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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

> No problem, Bub.....Number portability is just around that
> corner.....(c;


It may well be a problem. Points to conisder:

1. Companies will grant fewer exceptions to allow waiver of Early
termination fees (ETF) for folks under contract. They will work harder
to put people under contract. Already complaints are coming in that if
you speak to Customer Service, BINGO, they secretly renew a contract.

2. Some companies (Sprint for one) have promised not to release a number
for portability until after you have left and your outstanding balance
is zero, and then maybe hit you with an additional fee for porting your
number.

3. There may be a portability activation fee at your new company, so you
can now be charged 3 times. Once for "Portability Cost recovery" and
then twice (once at each end) for the actual transfer.

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I've called three times to ask questions about my phone. They were very
polite & my questions were answered to my satisfaction.



"Been There" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ben Skversky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In the three weeks since I switched to Nextel from VZW, I've found
> Nextel's
> > CS to be very good.
> >
> >
>
> If I may ask, how many times have you called them and for what reason?
>
> They can handle a lot of things. The things they can't handle seem to
fall
> off into a deep hole sometimes IMHO.
>
>

In alt.cellular.verizon Phillipe <[email protected]> wrote:

> 2. Some companies (Sprint for one) have promised not to release a number
> for portability until after you have left and your outstanding balance
> is zero

And there's a problem with that?

If you're no longer using the phone, what can they do to you if you refuse
to pay? It's already shut off. They want to make sure they are paid what
they're owed.


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I agree with you Steven, I wonder how this will work. Will you CXL
service and wait for a final bill? If so then your "portable" number
could very well be dead for 30-60 days while you wait for a final bill
and make the payment. People that use this for business like Larry will
be up **** creek if this is the case. I have a feeling this is going to
be a pain in the ass for the companies and customers. MB

Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In alt.cellular.verizon Phillipe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 2. Some companies (Sprint for one) have promised not to release a number
> > for portability until after you have left and your outstanding balance
> > is zero
>
> And there's a problem with that?
>
> If you're no longer using the phone, what can they do to you if you refuse
> to pay? It's already shut off. They want to make sure they are paid what
> they're owed.
>
>
> --
> JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
> 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
> Steve Sobol, Proprietor
> 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]

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But I bet it doesn't need to be. Its a database plain and simple which
tell the numbers where to be routed. Hope the providers dont get stupid
and cute and screw its customers over like in the examples

[email protected] (Male Bomb) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> I agree with you Steven, I wonder how this will work. Will you CXL
> service and wait for a final bill? If so then your "portable" number
> could very well be dead for 30-60 days while you wait for a final bill
> and make the payment. People that use this for business like Larry will
> be up **** creek if this is the case. I have a feeling this is going to
> be a pain in the ass for the companies and customers. MB
>
> Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > In alt.cellular.verizon Phillipe <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > 2. Some companies (Sprint for one) have promised not to release a number
> > > for portability until after you have left and your outstanding balance
> > > is zero
> >
> > And there's a problem with that?
> >
> > If you're no longer using the phone, what can they do to you if you refuse
> > to pay? It's already shut off. They want to make sure they are paid what
> > they're owed.
> >
> >
> > --
> > JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
> > 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
> > Steve Sobol, Proprietor
> > 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:11:39 GMT, Phillipe <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote:
>
>> No problem, Bub.....Number portability is just around that
>> corner.....(c;
>
>
>It may well be a problem. Points to conisder:
>
>1. Companies will grant fewer exceptions to allow waiver of Early
>termination fees (ETF) for folks under contract. They will work harder
>to put people under contract. Already complaints are coming in that if
>you speak to Customer Service, BINGO, they secretly renew a contract.

Until some MAJOR tort reform, all contracts you wish to make STICK in
court MUST be SIGNED and WITNESSED by a properly licensed Notary
Public, at least here in South Carolina. They can all do anything
they wish on the goddamned computer, but they can also stick it right
up their asses after the judge gets done with them. Under $500, such
as this "contract" BS comes under the jurisdiction of the small claims
court and costs me $35. MAKE MY DAY.....(C;
>
>2. Some companies (Sprint for one) have promised not to release a number
>for portability until after you have left and your outstanding balance
>is zero, and then maybe hit you with an additional fee for porting your
>number.

I bet a savvy consumer can make ONE call to the FCC's public lines at
WTB (Wireless Telecom Bureau) and get that changed within the hour.
Sprint is a "licensee", last time I checked. They are "touchable".
>
>3. There may be a portability activation fee at your new company, so you
>can now be charged 3 times. Once for "Portability Cost recovery" and
>then twice (once at each end) for the actual transfer.

We've all heard this rate increase bull**** before. It's why my
cellphone bill USED to be $250/month and is now $43/mo. It's called
FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt). It's how they sell firewall
software and scare consumers into thinking forcing the company to do
what it doesn't want is going to hit them hard.

I suspect you're gonna see some REALLY sweet deals offered to current
customers when those churning rates rise sharply. You can tell your
carrier to kiss your ass and move your number to your new carrier
until he pisses you off or tries to screw you. Why do you think
"they" fought number portability SO HARD?! Duhhhh.....(c;



Larry W4CSC

Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:08:16 -0000, [email protected] (CCCC1 1CCCC)
wrote:

>But I bet it doesn't need to be. Its a database plain and simple which
>tell the numbers where to be routed. Hope the providers dont get stupid
>and cute and screw its customers over like in the examples
>
Believe it or not, your wireless carrier is NOT the center of the
telecom universe. Number portability is a POTS and LONG LINES matter
in THEIR database. The landline carriers determine the routing to
your wireless carrier out here on the edge of the system.....not
Verizon Wireless or the others.



Larry W4CSC

Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

I am not naive, but we really do not know how this will work. So if it
it is a POTS and LONG LINES matter where are you going to go when you
jump ship to Alltel, the local telco or the Alltel booth with the Alltel
"sales drone" I would bet my left nut you will not jump ship when #
portabilitly comes around as you know you have it as good as it gets. I
will be watching the notes on your account just to see... MB

[email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:08:16 -0000, [email protected] (CCCC1 1CCCC)
> wrote:
>
> >But I bet it doesn't need to be. Its a database plain and simple which
> >tell the numbers where to be routed. Hope the providers dont get stupid
> >and cute and screw its customers over like in the examples
> >
> Believe it or not, your wireless carrier is NOT the center of the
> telecom universe. Number portability is a POTS and LONG LINES matter
> in THEIR database. The landline carriers determine the routing to
> your wireless carrier out here on the edge of the system.....not
> Verizon Wireless or the others.
>
>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
> Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
> Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

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Are you listening in on our conversations, too, or just violating
company policies on the terminals?

I think VZW fired the wrong kids.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 06:50:04 -0000, [email protected] (Male Bomb)
wrote:

>I am not naive, but we really do not know how this will work. So if it
>it is a POTS and LONG LINES matter where are you going to go when you
>jump ship to Alltel, the local telco or the Alltel booth with the Alltel
>"sales drone" I would bet my left nut you will not jump ship when #
>portabilitly comes around as you know you have it as good as it gets. I
>will be watching the notes on your account just to see... MB
>
>[email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
><[email protected]>:
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:08:16 -0000, [email protected] (CCCC1 1CCCC)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >But I bet it doesn't need to be. Its a database plain and simple which
>> >tell the numbers where to be routed. Hope the providers dont get stupid
>> >and cute and screw its customers over like in the examples
>> >
>> Believe it or not, your wireless carrier is NOT the center of the
>> telecom universe. Number portability is a POTS and LONG LINES matter
>> in THEIR database. The landline carriers determine the routing to
>> your wireless carrier out here on the edge of the system.....not
>> Verizon Wireless or the others.
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry W4CSC
>>
>> Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
>> Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?
>
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Larry W4CSC

Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

In alt.cellular.verizon Male Bomb <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree with you Steven, I wonder how this will work. Will you CXL
> service and wait for a final bill?

In this particular case, I think Sprint is 1000% justified if they don't
allow you to switch until you've paid them all of the money you owe.

Of course, a lot of people I've known who have SPCS have had billing
issues with them at various times...


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Steve Sobol, Proprietor
888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]

The bottom line is and will be.. the switching of the numbers is still a
wireless issue...


For the indefinte future VZM, ATTWS, etc "owns" the number... it still
will switch thru their switching system... Only difference will be,
instead of switching out to the BTS etc, it will be directed (ported)
out to the "new" provider...

So since Sprint will still "own" the number, they can set standards as
to when and how it is ported out...

So if you dont settle bill, your number can stay suspended...



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[email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:08:16 -0000, [email protected] (CCCC1 1CCCC)
> wrote:
>
> >But I bet it doesn't need to be. Its a database plain and simple which
> >tell the numbers where to be routed. Hope the providers dont get stupid
> >and cute and screw its customers over like in the examples
> >
> Believe it or not, your wireless carrier is NOT the center of the
> telecom universe. Number portability is a POTS and LONG LINES matter
> in THEIR database. The landline carriers determine the routing to
> your wireless carrier out here on the edge of the system.....not
> Verizon Wireless or the others.
>
>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
> Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
> Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Dan W.) wrote:

> It's important to note that the difference between first and last place
> is really not all that great in any category they rank.
>
> Some providers are better than others at certain things, yes, but in
> general the difference is not night and day, more like the difference
> beteen 8:00pm and 8:15pm =)

NICE TRY