what
>>>>>>> you have said. I gave an opinion you posted baseless bull****.
>>>>>>> Until you back up what you posted before then all you are is
>>>>>>> lame. Grow up and get a real job little boy. Maybe a paper route
>>>>>>> might fit your mentality. Over the top a bit little boy. Get a
>>>>>>> grip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions
>>>>>>> here or go away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling
>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up
>>>>>>> yourself" This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper
>>>>>>> asshole. You never deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither did you, although it has been quite a number of years
>>>>>> since I worked retail and now have more people reporting under me
>>>>>> where I am than the building you work in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This type of crap is proof enough for
>>>>>>> me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must
>>>>>>> give a source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the
>>>>>>> prices? You are really falling apart here sonny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How quickly you forget. Your original statement was, "Nextel
>>>>>> sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? "
>>>>>> (taken from your original post). I pointed out that you were
>>>>>> indeed incorrect in this train of thought. I also asked for any
>>>>>> information you might have that backed up your statement, because
>>>>>> nobody has ever been able to contradict the facts as outlined
>>>>>> below. You have continued the streak and decided to resort to
>>>>>> lame personal attacks to deflect attention from your own
>>>>>> inability to make a valid argument. Your side of the discussion
>>>>>> went exactly as it always does:
>>>>>> 1. Poster claims that the carriers are selling phones at a
>>>>>> profit, basing the post on nothing more than a uneducated hunch.
>>>>>> (" Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to
>>>>>> convince?")
>>>>>> 2. Poster dismisses all information contrary to his view, without
>>>>>> the benefit of even researching the facts presented. ("Want to
>>>>>> buy some swamp land? ")
>>>>>> 3. Poster then launches a series of lame personal attacks, which
>>>>>> ultimately show the true IQ and social skills of the poster ("I
>>>>>> am not the one with the ass for a
>>>>>> mouth.")
>>>>>> 4. Poster never able to back up their initial claim with anything
>>>>>> of any substance. (still a work in progress for you)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to address your personal attacks- I forgot more about
>>>>>> cellular on my way home today than you have ever known. This
>>>>>> might be due to the fact that I work in the industry (in a
>>>>>> non-sales or marketing position) and actually understand how
>>>>>> these things work based on working experience, and don't post
>>>>>> based on a best guess. And before you accuse me of being a
>>>>>> Nextel cheerleader, you might venture over to the
>>>>>> alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup, where another rocket scientist
>>>>>> is making the same kind of claims about Sprint. You'll notice
>>>>>> that I've provided him with exactly the same type of information
>>>>>> about Sprint. There's a better than even chance that the billing
>>>>>> system your provider uses contains functionality that I
>>>>>> recommended, developed and tested (and this would represent one
>>>>>> of the smaller accomplishments on my resume). That probably
>>>>>> causes issues for you, because it should now be apparent that I
>>>>>> am far removed from the picture you have been trying to portray.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research
>>>>>> (which would you be, John?), try this link:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/downlo...400&format=PDF
>>>>>> taken from the Nextel site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or maybe this one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...2122-index.htm
>>>>>> taken from the SEC site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or maybe this one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quo...F%7D&type=1000
>>>>>> 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or maybe this one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequenceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF}
>>>>>> taken from the CNN site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of these contain the information you say doesn't exist, and
>>>>>> were found in less than three minutes. I could provide more, but
>>>>>> I already know that you'll dismiss these because they don't fit
>>>>>> your agenda in this thread. And unless you plan on dismissing
>>>>>> all of this and lauching back into personal attacks, this should
>>>>>> represent the end of this thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in
>>>>>>> some time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you guys give it up. You are both right. Nextel wants
>>>>> almost $500 for the 860 and they may or may not be ripping you off.
>>>>> Either way NEXTEL really DOES SUCK. They are very misleading in
>>>>> their sales practices. All I wanted to do was increase the plan to
>>>>> more hours and they wanted me to renew my contract. I can go on and
>>>>> on but it is not worth it. Nextel fits corporate America better
>>>>> than the average family plain and simple. This is why they use
>>>>> Motorola. has been servicing Police dept. all over the nation and
>>>>> have always been inflated pricing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So now you're accusing Nextel of being exactly what they have always
>>>> claimed to be: A business to business provider. Wow! I'm shocked
>>>> at that revelation. Did you figure that out all by your self or did
>>>> your mommy and daddy tell you?
>>>>
>>>> As far as why Nextel uses Motorola, you really should read the posts
>>>> before you respond. Motorola developed and owns the iDen
>>>> technology. Nextel did not seek them out because as you state "have
>>>> always been inflated pricing" (I thought they taught grammar and
>>>> composition in elementary school, but they must be saving that for
>>>> middle school now).
>>>
>>> I for one don't really give a **** about you Nextel trolls. The fact
>>> remains that Nextel is the biggest rip-off of all the providers
>>> plain and simple. They lie at the at the malls with the sales trolls
>>> that eventually turn into bigger liars in the end. If you think I am
>>> alone in my opinion you are more ignorant than you are showing now.
>>> I have received call from you ****s trying to con me into more crap
>>> with your lies. I can post someone's name and cell number from
>>> Nextel that gave me a line about a deal of an i730 that was bogus.
>>> They called me to tell me they were GIVING me another 100 minutes
>>> for free because I was a 'Nice Guy' to find out that they changed my
>>> plan and illuminated other features. If you believe I am making this
>>> up then you are again fools. I suppose you think I am here just for
>>> the fun of listening to you lying ****heads then knock your selves
>>> out. The others reading this will understand that I am here with
>>> honest complaints. So go ahead and try to fool the ignorant ones but
>>> you will not fool the ones that really know.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your future as being the low life used car sales men
>>> type and smile as you **** the little people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry to disappoint you John, I am not a Nextel sales person, just an
>> informed customer. With an average monthly cost of $70 for a phone,
>> Caveat Emptor is something to keep in mind. If these people have
>> made false claims or bogus offers, sue them. I recommend you have
>> actual facts though, not the terminological inexactitudes you readily
>> spew as fact.
>
> Sorry for the case of mistaken identity but there are many Nextel trolls
> posing as honest people. I started out with that size bill but when I
> wanted to upgrade my plan they insisted I sign a whole new contract for
> another year. I wanted to buy more time and more than double my monthly
> bill but they insisted I MUST do as they demand. Just anther outrageous
> scheme. If the Nextel trolls can explain any fair logic with this one I am
> sure many would like to read about it. NO? I am sure they will say I am
> again making this up.
>
> NexTime.....I love that one...I will have to use it and thank the poster
> that made this analogy.
>
>
>
>
>
- 05-21-2005, 04:15 AM #30JimmyGuest
Re: Stop whining.
Thomas wrote:
> ok, I have read this posting long enough to have a bit of humor. So
> time to set the record on it. technically Nextel sells at below cost.
> With a new activation and with a 2 yr upgrade, they typically don't
> start making money until towards the end of the 1st yr. How do I know
> you may ask. Well I work for the big N. Yes I get a reduced rate
> plans on my personal family phones "meaning no more than 2" but take
> for example "But I have to pay the actual cost of the phone from
> Motorola. But not only are they taking a hit on the cost on the
> phone, but another factor is the commission of the sales rep. and in
> so other formula I have no idea...the cost of marketing to get you to
> actually go with Nextel. Motorola does offer spiffs, to get them to
> sell additional phones and that is why you see price drops. Take this
> info for what it is worth, needless to say believe me or not...it's
> choice and this is the truth. The trick to solve this is to go on
> eBay or find a person who no longer has service or a phone they don't
> want and use that. That's what I have had to do......why I agree I am
> not paying that much for a phone that does not have that great of
> signal reception. Just curious what is wrong with your i730, I maybe
> able to help you get it back up and running.
I had troubles with the i730 I first received and learned these were
problematic to begin with and needed the fix. I was unable to apply this as
my user is out of state and would remain so from that point on. I requested
a new phone be shipped and was refused with no option to apply working
hardware to my user. A minor child with no knowledge to help herself she
was left in the lurch with faulty equipment. I have also heard of other
rushed out models that may have had problems. I know some would say this is
not the fault of Nextel but one of the phone manufacturer Motorola but I see
this as passing the buck onto the end user and a complete lack of
responsibility. I have moved on to the i860 with no reduced cost for my
trouble and somehow feel Nextel could have been a bit more compassionate.
WHAT WAS I THINKING?
Jimmy
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