Swithched to Verizon PTT

George wrote:
> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>> Big Bob wrote:
>>
>>> I am completely confused. Taking into account all the different ways
>>> that one uses PTT, what kind of business do you have to be in where
>>> 15 seconds are a life or death matter?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nextel markets to municipalities and other political organizations
>> that run emergency services (for example, fire/police departments). In
>> such cases, you'd better believe 15 seconds can be the difference
>> between life and death.
>
>
>
> I guess those municipalities don't ask many questions. Nextel forgets
> little stuff like emergency generators at many of their sites.

I don't know how many municipalities have actually SIGNED UP with Nextel;
I'm just saying Nextel markets to them.


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However you have to hope that your NEXTEL works when you need it. It's a
very poor antiquated system . They are overloaded with Boost Mobile. Funny
thing happened today for example. I was sitting right next to a current
Nextel user. I'm sure you are extremely aware of the annoying Nextel noise
that the phone makes when the system is screwed up and you can't get
through. Well there I am just PTT away with my new Verizon VX4700. The
call was going through just smoothly as it has the last four days that I had
it activated. No busy signals! No User Not Available messages. No stand by
while the Nextel user your trying to reach is located. I'm sure all you
Nextel users all heard that before! My calls just go right on through the
way a service that I am paying for should. I am very sure that there is
going to be a big pile of JUNK NEXTEL'S somewhere soon. Just wait till
Verizon starts the advertising campaign again. LOL!!!


"SS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Jimmie James" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:eNKte.5577$R6.5255@trndny04:
>>
>> > CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!! 2 Thumbs Up for Verizon!!!
>> >
>> >
>>
>> One more question....please.
>>
>> Why would anyone, on any company, use a PTT walkie talkie, even if it
>> worked perfect, holding a perfectly-great-working FULL DUPLEX telephone
>> in
>> their hands with a built-in speakerphone?? Is this some kind of retro
>> novelty or trend-setting statement?
>>
>> I've been using PTT on ham and 2-way radios since 1957. I was 11, by the
>> way. I don't see why anyone would want to use it...
>>
>
> Try this- you need to contact an associate to get numbers for a
> presentation
> and you are not at your desk. You contact your associate (who is also not
> at
> his desk) and he says he'll get them for you as soon as he returns. Once
> at
> his desk, he contacts you to get specifics and contacts you an hour later
> with the numbers.
>
> In the cellular world, you have each burned a minimum of 4 minutes of call
> time to accomplish this simple task. Multiply this by a fair number of
> these calls a month and you have effectively burned through most of your
> plan minutes. Last I knew, Nextel billed PTT in 6 second increments,
> which
> means that the 4 minutes of cellular could be as little as 1 minute of PTT
> time or less. Much more cost effective.
>
> Now, take the same situation, except that your associate is at his desk
> and
> you need the numbers absolutely ASAP. He takes the time to find the
> numbers
> while you wait.
>
> In the cellular world, you are again spending minutes, only this time most
> of them are spent on an unproductive hold. With PTT, your phone is only
> tied up and billed when you are actually using it.
>
> Finally, take the scenario a step further and you have to report the
> numbers
> to a group of company executives (remember, you are not at your desk). In
> the cellular world, you can make a number of individual calls to convey
> the
> information. With PTT, you can make a single announcement.
>
> Despite your own lack of understanding of the efficiencies, it is actually
> a
> very effective tool in the business world. The fact that the technology
> is
> not cutting edge has no bearing on its usefullness.
>
>

Maybe when it works!!!
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Very well said but from the financial side of things, Verizon attempts
> to compete by having free in network calls. Nextel has unlimited
> direct connect. So the competitive business makes the prices go down.
>
> I think the problem with Verizon PTT is people don't understand the
> need for PTT. People that think Verizon PTT is adequte are people that
> don't really need PTT. In my business, I can get things done much much
> faster with Nextel PTT than any other type of service.
>

Right on Pal!!!


"iRadioChicago" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The Bottom line is Nextel cell service has been getting worse every year
> ( I had them for ten ) Most people I talk to with Nextel state that the
> novelty of it has gone away. With the price of cell minutes going down
> using the cell part of the phone is more logical. Sorry Nextel but I tried
> and I for one cannot take CALL FAILED or USER BUSY IN DATA no more... - Me
> "Jimmy D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%g2ue.10635$tG.241@trnddc05...
>> Ok, I have had the Verizon PTT for three days. The PTT works flawlessly.
>> No garbled transmissions yet. Works everywhere that I have went over the
>> last three days. Phila, NJ and DE. Can't say that for the Nextel I had
>> for the last 5 years. I am very satisfied with the PTT and recommend
>> that all Nextel users give the Verizon 15 day trial a try. I believe you
>> too will not be disappointed and will make the switch. Don't knock it
>> till you try it!!!!!
>>
>>
>> "Jimmy D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> newshyte.21723$qr1.8628@trndny07...
>>> Well I finally made the switch from Nextel to Verizon. Here is the
>>> deal......
>>>
>>> Verizon's initial connect time is approximately 2 Seconds then nearly
>>> instant after that. I can use it in my house. Big plus over Nextel as
>>> I would have no service displayed on the screen most of the time.
>>> Verizon PTT is by far HANDS DOWN Clearer than Nextel.
>>>
>>> 2 THUMBS UP to Verizon. Great job. IMHO once Verizon advertises their
>>> PTT and people see that it is much improved over their first rollout I
>>> believe that Nextel will lose market share quickly. Go VERIZON!!!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

15 Seconds? Are you kidding me? The longest delay I have had with the tests
over the last four days was the initial connection at 7, that's right, SEVEN
SECONDS then 1 second back and forth. Maybe when the Verizon service first
came out in 2003 you had a 15 second delay between transmissions, but not
now. You need to be a little more informed before you make false statements
like that.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> -- snip --
> Don't knock it till you try
> it!!!!!
> -- snip ---
>
> I did try it so I will knock it. 15 seconds connect time just does not
> cut it for people who need a true PTT.
> The verizon ptt is not meant for serious customers who need a true PTT.
> Verizon knows this too and thats why you don't see commercials and
> marketing campaigns that show off the PTT.
>

Thank God for Nextel that Verizon has not started advertising yet. Then
they would live up to their logo -- NEXTEL -- DONE!!!!!!!
"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> -- snip --
>> Don't knock it till you try
>> it!!!!!
>> -- snip ---
>>
>> I did try it so I will knock it. 15 seconds connect time
>> just does not cut it for people who need a true PTT.
>> The verizon ptt is not meant for serious customers who
>> need a true PTT. Verizon knows this too and thats why
>> you don't see commercials and marketing campaigns that
>> show off the PTT.
>
> Now that you mention it, I'd forgotten about VZW PTT
> after the first go round on this group. I can't remember
> seeing a single ad.
>
> -Quick
>
>

LMFAO!!!!! He He He



"Big Bob" <nolanr*@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I did try it so I will knock it. 15 seconds connect time just does
>> not cut it for people who need a true PTT. The verizon ptt is not
>> meant for serious customers who need a true PTT.
>> Verizon knows this too and thats why you don't see commercials and
>> marketing campaigns that show off the PTT.
>
> Wha!?!?!?!?
>
> I am completely confused. Taking into account all the different ways
> that one uses PTT, what kind of business do you have to be in where 15
> seconds are a life or death matter?
>
> Need sales numbers from an associate for a presentation? Need to let
> your secretary know you will be tied up in a meeting all afternoon? Need
> to call your wife to bring you new pants cause youcrapped the ones you
> are wearing? Need to talk to the boss about a problem with the
> blueprints? Need to tell your lunch buddy to order you a triple w/
> cheese with double everything on it and a large artery clogging batch of
> deep fat fried obesity inducing charred to a crisp and salted to the
> hilt tasteless potato strips? Need to call all your past sexual partners
> and let them know you got the clap?
>
> How on God's green earth does that 15 seconds matter?
>
> I feel that those who are sucking wind about the connect time are
> whining about a problem that doesn't exist. This is valuing the tires
> of the car more than the engine. No engine no go. No tires, slow
> going, but you will get somewhere.
>
> I have been reading this thread laughing. I have used both services,
> and I can tell you this much. Screw PTT. Pick up the dang phone and
> talk for a change.
>
> It is amazing how this technology has devolved into making a cellular
> device into a CB Radio and then whining about quality, range and connect
> time.
>
> Does anyone in this stupid fight realize that the device you hold in
> your hand takes your voice, digitally encrypts it and transmits it to a
> tower that you cant see, then receives incoming data, decrypts it into
> an analog wave and pumps it through a tiny speaker? Stinking incredible
> if you ask me!
>
> Do whatever you want, but understand that you are using an incredible
> technology. The fact that either of the PTT technologies even work
> without any visible wiring is a miracle in and of itself.
>
> BigBob
>

Very, Very Well Said!

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> There is no question of whether VZ has the speed of connect that Nextel
> does.
>
> As long as the build-out is adequate for good 800MHz radio coms, Nextel
> has provided intelligible results in some areas.
>
> If there is a need for PTT (or Cellular) services where intelligible
> results all the time, the VZ build-out is consistently more dense than
> Nextel.
>
> I want my weapon to fire every time; even if I have to take the time to
> cock it before use. Just shooting blindly into the air (in order to get
> the first shot [Nextel] ) isn't my idea of self-preservation.
>
> In a large city, where both communicationg parties are consistently under
> tha signal umbrella, Nextel does an acceptable job over 50% of the time.

Actually, Nextel is starting to use some spill-over in the 900 MHz band, but
they will still be utilizing the Public Safety spectrun for their main
traffic.

They had the chance to stop interfering with public safety, and took the
easy way out.


"Zman53" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> This is why Nextel is going through re-banding and is giving up their 800
> MHz spectrum.
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> However, knowing the spectrum that Nextel uses for their service is
>> within
>> the the 800 MHz public Safety Band, and the ever expanding list of
> official
>> complaints to the FCC by Public Safety pertaining to interferene caused
>> by
>> Nextel.........
>>
>> I don't see this cause of RF interference to Public Safety to be a good
>> thing; especially if it keeps public Safety officers from doing thieir
>> job
>> efficiently; or is the cause of loss of life.........
>>
>> The 15 seconds (and more) delay is offten caused by lost Public Safety
> comms
>> that were effectively jammed by adjacent Nextel exchanges - And you are
>> so
>> correct is stating it is a life and death matter.
>>
>> ---------------- Much S N I P P A G E ----------------------
>> > Big Bob wrote:
>> >
>> > > Nextel markets to municipalities and other political organizations
> that
>> > > run
>> > emergency services (for example, fire/police departments). In such
> cases,
>> > you'd better believe 15 seconds can be the difference between life and
>> > death.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

"Jimmy D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
newsqnue.9377$Wb.8506@trndny03...
> However you have to hope that your NEXTEL works when you need it. It's a
> very poor antiquated system . They are overloaded with Boost Mobile.
Funny
> thing happened today for example. I was sitting right next to a current
> Nextel user. I'm sure you are extremely aware of the annoying Nextel
noise
> that the phone makes when the system is screwed up and you can't get
> through. Well there I am just PTT away with my new Verizon VX4700. The
> call was going through just smoothly as it has the last four days that I
had
> it activated. No busy signals! No User Not Available messages. No stand
by
> while the Nextel user your trying to reach is located. I'm sure all you
> Nextel users all heard that before! My calls just go right on through the
> way a service that I am paying for should. I am very sure that there is
> going to be a big pile of JUNK NEXTEL'S somewhere soon. Just wait till
> Verizon starts the advertising campaign again. LOL!!!
>
>

Actually, I have rarely (count them on one hand) had that kind of a problem
with a Nextel phone. I have used the PTT for thousands of hours with only a
few instances of a busy network. The only problem has been living on the
very edge of coverage, which isn't their fault.

VZW will never cut into the market- most of the people using Nextel PTT
can't afford to replace the cheap and fragile VZW phones every other week.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Actually, Nextel is starting to use some spill-over in the 900 MHz band,
but
> they will still be utilizing the Public Safety spectrun for their main
> traffic.
>
> They had the chance to stop interfering with public safety, and took the
> easy way out.
>
>

I don't know where you've been, but Nextel has agreed to give up its 800MHz
spectrum. They did that quite a while ago. They have already started
rebanding and will be moving to 1.9 GHz in the very near future. I don't
remember the cost to the company, but it has quoted in the billions of
dollars, as they will bear the entire cost of any modifcations needed by the
Public Safety agencies involved.

What is this 'easy way out' you talk about?

"Jimmy D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Yxnue.2061$c97.1015@trndny07...
> 15 Seconds? Are you kidding me? The longest delay I have had with the
tests
> over the last four days was the initial connection at 7, that's right,
SEVEN
> SECONDS then 1 second back and forth. Maybe when the Verizon service
first
> came out in 2003 you had a 15 second delay between transmissions, but not
> now. You need to be a little more informed before you make false
statements
> like that.
>

This thread made me stop by a Verizon store on the way home tonight. The
first test had an initial setup time of 16 seconds. The second test had a
setup of 10 seconds, but that involved physically dialing the second phone
(from the time the phone actually dialed until the second phone rang). The
third test went back to PTT and took 13 seconds to connect.

Morale of the story- why spend longer to set up a one way connection when
you can have a full duplex connection in less time? PTT on Verizon has no
benefit.

"SS" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In
> the cellular world, you can make a number of individual calls to
> convey the information. With PTT, you can make a single announcement.
>

Group announcements I can see if 3-way calling won't work, but I've never
heard anyone I've been in earshot on Nextel make a group announcement....

I suppose I see your point about the 4 minutes. But minutes are so cheap
now, compared to what they used to be. Calling is easier. Pushing that
button wastes everyone's time in the group having to listen to the channel
chatter all day to see if the call is for them, very annoying if the group
is large. To call "Ed", I push the button on the side of the V60 and say
"Ed" and it rings his cellphone. "Ed's desk" rings his office phone.
Noone else hears what I say to Ed and noone else had to be annoyed from
their work to see if Ed's call was for them. They never knew I called Ed.

Just seems we've taken a step back into the Motorola Taxi Radio days....
Those guys in the warehouse have better things to do than listen to the
calls on the Nextel Intercom.

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[email protected] wrote in
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> In my business, I can get things done much much
> faster with Nextel PTT than any other type of service.
>

But, don't you think productivity drops with a whole group of workers
having to listen to 2-way radio calls on their PTT, rather than private
calls which don't annoy them or interrupt their productivity?

The 4-minutes-used on the other post is moot, now that in-network calling
is free and unlimited. Ed and I can talk on full duplex Alltel 24/7/365 if
the chargers are plugged in with no cost to either of us. The money point
is now moot. The convenience and tax on productivity from the 2-way radio
calling isn't. Too bad the PTT phones aren't some how addressable, like
the full duplex cellular calls are so noone has to listen to the channel
chatter....like a damned PA system in the factory, which is awful.

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"SS" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Agreed. The last thing I need is to hang on the phone for something
> that takes a few seconds to do with PTT. The ability to contact a
> group with the push of a button is also a nice feature. Anything less
> than instant connection is not acceptable.
>
>

He CAN call you back, for free in network, when he finds what you're
looking for. As a matter of fact, he can just put it directly to your
voicemail if you are that busy so you can have it at your leisure....

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