Montg. County, MD Gets $2 Per Line TAX

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:16:37
-0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> When people usually say it's not the money it's the principle that
>> usually means it IS the money and the money is just such a small amount
>> that they don't want to seem cheap so they say it's the principle.
>
>THAT is simply a rationalization as to why you are a wimp and don't fight to
>keep your money in your pocket, where it belongs. So far, I have seen no
>mention of why the government of Montgomery county can claim rights to that
>$2 other than they want it, citing no relavent need (paying the janitor is
>not a relavent need to tax a cellphone user).

So did you go to the hearings and make your opinion known? Did you encourage
others to do the same? Or are you just *****ing after the fact? ;-)

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:12:52
-0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

>It is irrelavent whether he can afford it or not. The point is the
>goverment is taking it ... and without a sane reason [posted so far] to show
>for it. Simply needing money and levying a tax on unsuspecting wireless
>users is simply ludicrous and sanctioned criminality.

No, it's democracy.

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If two bucks a month sends me to the poor house I would kill myself. MB

"Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Oh, a cell phone is now a necessity, we better let the 50% of Americans
> > who don't have one know this so they can run out and get one. Food,
> > water, shelter are necessities a cell phone is not. MB
>
> So, an item or service being classified as a luxury gives people the right
> to screw others? I fail to see your point. The government taxes
> EVERYTHING, including the air you breathe. Maybe when you become elderly, a
> little twirp like you might be rude to you. Or maybe they'll just pass a
> tax on you and send you to the poor house.
>
>

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:40:11
-0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I don't have an anti-goverment attitude. I do have an anti-tax attitude in
>cases where it is too high. ...

Seems to me that you just have an attitude.

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And we'd all be thankful.

The point is, with taxes, it's $2 here, $2 there. Kind of like boiling a
frog. If they raise the taxes slowly, less people complain. One day,
you'll be all growed up and you might have the mental capacity to understand
concepts like taxes, social issues, etc.

"Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If two bucks a month sends me to the poor house I would kill myself. MB
>
> "Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> >
> > "Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Oh, a cell phone is now a necessity, we better let the 50% of
Americans
> > > who don't have one know this so they can run out and get one. Food,
> > > water, shelter are necessities a cell phone is not. MB
> >
> > So, an item or service being classified as a luxury gives people the
right
> > to screw others? I fail to see your point. The government taxes
> > EVERYTHING, including the air you breathe. Maybe when you become
elderly, a
> > little twirp like you might be rude to you. Or maybe they'll just
pass a
> > tax on you and send you to the poor house.
> >
> >
>
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well, *****es, what I have to say, is if you do not like the taxes you
have to pay, ****en move, tired of hearing you ****ing nigger *****es
whine and complain.

Cletis.

[email protected] (m thaler) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Montgomery County provides MANY services, more so than most counties.
> Someone has to pay for them. Many (most?) entities levy utility user's
> taxes on electricity, phones, gas etc. To help compensate, many areas
> help low income people by offering subsidized basic phone service and
> either subsidized electric rates or low rates if you stay under a
> certain threshold. Since many people have given up land lines and have
> only a cel phone - these thould be taxed just as other items are.
> As you mentioned, Montgomery County IS an upscale area, for the most
> part. If you are being priced out of living in an upscale area, maybe
> now is the time to move to a lower cost home.
>
> ...mike
>
>
>
> "Cellular Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > In response I knew there would be at least one Mr. Smart Ass that would
> > state if $2 is
> > too much, cancel the phone service. Well, as much as I want too, I will
> > refrain from addressing the lack of intelligence that must abound at the
> > location that it came from. (But that just "give in" attitude has probably
> > gotten him far in life.)
> > The many of our senior citizens of today have it very tough.
> > Not everyone retired with $300,000 in the bank and 2.5 million retirement
> > fund.
> > The senior citizens in this country have problems that run deep, and
> > finances are one of the
> > biggest. And when it comes to safety and security, seniors have a need for a
> > telecommunications devices as great if not greater then everyone else.
> > Second, I have an out of state address I can use, and may very well do that,
> > its just the point of Governmental Taxation burns your ass. When and where
> > does it stop? For those that are unaware, Montgomery County Maryland, used
> > to be the richest per capita county in the USA. Has dropped some over the
> > years, but it's up there. The amount of revenue this has created for the
> > Government is going to be astronomical. Too let them get away with this
> > without a fight, is setting a helluva precedent. Keep in mind, the
> > Governement administrators could care less, they have subsidized and/or
> > State funded wireless acounts, so what do they care.
> >
> >
>
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This is typical of Maryland taxes. When I moved into the state years ago
they wanted me to pay sales tax on my two cars based on their value. All
other states at least give you credit for tax paid in another state & call
it even, but not Maryland.

"Cellular Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well now I'm pissed. Just received my bill from Verizon to get this little
> tidbit of news: Montgomery County Council has levied a $2.00 per line, per
> month, Tax against Wireless Phone Service. I am a Senior Citizen on a
> Grandfathered $14.95 a month Plan. $2.00 per line per month is a 13%
> increase!! I have 2 phones one for me and the wife which equates to $4 per
> month or $48 per year. No big deal? It is on a fixed income. So if you are
> in Montgomery County Maryland, and have Wireless Service with ANY carrier,
> you will be receiving this new Tax on your next bill.. Now I know how
those
> guys at the Boston Tea Party felt. (Where can I find a boat full of tea
> anyway? )
>
> So heres your contact info to "state your feelings" to the Montgomery
County
> Council.
>
> Council Main EMAIL address: [email protected]
> Main Council Phone Number : 240-777-7900.
> Main Web Site for Council :
>
http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/cs...ncil/index.asp
>
> This is one "Little Guy Cant Beat City Hall " fight I'd like to see go all
> the way!!
>
>

In alt.cellular.verizon Rich Cacace <richcacace-REMOVE TO [email protected]> wrote:
> This is typical of Maryland taxes.

This is the state where the governor was so starved for a football team
he paid for Art Modell to move the original Cleveland Browns.

A lot of people I knew from Maryland were *not* happy about that. Apparently
they thought the state's priorities were, well, rather screwed up.

Is Parris Glendening (jeesh... what a name!) still on the throne in
Annapolis?

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Taxes are a part of life deal with it, if that 2 bucks is the deal
breaker cancel your service. Remember 911 will still work from your
handset without you paying a provider. I have a pretty good
understanding of taxes and social issues and taxes are something you
will have to live with, I hate paying them but you have to. Again we
are talking about a luxury here not a necessity (cell service) ... MB

"Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> And we'd all be thankful.
>
> The point is, with taxes, it's $2 here, $2 there. Kind of like boiling a
> frog. If they raise the taxes slowly, less people complain. One day,
> you'll be all growed up and you might have the mental capacity to understand
> concepts like taxes, social issues, etc.
>
> "Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > If two bucks a month sends me to the poor house I would kill myself. MB
> >
> > "Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > "Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Oh, a cell phone is now a necessity, we better let the 50% of
> Americans
> > > > who don't have one know this so they can run out and get one. Food,
> > > > water, shelter are necessities a cell phone is not. MB
> > >
> > > So, an item or service being classified as a luxury gives people the
> right
> > > to screw others? I fail to see your point. The government taxes
> > > EVERYTHING, including the air you breathe. Maybe when you become
> elderly, a
> > > little twirp like you might be rude to you. Or maybe they'll just
> pass a
> > > tax on you and send you to the poor house.
> > >
> > >
> >
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>
>

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Yeah Thomas lets go protest at the courthouse all week long to get a 2
dollar fee waived, that is cost effective. You can protest all you want
the government is usually going to win. Why not get a lawyer at $100.00
per hour to protest it so you MIGHT be able to save 2 bucks a month....
MB

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > So I'm the wimp, but you try to resort yourself to adolescent name
> > calling, isn't that ironic. I love money just like anybody else and if
> > I felt I was being ripped off by anybody I'd mention it, however if it
> > was that big of a deal to me I'd cancel my service with the people
> > ripping me off. I wouldn't ***** and moan and roll around on the floor.
> > People who say everything is based on principle are the people who want
> > everything handed to them and don't want to work for anything. COSTS
> > INCREASE!!!!!! What a shame that his cell phone service can't stay at
> > 14.95 a month from now until eternity, get a life.
> >
>
> I won't continue to argue this with you beyond this. Who's costs are you
> referring to? Montgomery County? What interest do they have in mobile
> communications that justifies their tax on it? Surely somebody here can
> post this. It is simple, if you are over charged or taxed unfairly, you do
> something about it. It has nothing to do with whether you can afford it.
> It has nothing to do with Sprint PCS service in and of itself, so cancelling
> service is not a satisfactory solution to Montgomery counties over taxation
> (apparently, as no justifiable reason has yet been posted).
>
> As far as name calling? I did not call you a name, I described you ... A
> WIMP. You don't stand up for yourself in a situation that you should ...
> which surely fits the description.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >I truly feel
> >the goverment has its hands in too many private pots.
>
> Then stop *****ing and start getting involved.
>

And what makes you think I am not involved? I don't live in Montgomery
County, so I can't do much about that, but I certainly can if they tried it
here.

Tom Veldhouse

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> So did you go to the hearings and make your opinion known? Did you
encourage
> others to do the same? Or are you just *****ing after the fact? ;-)

I don't live there! I am outraged than it can or would be done in the first
place.

Tom Veldhouse

"m thaler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Montgomery County provides MANY services, more so than most counties.
> Someone has to pay for them. Many (most?) entities levy utility user's
> taxes on electricity, phones, gas etc. To help compensate, many areas
> help low income people by offering subsidized basic phone service and
> either subsidized electric rates or low rates if you stay under a
> certain threshold. Since many people have given up land lines and have
> only a cel phone - these thould be taxed just as other items are.
> As you mentioned, Montgomery County IS an upscale area, for the most
> part. If you are being priced out of living in an upscale area, maybe
> now is the time to move to a lower cost home.
>
> ...mike
>

Subsidizing the poor and/or needy is one thing. That however, needs to be
paid for by an appropriate tax, not a cellular phone tax. What you describe
is very much the type of thing paid for by the General fund of most
goverment bodies. If you need roads, you tax those who benefit from roads,
that may include OTR truckers, residential automobiles, businesses that
directly benefit from transportation (most of them ... with the exception of
perhaps data services). Taxing arbitrarily to get your bills paid is simply
wrong and invites corruption or lazy accounting (let's just move dollars
from this account to this account and now we are balanced). What you don't
seem to get is that tax is not bad, it is what they are taxing. What is
being taxed needs to be relavent to what the tax is used for ... otherwise,
it is simply a general expenditure which comes from the general fund which
is usually funded by income (and business) and property taxes.

So, if somebody is more upscale than you ... you don't feel at all sorry for
them, but as soon as it is you, oh my God! What a fiasco ... I have been
screwed. Alright Robin Hood, see you around.

Tom Veldhouse

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 27 Aug 2003
12:12:52
> -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It is irrelavent whether he can afford it or not. The point is the
> >goverment is taking it ... and without a sane reason [posted so far] to
show
> >for it. Simply needing money and levying a tax on unsuspecting wireless
> >users is simply ludicrous and sanctioned criminality.
>
> No, it's democracy.
>

Our method of election and representation is a democracy. Our method of
taxation and economy are definitely NOT a democracy. To say it is free
trade is also wrong. It is very much a socialized economy, although not
nearly as extreme as many of the EU countries.

Tom Veldhouse

Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in article > Is Parris
Glendening (jeesh... what a name!) still on the throne in
> Annapolis?
>
a/k/a/ SPENDenning

Actually, he is gone after 8 years, and MD voters elected a Republican
for the first time in 40+ years IIRC, Robert Ehrlich. Of course their
statehouse is Democratically controlled, so nothing gets done.....

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