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- 09-06-2003, 04:40 PM #61PhillipeGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Sep 2003
> 18:39:19 GMT, Phillipe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The thing is, over in England where portability has been around for a
> >while, the AVERAGE business discount is 50%, because of the willingness
> >of businesses to change carriers.
>
> The big difference is that in England, businesses can change carriers while
> keeping the same phones (just issue new SIMs), whereas here in the USA it
> often takes all-new phones.
I thought the carriers were "locking" phones so simple SIM swaps
wouldn't work?
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- 09-06-2003, 07:21 PM #62norelprefGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
<[email protected]> said:
>
> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
>
> - Paul
I thought all carriers had that policy.
- 09-06-2003, 07:21 PM #63norelprefGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
<[email protected]> said:
>
> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
>
> - Paul
I thought all carriers had that policy.
- 09-06-2003, 07:46 PM #64Paul J. LucasGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
> <[email protected]> said:
>>
>> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
>> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
- Paul
- 09-06-2003, 07:46 PM #65Paul J. LucasGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
> <[email protected]> said:
>>
>> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
>> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
- Paul
- 09-06-2003, 07:49 PM #66Paul J. LucasGuest
Re: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Sep 2003
> 15:56:00 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Except if you happen to have SBC DSL. SBC won't just sell you
>> DSL service: you MUST have a land-line number. You might be
>> thinking, "Well, of course you need a land-line since DSL runs
>> over the same copper." Except there's a difference between the
>> copper and the *number* assigned to the copper. It's certainly
>> possible to have DSL on a copper pair with no phone number
>> assigned to it (I used to have this with Northpoint before they
>> went bankrupt).
>>
>> And, for me, cable-based broadband isn't an option because they
>> don't offer static IPs (not to mention cable companies'
>> Draconian TOS policies).
>>
>> So, for now, I'm sorta of stuck with my land-line.
>
> Not really. Transfer the DSL to a number you don't care about on the lowest
> possible cost service, and then move your current landline number elsewhere.
Uhm, but the point was to get rid of the land-line entirely,
not to move it elsewhere.
- Paul
- 09-06-2003, 07:49 PM #67Paul J. LucasGuest
Re: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Sep 2003
> 15:56:00 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Except if you happen to have SBC DSL. SBC won't just sell you
>> DSL service: you MUST have a land-line number. You might be
>> thinking, "Well, of course you need a land-line since DSL runs
>> over the same copper." Except there's a difference between the
>> copper and the *number* assigned to the copper. It's certainly
>> possible to have DSL on a copper pair with no phone number
>> assigned to it (I used to have this with Northpoint before they
>> went bankrupt).
>>
>> And, for me, cable-based broadband isn't an option because they
>> don't offer static IPs (not to mention cable companies'
>> Draconian TOS policies).
>>
>> So, for now, I'm sorta of stuck with my land-line.
>
> Not really. Transfer the DSL to a number you don't care about on the lowest
> possible cost service, and then move your current landline number elsewhere.
Uhm, but the point was to get rid of the land-line entirely,
not to move it elsewhere.
- Paul
- 09-06-2003, 09:44 PM #68Lawrence G. MaykaGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
"norelpref" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
> <[email protected]> said:
> > But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
> > didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
> I thought all carriers had that policy.
My understanding was that the GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T Wireless, and
Cingular) will indeed activate an arbitrary GSM phone. However, each of these
carriers SIM-locks each phone it sells or gives away itself, in order to help
ensure sufficient service revenue to offset the phone's price subsidy.
Does anyone have contrary information?
- 09-06-2003, 09:44 PM #69Lawrence G. MaykaGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
"norelpref" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
> <[email protected]> said:
> > But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
> > didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
> I thought all carriers had that policy.
My understanding was that the GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T Wireless, and
Cingular) will indeed activate an arbitrary GSM phone. However, each of these
carriers SIM-locks each phone it sells or gives away itself, in order to help
ensure sufficient service revenue to offset the phone's price subsidy.
Does anyone have contrary information?
- 09-06-2003, 10:01 PM #70Male BombGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
Not totally true there are TDMA tri-mode phones. Also trying to get
another carriers phone activated can be a ***** as you may need the lock
code and the previous carrier may not release it. Go buy a SPCS trimode
CDMA phone and see how it goes getting it activated on VZW... MB
"Paul J. Lucas" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
> > <[email protected]> said:
> >>
> >> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
> >> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
>
> Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
>
> - Paul
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- 09-06-2003, 10:01 PM #71Male BombGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
Not totally true there are TDMA tri-mode phones. Also trying to get
another carriers phone activated can be a ***** as you may need the lock
code and the previous carrier may not release it. Go buy a SPCS trimode
CDMA phone and see how it goes getting it activated on VZW... MB
"Paul J. Lucas" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
> > <[email protected]> said:
> >>
> >> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
> >> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
>
> Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
>
> - Paul
[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
- 09-06-2003, 10:08 PM #72Steven J SobolGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Male Bomb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not totally true there are TDMA tri-mode phones. Also trying to get
> another carriers phone activated can be a ***** as you may need the lock
> code and the previous carrier may not release it. Go buy a SPCS trimode
> CDMA phone and see how it goes getting it activated on VZW... MB
Ahhhhh, but I have come up with an easy way to social-engineer the MSL
code from Sprint's customer service reps.
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- 09-06-2003, 10:08 PM #73Steven J SobolGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Male Bomb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not totally true there are TDMA tri-mode phones. Also trying to get
> another carriers phone activated can be a ***** as you may need the lock
> code and the previous carrier may not release it. Go buy a SPCS trimode
> CDMA phone and see how it goes getting it activated on VZW... MB
Ahhhhh, but I have come up with an easy way to social-engineer the MSL
code from Sprint's customer service reps.
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22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
Steve Sobol, Proprietor
888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]
- 09-06-2003, 10:33 PM #74Mike CalleryGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
Your entirely correct. For the most part, you cannot take a Sprint or
Verizon phone and switch carriers with them. There are ways to re-burn the
chip to make it work, but no one is going to tell you that - they are all
going to require a new phone.
Sprint wins in this category, my opinion, because you can pretty much find a
Sprint phone on eBay, get it home and hit the Sprint website to change your
phone over to a new model.
Switching between carriers with the same phone, however, isn't going to
work.
"Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not totally true there are TDMA tri-mode phones. Also trying to get
> another carriers phone activated can be a ***** as you may need the lock
> code and the previous carrier may not release it. Go buy a SPCS trimode
> CDMA phone and see how it goes getting it activated on VZW... MB
>
> "Paul J. Lucas" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
> > > <[email protected]> said:
> > >>
> > >> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
> > >> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
> >
> > Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
> >
> > - Paul
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
- 09-06-2003, 10:33 PM #75Mike CalleryGuest
Re: NEWS: Get Ready for a Wireless Carrier War
Your entirely correct. For the most part, you cannot take a Sprint or
Verizon phone and switch carriers with them. There are ways to re-burn the
chip to make it work, but no one is going to tell you that - they are all
going to require a new phone.
Sprint wins in this category, my opinion, because you can pretty much find a
Sprint phone on eBay, get it home and hit the Sprint website to change your
phone over to a new model.
Switching between carriers with the same phone, however, isn't going to
work.
"Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not totally true there are TDMA tri-mode phones. Also trying to get
> another carriers phone activated can be a ***** as you may need the lock
> code and the previous carrier may not release it. Go buy a SPCS trimode
> CDMA phone and see how it goes getting it activated on VZW... MB
>
> "Paul J. Lucas" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > In alt.cellular.verizon norelpref <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:48:35 GMT, "Paul J. Lucas"
> > > <[email protected]> said:
> > >>
> > >> But, at least with Sprint, they won't activate a phone they
> > >> didn't originally sell for their service on their network.
> >
> > Verizon will activate any tri-mode phone.
> >
> > - Paul
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
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