Its So Sad Its Comical, 2nd Judge Has Blocked Congress " Do No Call" Vote

I didn't say that it's necessarily possible. I just said its legal and
constitutional. There's a difference.

"RJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:47:24 -0400, "John" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >There's a distinction that I think you're missing. *You* have every
right
> >to put up a "no calling" sign on your home phone, just like a "no
> >soliciting" sign. You can also put up a "no calling if you sell stuff
minus
> >X exceptions" sign if you want. That's all fine.
>
> Please explain how to do that.
>
> ---
> Bob

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This all a bunch of hog wash. Most of the outfits I worked for claimed
to be charitable organizations. One place used the claim that they were
using the proceeds to buy TV sets for retired veterans in old folks
homes. Reality- out of a million dollars raised maybe tree TV sets
would be placed in a lobby. It was all BS but they made sure the news
agencies knew about each purchase.
The same things goes for selling tickets for the Fire-man's Ball. Most
of those events were never scheduled in the first place, and the city
was never informed of the fund drive. Tele-Marketers love to pretend
that they are calling on the behalf of some needy group or another.
"Freedom" ???

"John" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> I didn't say that it's necessarily possible. I just said its legal and
> constitutional. There's a difference.
>
> "RJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:47:24 -0400, "John" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >There's a distinction that I think you're missing. *You* have every
> right
> > >to put up a "no calling" sign on your home phone, just like a "no
> > >soliciting" sign. You can also put up a "no calling if you sell stuff
> minus
> > >X exceptions" sign if you want. That's all fine.
> >
> > Please explain how to do that.
> >
> > ---
> > Bob
>
>

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In alt.cellular.verizon William Bray <[email protected]> wrote:
> This all a bunch of hog wash. Most of the outfits I worked for claimed
> to be charitable organizations.

The Denver judge doesn't like the law because it has too many exemptions
and says that it should not have any, not even for charities or politicos.

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"Scott Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Right, and I guess that's why I feel like there should be no
> exceptions for any organization. It would seem that by putting
> in exceptions a 1st ammendment issue now exists. By saying
> to commercial organizations that "you can't" but to charitable
> organizations "you can" you make a distinction which, as I understand
> it, is the basis for a 1st ammendment issue. I'm
> still very unclear on how free speech extends to the privacy of my home.
> How is it anyone's right to essentially enter my home and begin
> excercising their right to free speech. Only then do I have a right to
> say "leave". But I don't have a right to say "no" up front? What about
> the concept of "No Trespassing" or "No Soliciting". If the 1st
> ammendment issue is simply the result of introducing exceptions into the
> no-call
> rules then it seems that no-exceptions would be the answer. No calls
> means no calls - period - my home, my phone, my decision. Hollar at me
> all you want on public property but you can't come into my home
> uninvited - physically or via my phone. Really I don't get the
> difference between a door-to-door salesman and a telemarketer. If I put
> up a No Trespassing sign on my property and a salesman comes up to my
> door, don't I have legal recourse? Isn't he trespassing?
> (and I'm really asking here - I'm not an attorney - all my common sense
> says yes but I've learned over the years that that probably means the
> law says no).
> So, why can't I have a "No Trespassing" sign on my phone number. No
> exceptions - I don't care if you want to sell me something, ask for a
> donation or ask for my opinion - you can't just call my house or show up
> at my door.

i'm glad to see a few people understand the DNC problem.
do you want to put the no soliciting sign on your door, or do you want the
government to do it for you?

"Scott Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Right, and I guess that's why I feel like there should be no
> exceptions for any organization. It would seem that by putting
> in exceptions a 1st ammendment issue now exists. By saying
> to commercial organizations that "you can't" but to charitable
> organizations "you can" you make a distinction which, as I understand
> it, is the basis for a 1st ammendment issue. I'm
> still very unclear on how free speech extends to the privacy of my home.
> How is it anyone's right to essentially enter my home and begin
> excercising their right to free speech. Only then do I have a right to
> say "leave". But I don't have a right to say "no" up front? What about
> the concept of "No Trespassing" or "No Soliciting". If the 1st
> ammendment issue is simply the result of introducing exceptions into the
> no-call
> rules then it seems that no-exceptions would be the answer. No calls
> means no calls - period - my home, my phone, my decision. Hollar at me
> all you want on public property but you can't come into my home
> uninvited - physically or via my phone. Really I don't get the
> difference between a door-to-door salesman and a telemarketer. If I put
> up a No Trespassing sign on my property and a salesman comes up to my
> door, don't I have legal recourse? Isn't he trespassing?
> (and I'm really asking here - I'm not an attorney - all my common sense
> says yes but I've learned over the years that that probably means the
> law says no).
> So, why can't I have a "No Trespassing" sign on my phone number. No
> exceptions - I don't care if you want to sell me something, ask for a
> donation or ask for my opinion - you can't just call my house or show up
> at my door.

i'm glad to see a few people understand the DNC problem.
do you want to put the no soliciting sign on your door, or do you want the
government to do it for you?

"RJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:47:24 -0400, "John" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >There's a distinction that I think you're missing. *You* have every
right
> >to put up a "no calling" sign on your home phone, just like a "no
> >soliciting" sign. You can also put up a "no calling if you sell stuff
minus
> >X exceptions" sign if you want. That's all fine.
>
> Please explain how to do that.
>
> ---
> Bob

check your state laws for state run DNC policies...
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcam...statelist.html

florida has a state DNC, why can't each state have their own?
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...19.HTM&Title=->2001->Ch0501->Section%20619

please read penalties for violating florida DNC. if you are on that state
DNC and a telemarker calls you, you can be awarded up to $10k. isn't that a
much better plan than a no reward federal DNC?

unfortunately, not everyone knows about state DNC.

"RJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:47:24 -0400, "John" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >There's a distinction that I think you're missing. *You* have every
right
> >to put up a "no calling" sign on your home phone, just like a "no
> >soliciting" sign. You can also put up a "no calling if you sell stuff
minus
> >X exceptions" sign if you want. That's all fine.
>
> Please explain how to do that.
>
> ---
> Bob

check your state laws for state run DNC policies...
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcam...statelist.html

florida has a state DNC, why can't each state have their own?
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...19.HTM&Title=->2001->Ch0501->Section%20619

please read penalties for violating florida DNC. if you are on that state
DNC and a telemarker calls you, you can be awarded up to $10k. isn't that a
much better plan than a no reward federal DNC?

unfortunately, not everyone knows about state DNC.

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In alt.cellular.verizon William Bray <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This all a bunch of hog wash. Most of the outfits I worked for claimed
> > to be charitable organizations.
>
> The Denver judge doesn't like the law because it has too many exemptions
> and says that it should not have any, not even for charities or politicos.
>

i agree.. it's all or nothing.

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In alt.cellular.verizon William Bray <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This all a bunch of hog wash. Most of the outfits I worked for claimed
> > to be charitable organizations.
>
> The Denver judge doesn't like the law because it has too many exemptions
> and says that it should not have any, not even for charities or politicos.
>

i agree.. it's all or nothing.

Start here.
www.cexx.org

Start here.
www.cexx.org

"RedDragon(-=Revenge=-)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Start here.
> www.cexx.org

nice link, thanks...

"RedDragon(-=Revenge=-)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Start here.
> www.cexx.org

nice link, thanks...

The federal one is $11K.

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"127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "RJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:47:24 -0400, "John" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >There's a distinction that I think you're missing. *You* have every
> right
> > >to put up a "no calling" sign on your home phone, just like a "no
> > >soliciting" sign. You can also put up a "no calling if you sell stuff
> minus
> > >X exceptions" sign if you want. That's all fine.
> >
> > Please explain how to do that.
> >
> > ---
> > Bob
>
> check your state laws for state run DNC policies...
> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcam...statelist.html
>
> florida has a state DNC, why can't each state have their own?
> http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...19.HTM&Title=->2001->Ch0501->Section%20619
>
> please read penalties for violating florida DNC. if you are on that state
> DNC and a telemarker calls you, you can be awarded up to $10k. isn't that a
> much better plan than a no reward federal DNC?
>
> unfortunately, not everyone knows about state DNC.
>
>

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The federal one is $11K.

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"127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "RJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:47:24 -0400, "John" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >There's a distinction that I think you're missing. *You* have every
> right
> > >to put up a "no calling" sign on your home phone, just like a "no
> > >soliciting" sign. You can also put up a "no calling if you sell stuff
> minus
> > >X exceptions" sign if you want. That's all fine.
> >
> > Please explain how to do that.
> >
> > ---
> > Bob
>
> check your state laws for state run DNC policies...
> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcam...statelist.html
>
> florida has a state DNC, why can't each state have their own?
> http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...19.HTM&Title=->2001->Ch0501->Section%20619
>
> please read penalties for violating florida DNC. if you are on that state
> DNC and a telemarker calls you, you can be awarded up to $10k. isn't that a
> much better plan than a no reward federal DNC?
>
> unfortunately, not everyone knows about state DNC.
>
>

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