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- 12-06-2003, 06:11 AM #46ClayGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
Western is a CDMA carrier for their own customers. They support TDMA and now
GSM for roaming. They are adding GSM to their towers using 1900 mhz spectrum
acquired from T-Mobile (formerly voicestream who was at one time a
subsidiary of Western).
"Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> WAW wrote:
> > I think that if anything happens, it will be a Cingular/AT&T Wireless
> > deal. Here's what I see AT&T Wireless doing to make themselves
> > attractive (off the top of my head):
> >
> > -Dropping their IT Payroll down to almost zilch. Brings up the
> > profitability.
> > -Selling off all overseas stakes in other providers. Ditto.
> > -Recent focus in financials on profitability. They've moved from
> > "here's how many new people we're getting" to "here's how much we're
> > making per subscriber".
> >
> > I also found it interesting that Rogers in Canada will be dropping the
> > "AT&T" from their name, again some time in mid '04.
> >
> > Finally, I think it would be easier to work around NTT's 16% stake in
> > AWE than D. Telekom's hold on TMobile.
>
> Yes, however, if there was a Cingular/AT&T WS deal, I think that the
> newly formed wirless carrier would probably ally T-Mobile more than
> crush it (at least for now). Cingular/T-Mobile have some attractive
> deals going on with each other, and I think the new company and T-Mobile
> would "swap" coverage areas, meaning that T-Mobile would be responsible
> for building out into more rural areas in some instances, and Cingular
> would be responsible to build out in other areas, thus helping spread
> the GSM coverage.
>
> I also think that Cingular is very interested in Western Wireless.
> Western Wireless, being primarily a rural wireless service provider, is
> not very profitable, if at all (depending upong the time). I have heard
> rumours that Western Wireless is going to sell out to Cingular, and
> suddenly right after those rumours, Western Wireless announced it is
> going to build an 850/1900 GSM/GPRS network (interesting, isn't it?).
> the acquisition of Western Wireless, which almost all of the markets it
> operates in do not overlap with Cingular markets, would hardly be a
> problem with 850 A/B spectrum cap. It would also give Cingular a huge
> advantage to have a much larger native network.
>
> Not only that, but AT&T and Cingular are Western's largest roaming
> partners, and AT&T alone controls almost 20% of Western's revenue from
> roaming from its own customers. If a Cingular/AT&T deal were to arise,
> Western Wireless would be at the mercy of the new carrier not only for
> revenue, but also for allowing its customers to roam. Of course,
> there's also the idea of a hostile takeover, too.
>
> If Cingular/AT&T/Western Wireless could all unite, I think we would see
> (after the bugs worked out) a massively large, stable, native network
> coverage area.
>
> ==AD
>
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- 12-06-2003, 04:23 PM #47ClayGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
WW currenty has just over 100 towers in 5 midwest states live with GSM 1900
for ROAMING purposes only. WW has zero future plans to allow their own
subscribers to use their GSM Network. FYI WW uses Cellular A side for all of
their Cellular One markets and has 1 PCS market in Amarillo Texas operating
under the Western Wireless brand name.
"Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Clay wrote:
> > Western is a CDMA carrier for their own customers. They support TDMA and
now
> > GSM for roaming. They are adding GSM to their towers using 1900 mhz
spectrum
> > acquired from T-Mobile (formerly voicestream who was at one time a
> > subsidiary of Western).
>
>
> Do you have any idea where these GSM 1900 areas are? So far, I only
> know of GSM 850. If I was told correctly by a Cellular One
> representative, WW is mostly cellular A and B across the board.
>
> ==AD
>
- 12-09-2003, 09:58 PM #48ClayGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Iowa & Missouri. WW is installing GSM 1900 &
GSM 850 to satisfy their roaming agreements with T-Mobile, Cingulae & ATTWS.
WW should have GSM across their entire footprint by 6/30/2004. Their 1x
overlay should be complete by then also.
"Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Clay wrote:
> > WW currenty has just over 100 towers in 5 midwest states live with GSM
1900
> > for ROAMING purposes only. WW has zero future plans to allow their own
> > subscribers to use their GSM Network. FYI WW uses Cellular A side for
all of
> > their Cellular One markets and has 1 PCS market in Amarillo Texas
operating
> > under the Western Wireless brand name.
>
> Which 5 states?
>
> ==AD
>
- 12-13-2003, 01:03 PM #49dGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
"Melee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 4 Dec 2003 10:32:24 -0800, [email protected] (WAW) wrote:
>
> >I think that if anything happens, it will be a Cingular/AT&T Wireless
> >deal. Here's what I see AT&T Wireless doing to make themselves
> >attractive (off the top of my head):
> >
> >-Dropping their IT Payroll down to almost zilch. Brings up the
> >profitability.
> >-Selling off all overseas stakes in other providers. Ditto.
> >-Recent focus in financials on profitability. They've moved from
> >"here's how many new people we're getting" to "here's how much we're
> >making per subscriber".
> >
> >I also found it interesting that Rogers in Canada will be dropping the
> >"AT&T" from their name, again some time in mid '04.
> >
> >Finally, I think it would be easier to work around NTT's 16% stake in
> >AWE than D. Telekom's hold on TMobile.
>
> The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
> destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
> will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.
You mean like Verizon wireline ?
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- 12-13-2003, 01:09 PM #50DavidGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
In article <[email protected]>,
"d" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
> > destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
> > will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.
They might make them sell off in areas where they didnt have 4
competitors, but itsRepublicans running the FTC now, so any merger WILL
go through.
- 12-14-2003, 08:44 PM #51Cyrus AfzaliGuest
Re: NEWS: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:09:34 GMT, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> "d" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > The government would never allow AT&T and Cingular to merge. It would
>> > destroy T-Mobile leaving them to brought out and then after, there
>> > will be one GSM provider in the country - a monopoly.
>
>
>They might make them sell off in areas where they didnt have 4
>competitors, but itsRepublicans running the FTC now, so any merger WILL
>go through.
No matter who's in the White House, the notion that the FCC would
derail consolidation in an industry with nine major players is
ridiculous.
People forget that until about 5 years ago or so, we had 2 commercial
jet makers in the U.S. -- McDonnell Douglas and Boeing. The latter
bought up the former with no antitrust difficulty, relatively
speaking. That deal meant a lot more to the overall competitive
landscape of that industry than any wireless merger would.
- 01-01-2004, 12:00 AM #52Patrick BosleyGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In article <rMczb.41369$Ac3.10365@lakeread01>,
"Bill Roland" <[email protected]> wrote:
> What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
> T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
> doesn't care about what they are doing? Let me answer that one for you:
> wrong.
We now have Republicans at the switch, unlike when they stopped MCI from
getting SprintPCS.
As long as most part of the country have 4 carriers, and no single
carrier has more than 40% of market, Mergers should not be an issue.
- 01-01-2004, 12:00 AM #53John NavasGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In <rMczb.41369$Ac3.10365@lakeread01> on Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:28:05 -0500, "Bill
Roland" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:38:31
>> GMT, "[email protected]" <Michelle Johnson> wrote:
>> >The "feds" also broke up AT&T back in '84. They wont allow a merger
>> >between Cingular and AT&T, it would destroy T-Mobile.
>>
>> The "feds" don't care about T-Mobile -- it's not domestic.
>What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
>T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
>doesn't care about what they are doing? ...
Didn't say that -- read more carefully.
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- 01-01-2004, 12:00 AM #54Patrick BosleyGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In article <rMczb.41369$Ac3.10365@lakeread01>,
"Bill Roland" <[email protected]> wrote:
> What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
> T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
> doesn't care about what they are doing? Let me answer that one for you:
> wrong.
We now have Republicans at the switch, unlike when they stopped MCI from
getting SprintPCS.
As long as most part of the country have 4 carriers, and no single
carrier has more than 40% of market, Mergers should not be an issue.
- 01-01-2004, 12:00 AM #55John NavasGuest
Re: Cingular Gets Approval for Acquisition Deal as Soon As 2004
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In <rMczb.41369$Ac3.10365@lakeread01> on Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:28:05 -0500, "Bill
Roland" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:38:31
>> GMT, "[email protected]" <Michelle Johnson> wrote:
>> >The "feds" also broke up AT&T back in '84. They wont allow a merger
>> >between Cingular and AT&T, it would destroy T-Mobile.
>>
>> The "feds" don't care about T-Mobile -- it's not domestic.
>What an idiotic statement. You think that because a German company owns
>T-Mobile, that the government doesn't have a say-so in what they do or
>doesn't care about what they are doing? ...
Didn't say that -- read more carefully.
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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
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