Two types of iDEN Protocols?

Which I'm assuming that Nextel is aiming the WiDEN Protocol towards
Small Business and High-End Enterprise Users....

I think Nextel is planning to have WiDEN as the Core Technology for the
demanding Business Market, and Classic iDEN for the Consumer Market, but
IMO iDEN or WiDEN was meant to be a tool for businesses rather than
consumers.

iDEN is what it is to CDMA/TDMA/AMPS/GSM/GPRS as Broadband is to Dial-Up
and ISDN as far as the Internet is concerned.

Because of the technological advances associated with WiDEN, I think
WiDEN is more appropriate for the business market. I think Nextel will
still support the Classic iDEN Protocol as IMO Nextel and SouthernLINC
(the only other iDEN Provider in the States) are probably gonna support
Classic iDEN for the next 10-20 years (There's still room to improve
iDEN), because like I said, iDEN was meant to be a martyr of
productivity rather than a consumer-level communications protocol.

Rest assured, I'm pretty sure that Nextel and SouthernLINC will still
support the iDEN Protocol for the next 2 decades.

SouthernLINC--That's an iDEN Provider that serves ONLY in Georgia,
Florida, and the most southeastern states in America. Nextel is the
only National iDEN Provider in the states.

Scott Stephenson wrote:
> Bill Roland wrote:
>
>
>>I would assume it will require new hardware to take advantage of, but
>>that's not really anything new in the Cell phone industry (think
>>AMPS>TDMA>GSM or AMPS>CDMA).
>>
>
>
> Probably will mean new hardware, but in any new industry (and cellular would
> still fall into this category) most new technologies on the back end
> usually require new user hardware.
>
> What I found most interesting was the refernece to potential broadband
> development. The thought of being able to use some business apps at high
> speed over the network is a wonderful possibility.

Mark Kim wrote:

> Which I'm assuming that Nextel is aiming the WiDEN Protocol towards
> Small Business and High-End Enterprise Users....
>
> I think Nextel is planning to have WiDEN as the Core Technology for the
> demanding Business Market, and Classic iDEN for the Consumer Market, but
> IMO iDEN or WiDEN was meant to be a tool for businesses rather than
> consumers.

Nextel makes no bones about it- their entire business plan revolves around
their business and government customers. Consumer accounts are a throw in
for them.

>
> iDEN is what it is to CDMA/TDMA/AMPS/GSM/GPRS as Broadband is to Dial-Up
> and ISDN as far as the Internet is concerned.

Agreed- for now.

>
> Because of the technological advances associated with WiDEN, I think
> WiDEN is more appropriate for the business market. I think Nextel will
> still support the Classic iDEN Protocol as IMO Nextel and SouthernLINC
> (the only other iDEN Provider in the States) are probably gonna support
> Classic iDEN for the next 10-20 years (There's still room to improve
> iDEN), because like I said, iDEN was meant to be a martyr of
> productivity rather than a consumer-level communications protocol.

I think there may be some confusion here- all voice traffic will continue to
use current technology. It is only data transmission and wireless
applications that will benefit from the new technology

>
> Rest assured, I'm pretty sure that Nextel and SouthernLINC will still
> support the iDEN Protocol for the next 2 decades.
>

Nextel may make the leap to CDMA (as part of an acquisition), but it would
be a gradual migration. I think 20 years is probably a little optimistic.

Mark Kim wrote:

> Which I'm assuming that Nextel is aiming the WiDEN Protocol towards
> Small Business and High-End Enterprise Users....
>
> I think Nextel is planning to have WiDEN as the Core Technology for the
> demanding Business Market, and Classic iDEN for the Consumer Market, but
> IMO iDEN or WiDEN was meant to be a tool for businesses rather than
> consumers.

Nextel makes no bones about it- their entire business plan revolves around
their business and government customers. Consumer accounts are a throw in
for them.

>
> iDEN is what it is to CDMA/TDMA/AMPS/GSM/GPRS as Broadband is to Dial-Up
> and ISDN as far as the Internet is concerned.

Agreed- for now.

>
> Because of the technological advances associated with WiDEN, I think
> WiDEN is more appropriate for the business market. I think Nextel will
> still support the Classic iDEN Protocol as IMO Nextel and SouthernLINC
> (the only other iDEN Provider in the States) are probably gonna support
> Classic iDEN for the next 10-20 years (There's still room to improve
> iDEN), because like I said, iDEN was meant to be a martyr of
> productivity rather than a consumer-level communications protocol.

I think there may be some confusion here- all voice traffic will continue to
use current technology. It is only data transmission and wireless
applications that will benefit from the new technology

>
> Rest assured, I'm pretty sure that Nextel and SouthernLINC will still
> support the iDEN Protocol for the next 2 decades.
>

Nextel may make the leap to CDMA (as part of an acquisition), but it would
be a gradual migration. I think 20 years is probably a little optimistic.

I'm not sure if Nextel and Motorola is planning to deploy CDMA as a part
of the Multi-Protocol iDEN Cellular Protocol, though. GSM and GPRS are
likely, but I'm not sure about CDMA being a part of the iDEN Protocol,
though. I am unaware whether or not the WiDEN will actually include GSM
and GPRS as a part of the iDEN Multi-Protocol System. CDMA usually
takes away more battery life than GSM or GPRS but CDMA usually ensures
that you are not getting too many dropped calls in almost all instances.
The only things I hate about CDMA is that you might hear echoes of
your own voice while you are talking to another CDMA/PCS Headset, and
sometimes, depending on how you hold your phone, the volume of your
phone might be too low at times. Do you think that Nextel and Motorola
will exclude CDMA and PCS from iDEN's chain of protocols? Remember that
iDEN is a chain of Cellular Technologies integrated into one protocol,
and so will WiDEN.


> I think there may be some confusion here- all voice traffic will continue to
> use current technology. It is only data transmission and wireless
> applications that will benefit from the new technology

So the only reason why Nextel and Motorola is developing WiDEN is for
Data Transmission and Wireless Application Speed Purposes, travelling at
the speed of broadband? I think we're talking potential WiDEN Broadband
Modems that will enable a computer to surf the Internet at 50 times the
speed of traditional dial-up.....

I think WiDEN might be implemented on PC Cards, Nextel Wireless Network
Cards, Nextel WiDEN Routers, anything that might take advantage of
Nextel and Motorola's WiDEN Technology provided that the computer meets
the minimum hardware specs for such....

iDEN, on the other hand, I think will still be prevalent as long as Cell
Phones are lurking around. iDEN is a combination of GSM, TDMA, VSELP,
QAM, AMPS, and USDC. I think that the Nextel Network excludes the AMPS
protocol, though Motorola suggests that AMPS is an necessary foundation
of the multi-band iDEN Protocol. I'm not sure if CDMA is on Motorola's
WiDEN list, though....

I'm not sure if Nextel and Motorola is planning to deploy CDMA as a part
of the Multi-Protocol iDEN Cellular Protocol, though. GSM and GPRS are
likely, but I'm not sure about CDMA being a part of the iDEN Protocol,
though. I am unaware whether or not the WiDEN will actually include GSM
and GPRS as a part of the iDEN Multi-Protocol System. CDMA usually
takes away more battery life than GSM or GPRS but CDMA usually ensures
that you are not getting too many dropped calls in almost all instances.
The only things I hate about CDMA is that you might hear echoes of
your own voice while you are talking to another CDMA/PCS Headset, and
sometimes, depending on how you hold your phone, the volume of your
phone might be too low at times. Do you think that Nextel and Motorola
will exclude CDMA and PCS from iDEN's chain of protocols? Remember that
iDEN is a chain of Cellular Technologies integrated into one protocol,
and so will WiDEN.


> I think there may be some confusion here- all voice traffic will continue to
> use current technology. It is only data transmission and wireless
> applications that will benefit from the new technology

So the only reason why Nextel and Motorola is developing WiDEN is for
Data Transmission and Wireless Application Speed Purposes, travelling at
the speed of broadband? I think we're talking potential WiDEN Broadband
Modems that will enable a computer to surf the Internet at 50 times the
speed of traditional dial-up.....

I think WiDEN might be implemented on PC Cards, Nextel Wireless Network
Cards, Nextel WiDEN Routers, anything that might take advantage of
Nextel and Motorola's WiDEN Technology provided that the computer meets
the minimum hardware specs for such....

iDEN, on the other hand, I think will still be prevalent as long as Cell
Phones are lurking around. iDEN is a combination of GSM, TDMA, VSELP,
QAM, AMPS, and USDC. I think that the Nextel Network excludes the AMPS
protocol, though Motorola suggests that AMPS is an necessary foundation
of the multi-band iDEN Protocol. I'm not sure if CDMA is on Motorola's
WiDEN list, though....

Mark Kim wrote:

> I'm not sure if Nextel and Motorola is planning to deploy CDMA as a part
> of the Multi-Protocol iDEN Cellular Protocol, though. GSM and GPRS are
> likely, but I'm not sure about CDMA being a part of the iDEN Protocol,
> though. I am unaware whether or not the WiDEN will actually include GSM
> and GPRS as a part of the iDEN Multi-Protocol System. CDMA usually
> takes away more battery life than GSM or GPRS but CDMA usually ensures
> that you are not getting too many dropped calls in almost all instances.
> The only things I hate about CDMA is that you might hear echoes of
> your own voice while you are talking to another CDMA/PCS Headset, and
> sometimes, depending on how you hold your phone, the volume of your
> phone might be too low at times. Do you think that Nextel and Motorola
> will exclude CDMA and PCS from iDEN's chain of protocols? Remember that
> iDEN is a chain of Cellular Technologies integrated into one protocol,
> and so will WiDEN.
>

Keep in mind that Nextel has the rights to Qualcomm's CDMA PTT technology,
which includes an iDen-to-CDMA bridge. And if you listen to any of
Donahue's speaking engagemants, CDMA does come out of his mouth an awful
lot (the others do not)



>
> So the only reason why Nextel and Motorola is developing WiDEN is for
> Data Transmission and Wireless Application Speed Purposes, travelling at
> the speed of broadband? I think we're talking potential WiDEN Broadband
> Modems that will enable a computer to surf the Internet at 50 times the
> speed of traditional dial-up.....

Eventually, this would be the plan. I think you will see WiDen as the first
generation of high speed data, only to be surpassed by true wireless
broadband capability.

>
> I think WiDEN might be implemented on PC Cards, Nextel Wireless Network
> Cards, Nextel WiDEN Routers, anything that might take advantage of
> Nextel and Motorola's WiDEN Technology provided that the computer meets
> the minimum hardware specs for such....

Agreed.

Mark Kim wrote:

> I'm not sure if Nextel and Motorola is planning to deploy CDMA as a part
> of the Multi-Protocol iDEN Cellular Protocol, though. GSM and GPRS are
> likely, but I'm not sure about CDMA being a part of the iDEN Protocol,
> though. I am unaware whether or not the WiDEN will actually include GSM
> and GPRS as a part of the iDEN Multi-Protocol System. CDMA usually
> takes away more battery life than GSM or GPRS but CDMA usually ensures
> that you are not getting too many dropped calls in almost all instances.
> The only things I hate about CDMA is that you might hear echoes of
> your own voice while you are talking to another CDMA/PCS Headset, and
> sometimes, depending on how you hold your phone, the volume of your
> phone might be too low at times. Do you think that Nextel and Motorola
> will exclude CDMA and PCS from iDEN's chain of protocols? Remember that
> iDEN is a chain of Cellular Technologies integrated into one protocol,
> and so will WiDEN.
>

Keep in mind that Nextel has the rights to Qualcomm's CDMA PTT technology,
which includes an iDen-to-CDMA bridge. And if you listen to any of
Donahue's speaking engagemants, CDMA does come out of his mouth an awful
lot (the others do not)



>
> So the only reason why Nextel and Motorola is developing WiDEN is for
> Data Transmission and Wireless Application Speed Purposes, travelling at
> the speed of broadband? I think we're talking potential WiDEN Broadband
> Modems that will enable a computer to surf the Internet at 50 times the
> speed of traditional dial-up.....

Eventually, this would be the plan. I think you will see WiDen as the first
generation of high speed data, only to be surpassed by true wireless
broadband capability.

>
> I think WiDEN might be implemented on PC Cards, Nextel Wireless Network
> Cards, Nextel WiDEN Routers, anything that might take advantage of
> Nextel and Motorola's WiDEN Technology provided that the computer meets
> the minimum hardware specs for such....

Agreed.

"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:T_ztb.1431$_i1.896825@news2.news.adelphia.net ...

> Nextel makes no bones about it- their entire business plan revolves around
> their business and government customers.

I think "entire" is a fairly strong statement, and certainly ignores the 10
year $70 million /per entitlement program with NA$CAR.

"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:T_ztb.1431$_i1.896825@news2.news.adelphia.net ...

> Nextel makes no bones about it- their entire business plan revolves around
> their business and government customers.

I think "entire" is a fairly strong statement, and certainly ignores the 10
year $70 million /per entitlement program with NA$CAR.