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  1. #46
    Clay
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    Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

    Western is a CDMA carrier for their own customers. They support TDMA and now
    GSM for roaming. They are adding GSM to their towers using 1900 mhz spectrum
    acquired from T-Mobile (formerly voicestream who was at one time a
    subsidiary of Western).




    "Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    >
    > WAW wrote:
    > > I think that if anything happens, it will be a Cingular/AT&T Wireless
    > > deal. Here's what I see AT&T Wireless doing to make themselves
    > > attractive (off the top of my head):
    > >
    > > -Dropping their IT Payroll down to almost zilch. Brings up the
    > > profitability.
    > > -Selling off all overseas stakes in other providers. Ditto.
    > > -Recent focus in financials on profitability. They've moved from
    > > "here's how many new people we're getting" to "here's how much we're
    > > making per subscriber".
    > >
    > > I also found it interesting that Rogers in Canada will be dropping the
    > > "AT&T" from their name, again some time in mid '04.
    > >
    > > Finally, I think it would be easier to work around NTT's 16% stake in
    > > AWE than D. Telekom's hold on TMobile.

    >
    > Yes, however, if there was a Cingular/AT&T WS deal, I think that the
    > newly formed wirless carrier would probably ally T-Mobile more than
    > crush it (at least for now). Cingular/T-Mobile have some attractive
    > deals going on with each other, and I think the new company and T-Mobile
    > would "swap" coverage areas, meaning that T-Mobile would be responsible
    > for building out into more rural areas in some instances, and Cingular
    > would be responsible to build out in other areas, thus helping spread
    > the GSM coverage.
    >
    > I also think that Cingular is very interested in Western Wireless.
    > Western Wireless, being primarily a rural wireless service provider, is
    > not very profitable, if at all (depending upong the time). I have heard
    > rumours that Western Wireless is going to sell out to Cingular, and
    > suddenly right after those rumours, Western Wireless announced it is
    > going to build an 850/1900 GSM/GPRS network (interesting, isn't it?).
    > the acquisition of Western Wireless, which almost all of the markets it
    > operates in do not overlap with Cingular markets, would hardly be a
    > problem with 850 A/B spectrum cap. It would also give Cingular a huge
    > advantage to have a much larger native network.
    >
    > Not only that, but AT&T and Cingular are Western's largest roaming
    > partners, and AT&T alone controls almost 20% of Western's revenue from
    > roaming from its own customers. If a Cingular/AT&T deal were to arise,
    > Western Wireless would be at the mercy of the new carrier not only for
    > revenue, but also for allowing its customers to roam. Of course,
    > there's also the idea of a hostile takeover, too.
    >
    > If Cingular/AT&T/Western Wireless could all unite, I think we would see
    > (after the bugs worked out) a massively large, stable, native network
    > coverage area.
    >
    > ==AD
    >






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  2. #47
    Clay
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    Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

    WW currenty has just over 100 towers in 5 midwest states live with GSM 1900
    for ROAMING purposes only. WW has zero future plans to allow their own
    subscribers to use their GSM Network. FYI WW uses Cellular A side for all of
    their Cellular One markets and has 1 PCS market in Amarillo Texas operating
    under the Western Wireless brand name.


    "Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > Clay wrote:
    > > Western is a CDMA carrier for their own customers. They support TDMA and

    now
    > > GSM for roaming. They are adding GSM to their towers using 1900 mhz

    spectrum
    > > acquired from T-Mobile (formerly voicestream who was at one time a
    > > subsidiary of Western).

    >
    >
    > Do you have any idea where these GSM 1900 areas are? So far, I only
    > know of GSM 850. If I was told correctly by a Cellular One
    > representative, WW is mostly cellular A and B across the board.
    >
    > ==AD
    >






  3. #48
    Clay
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    Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

    Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Iowa & Missouri. WW is installing GSM 1900 &
    GSM 850 to satisfy their roaming agreements with T-Mobile, Cingulae & ATTWS.
    WW should have GSM across their entire footprint by 6/30/2004. Their 1x
    overlay should be complete by then also.



    "Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > Clay wrote:
    > > WW currenty has just over 100 towers in 5 midwest states live with GSM

    1900
    > > for ROAMING purposes only. WW has zero future plans to allow their own
    > > subscribers to use their GSM Network. FYI WW uses Cellular A side for

    all of
    > > their Cellular One markets and has 1 PCS market in Amarillo Texas

    operating
    > > under the Western Wireless brand name.

    >
    > Which 5 states?
    >
    > ==AD
    >






  4. #49
    d
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    Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004


    "Melee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 4 Dec 2003 10:32:24 -0800, [email protected] (WAW) wrote:
    >
    > >I think that if anything happens, it will be a Cingular/AT&T Wireless
    > >deal. Here's what I see AT&T Wireless doing to make themselves
    > >attractive (off the top of my head):
    > >
    > >-Dropping their IT Payroll down to almost zilch. Brings up the
    > >profitability.
    > >-Selling off all overseas stakes in other providers. Ditto.
    > >-Recent focus in financials on profitability. They've moved from
    > >"here's how many new people we're getting" to "here's how much we're
    > >making per subscriber".
    > >
    > >I also found it interesting that Rogers in Canada will be dropping the
    > >"AT&T" from their name, again some time in mid '04.
    > >
    > >Finally, I think it would be easier to work around NTT's 16% stake in
    > >AWE than D. Telekom's hold on TMobile.

    >
    > The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
    > destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
    > will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.




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  5. #50
    David
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    Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "d" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
    > > destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
    > > will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.



    They might make them sell off in areas where they didnt have 4
    competitors, but itsRepublicans running the FTC now, so any merger WILL
    go through.



  6. #51
    Cyrus Afzali
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

    On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:09:34 GMT, David <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > "d" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
    >> > destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
    >> > will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.

    >
    >
    >They might make them sell off in areas where they didnt have 4
    >competitors, but itsRepublicans running the FTC now, so any merger WILL
    >go through.


    No matter who's in the White House, the notion that the FCC would
    derail consolidation in an industry with nine major players is
    ridiculous.

    People forget that until about 5 years ago or so, we had 2 commercial
    jet makers in the U.S. -- McDonnell Douglas and Boeing. The latter
    bought up the former with no antitrust difficulty, relatively
    speaking. That deal meant a lot more to the overall competitive
    landscape of that industry than any wireless merger would.



  7. #52
    Patrick Bosley
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    Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

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    In article <rMczb.41369$Ac3.10365@lakeread01>,
    "Bill Roland" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
    > T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
    > doesn't care about what they are doing? Let me answer that one for you:
    > wrong.


    We now have Republicans at the switch, unlike when they stopped MCI from
    getting SprintPCS.

    As long as most part of the country have 4 carriers, and no single
    carrier has more than 40% of market, Mergers should not be an issue.



  8. #53
    John Navas
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    Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

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    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <rMczb.41369$Ac3.10365@lakeread01> on Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:28:05 -0500, "Bill
    Roland" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:38:31
    >> GMT, "[email protected]" <Michelle Johnson> wrote:


    >> >The "feds" also broke up AT&T back in '84. They wont allow a merger
    >> >between Cingular and AT&T, it would destroy T-Mobile.

    >>
    >> The "feds" don't care about T-Mobile -- it's not domestic.


    >What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
    >T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
    >doesn't care about what they are doing? ...


    Didn't say that -- read more carefully.


    p.s. Please place follow-up material below (not above) quoted material, as
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    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  9. #54
    Patrick Bosley
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    Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

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    In article <rMczb.41369$Ac3.10365@lakeread01>,
    "Bill Roland" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
    > T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
    > doesn't care about what they are doing? Let me answer that one for you:
    > wrong.


    We now have Republicans at the switch, unlike when they stopped MCI from
    getting SprintPCS.

    As long as most part of the country have 4 carriers, and no single
    carrier has more than 40% of market, Mergers should not be an issue.



  10. #55
    John Navas
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    Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004

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    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <rMczb.41369$Ac3.10365@lakeread01> on Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:28:05 -0500, "Bill
    Roland" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:38:31
    >> GMT, "[email protected]" <Michelle Johnson> wrote:


    >> >The "feds" also broke up AT&T back in '84. They wont allow a merger
    >> >between Cingular and AT&T, it would destroy T-Mobile.

    >>
    >> The "feds" don't care about T-Mobile -- it's not domestic.


    >What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
    >T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
    >doesn't care about what they are doing? ...


    Didn't say that -- read more carefully.


    p.s. Please place follow-up material below (not above) quoted material, as
    explained in Q7 of "Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings"
    <http://member.newsguy.com/~schramm/nquote.html> (published by the
    news.newusers.questions Moderation Board), unless a thread is already using
    top posting. (Mixing posting styles in a given thread is confusing.)

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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