Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?

A MIDI file doesnt create sound, it only contains information telling a
sound device i.e. your soundcard what sounds to play and when.

"half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mr C" <total_incognito@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:uittdLY9DHA.1112@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Reading the FAQs on that makes it sound like the other two who replied
> were
> > talking sense. I've used another program called something like Wav2MIDI
> and
> > it was poo. Amazing MIDI (as offered in that link) is freeware though so
> > give it a go. I'm sceptical however... a better option might be to
> download
> > the MIDI file of the song you want to transcribe and use that in your
> > compositions. Try a search on google for 'MIDI library' or something.
>
> I would have thought if a MIDI file can create the sound then the sound
> can be used to create a suitable MIDI file, the quality would depend on
how
> good
> the converter was.
>
> >
> >
> > "half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c0tj2e$1aqii8$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into
..mid
> ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Mario
> > >
> > > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> > > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
> > >
> > > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

In article <c0tnh1$1ccm0r$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
> newsan.2004.02.17.18.02.59.632000@ivetva.arg...
> > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:29:08 +0000, half_pint wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > >> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid
> ?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Mario
> > >
> > > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> >
> > Very differently. WAV, AIFF, etc. are sound sample files. MIDI is a
> > musical description file/protocol which does not carry samples. That's
> > done with the MIDI playing application/hardware.
> >
> > > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
> > >
> > > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
> >
> > Yup that's a simple *single* instrument piano piece. Try it with something
> > more complex, especially if it's got vocals. See also Room102's 'S-Club 7'
> > comment in this thread.
>
> I think you will find sound is sound, if you have sound stored in one format
> it can be converted into another, how good the results are depends on how
> good the conversion program is.
> >
> > --
> > Michael Turner
> > Email (ROT13)
> > zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

Except Midi isnt sound - as others have tried and obviously failed to
explain to you. The sound is only generated at the end of the chain (and
only if you want to).

Joe

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
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> First hit on google "wav to mid":
> http://www.intelliscore.net/
> Dave

Hmmm well pretty much as I said, I guess I am right after all, as usual ;O)

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> "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mario
>
>

"Peter" <disorganised@nocom.com> wrote in message
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> In article <c0tnh1$1ccm0r$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
> > newsan.2004.02.17.18.02.59.632000@ivetva.arg...
> > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:29:08 +0000, half_pint wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > > > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > > >> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into
..mid
> > ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>
> > > >> Mario
> > > >
> > > > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> > >
> > > Very differently. WAV, AIFF, etc. are sound sample files. MIDI is a
> > > musical description file/protocol which does not carry samples. That's
> > > done with the MIDI playing application/hardware.
> > >
> > > > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
> > >
> > > Yup that's a simple *single* instrument piano piece. Try it with
something
> > > more complex, especially if it's got vocals. See also Room102's
'S-Club 7'
> > > comment in this thread.
> >
> > I think you will find sound is sound, if you have sound stored in one
format
> > it can be converted into another, how good the results are depends on
how
> > good the conversion program is.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Turner
> > > Email (ROT13)
> > > zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg
>
> Except Midi isnt sound - as others have tried and obviously failed to
> explain to you. The sound is only generated at the end of the chain (and
> only if you want to).

And .wav and mp3 are not sound either, they are converted into sound by
decoding, just like the midi file will be.

A .wav file doesn't make a noise by it self ( as far as I am aware).

--
---------------
regards half_pint

> Joe

"Karl" <kd@TAKEOUTbigwig.net> wrote in message
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> A MIDI file doesnt create sound, it only contains information telling a
> sound device i.e. your soundcard what sounds to play and when.


Obviously when it is processed my the relevant decoder equipment
ithe sound is created, without being too pedantic about it.

>
> "half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c0tnm1$1cd7cd$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Mr C" <total_incognito@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:uittdLY9DHA.1112@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Reading the FAQs on that makes it sound like the other two who replied
> > were
> > > talking sense. I've used another program called something like
Wav2MIDI
> > and
> > > it was poo. Amazing MIDI (as offered in that link) is freeware though
so
> > > give it a go. I'm sceptical however... a better option might be to
> > download
> > > the MIDI file of the song you want to transcribe and use that in your
> > > compositions. Try a search on google for 'MIDI library' or something.
> >
> > I would have thought if a MIDI file can create the sound then the sound
> > can be used to create a suitable MIDI file, the quality would depend on
> how
> > good
> > the converter was.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > "half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:c0tj2e$1aqii8$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > >
> > > > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > > > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into
> .mid
> > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mario
> > > >
> > > > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> > > > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

In article <c0u516$1blbug$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Peter" <disorganised@nocom.com> wrote in message
> news:disorganised-C950D0.09250218022004@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> > In article <c0tnh1$1ccm0r$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> > "half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
> > > newsan.2004.02.17.18.02.59.632000@ivetva.arg...
> > > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:29:08 +0000, half_pint wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > > > > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > >> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into
> .mid
> > > ?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mario
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> > > >
> > > > Very differently. WAV, AIFF, etc. are sound sample files. MIDI is a
> > > > musical description file/protocol which does not carry samples. That's
> > > > done with the MIDI playing application/hardware.
> > > >
> > > > > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
> > > >
> > > > Yup that's a simple *single* instrument piano piece. Try it with
> something
> > > > more complex, especially if it's got vocals. See also Room102's
> 'S-Club 7'
> > > > comment in this thread.
> > >
> > > I think you will find sound is sound, if you have sound stored in one
> format
> > > it can be converted into another, how good the results are depends on
> how
> > > good the conversion program is.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Michael Turner
> > > > Email (ROT13)
> > > > zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg
> >
> > Except Midi isnt sound - as others have tried and obviously failed to
> > explain to you. The sound is only generated at the end of the chain (and
> > only if you want to).
>
> And .wav and mp3 are not sound either, they are converted into sound by
> decoding, just like the midi file will be.
>
> A .wav file doesn't make a noise by it self ( as far as I am aware).
>
> --
> ---------------
> regards half_pint
>
> > Joe
>
>

Whatever. Let us know when you find that bit of software that takes a
..wav file, splits all the instruments out into seperate channels, shows
us each note and its duration, allows you to mute an instrument or even
change it into some other instrument and all the other things that midi
can do (and .wav cant). Automatic transciption of the voice into a lyric
track too of coarse.

Joe

"Peter" <disorganised@nocom.com> wrote in message
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> In article <c0u516$1blbug$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Peter" <disorganised@nocom.com> wrote in message
> > news:disorganised-C950D0.09250218022004@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> > > In article <c0tnh1$1ccm0r$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> > > "half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
> > > > newsan.2004.02.17.18.02.59.632000@ivetva.arg...
> > > > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:29:08 +0000, half_pint wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > >> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav
into
> > .mid
> > > > ?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mario
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> > > > >
> > > > > Very differently. WAV, AIFF, etc. are sound sample files. MIDI is
a
> > > > > musical description file/protocol which does not carry samples.
That's
> > > > > done with the MIDI playing application/hardware.
> > > > >
> > > > > > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
> > > > >
> > > > > Yup that's a simple *single* instrument piano piece. Try it with
> > something
> > > > > more complex, especially if it's got vocals. See also Room102's
> > 'S-Club 7'
> > > > > comment in this thread.
> > > >
> > > > I think you will find sound is sound, if you have sound stored in
one
> > format
> > > > it can be converted into another, how good the results are depends
on
> > how
> > > > good the conversion program is.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Michael Turner
> > > > > Email (ROT13)
> > > > > zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg
> > >
> > > Except Midi isnt sound - as others have tried and obviously failed to
> > > explain to you. The sound is only generated at the end of the chain
(and
> > > only if you want to).
> >
> > And .wav and mp3 are not sound either, they are converted into sound by
> > decoding, just like the midi file will be.
> >
> > A .wav file doesn't make a noise by it self ( as far as I am aware).
> >
> > --
> > ---------------
> > regards half_pint
> >
> > > Joe
> >
> >
>
> Whatever. Let us know when you find that bit of software that takes a
> .wav file, splits all the instruments out into seperate channels, shows
> us each note and its duration, allows you to mute an instrument or even
> change it into some other instrument and all the other things that midi
> can do (and .wav cant). Automatic transciption of the voice into a lyric
> track too of coarse.
>
> Joe

Will next Thursday be OK?

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:45:11 +0000, half_pint wrote:

>
> "michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
> newsan.2004.02.17.18.02.59.632000@ivetva.arg...
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:29:08 +0000, half_pint wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
>> > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
>> >> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid
> ?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Mario
>> >
>> > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
>>
>> Very differently. WAV, AIFF, etc. are sound sample files. MIDI is a
>> musical description file/protocol which does not carry samples. That's
>> done with the MIDI playing application/hardware.
>>
>> > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
>> >
>> > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
>>
>> Yup that's a simple *single* instrument piano piece. Try it with something
>> more complex, especially if it's got vocals. See also Room102's 'S-Club 7'
>> comment in this thread.
>
> I think you will find sound is sound, if you have sound stored in one format
> it can be converted into another, how good the results are depends on how
> good the conversion program is.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:11:11 -0000, "half_pint"
<esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> It's been done, but only for very simple sounds.
>>
>Well it sounds perfectly possible to me, it just requires a bit of 'nouse'.

OK. Try. There are demo versions of some of the programs that
pretend to do this. Take a soundfile of something more complex than
a single instrument playing something simple, convert to midi and post
your result.

AI think you'll discover that currently the only way to do it is to
use all "nous" and no program at all, except your brain (and
considerable musical experience:-)

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:35:40 -0000, "half_pint"
<esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>And .wav and mp3 are not sound either, they are converted into sound by
>decoding, just like the midi file will be.
>
>A .wav file doesn't make a noise by it self ( as far as I am aware).

You're flogging a dead one here, half_pint, my old mate :-) Give in
gracefully before you make a fool of yourself.


CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:32:42 +0000, half_pint wrote:

>
> "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
> news:_ewYb.788$oj2.700@lakeread03...
>> First hit on google "wav to mid":
>> http://www.intelliscore.net/
>> Dave
>
> Hmmm well pretty much as I said, I guess I am right after all, as usual ;O)

OK then put your S-Club 7, Westlife, Boyzone or whatever WAV thru it and
see what happens.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

Laurence Payne <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:hqa530h3qtek1nhtoph2d698u5srsi3lum@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:11:11 -0000, "half_pint"
> <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> It's been done, but only for very simple sounds.
> >>
> >Well it sounds perfectly possible to me, it just requires a bit of 'nouse'.
>
> OK. Try. There are demo versions of some of the programs that
> pretend to do this. Take a soundfile of something more complex than
> a single instrument playing something simple, convert to midi and post
> your result.

Or, take a soundfile of a single instrument playing something simple.
The drums? Perfect. What could be simpler than the drums?

Rat-a-tat-tat. For those who aren't into music,
there isn't a piece of software in the world that can do it.

All of the people who have stated that it cannot be done are correct.
"It" , of course, refers to the whole shebang. The total enchilada.

A couple of notes correct here and there does not constitute
a successful conversion.

IT is simple. IT cannot be done. IT is that simple.

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:38:50 -0000, "half_pint"
<esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> A MIDI file doesnt create sound, it only contains information telling a
>> sound device i.e. your soundcard what sounds to play and when.
>
>
>Obviously when it is processed my the relevant decoder equipment
>ithe sound is created, without being too pedantic about it.


I'm not sure you WANT to learn! But just in case :-)

Sound files - aiff, wav, MP3 etc contain the data necessary to
reconstruct the actual sound. Like a tape recording (which is no good
until "decoded" by the tape head).

A midi file is MUCH smaller. It contains instructions to a
synthesiser or sample player to play certain notes, using certain
sounds. The sounds used are created by the synth, and, unless the
equipment is identical, will sound different when played on different
systems.

There is a General Midi specification, that specifies that when
Program 0 is specified a Piano sound will be played, Program 56, a
trumpet etc. etc. But what a particular system produces as "Trumpet"
is up for grabs.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

Could you tell me about how great it is once you've bought and evaluated it?
I'm still sceptical, I can't work out how a wav-midi converter would be able
to distinguish between different instruments in a wav file (normally a
number of instrument solos are bounced into one track as audio [wav/au/aiff
etc.]) and map them out separate tracks in an effective way. If this program
cannot, then you're in for a beautiful melodic mixture of gabba-style midi
arrangements as the computer converts each sound pitch it comes across into
a midi note. If you consider midi like a piece of notation, a score if you
like, where you choose the instrument to play the score then it might be
easier to see the difficulty in converting a .wav, .aiff or .au file into a
..mid if there are lots of different instruments playing at once.

I'll give you a blue peter badge for the effort though, you were right
insofar as you can convert wav-midi, it's just that it's so amazingly ****e
in my opinion that I'd prefer to spend my time practising the keyboard to
mimic the tune I want to convert or finding the midi file through the
numerous midi search engines available. I've spent far too much time writing
this, great debate though.

I've got an even better question: what's the best way of capturing the
appalling general midi sounds onto a track as a .wav? Easy with VST
instruments and keyboard internal sounds but difficult with GM sounds.
Beating that, why would anyone want to record GM sounds?

"half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c0u4rk$1ap1p0$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
> news:_ewYb.788$oj2.700@lakeread03...
> > First hit on google "wav to mid":
> > http://www.intelliscore.net/
> > Dave
>
> Hmmm well pretty much as I said, I guess I am right after all, as usual
;O)
>
> --
> ---------------
> regards half_pint
>
> > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > > Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid
?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mario
> >
> >
>
>

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:16:49 +0000, Laurence Payne wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:38:50 -0000, "half_pint"
> <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> A MIDI file doesnt create sound, it only contains information telling a
>>> sound device i.e. your soundcard what sounds to play and when.
>>
>>
>>Obviously when it is processed my the relevant decoder equipment
>>ithe sound is created, without being too pedantic about it.
>
>
> I'm not sure you WANT to learn! But just in case :-)
>
> Sound files - aiff, wav, MP3 etc contain the data necessary to
> reconstruct the actual sound. Like a tape recording (which is no good
> until "decoded" by the tape head).
>
> A midi file is MUCH smaller. It contains instructions to a
> synthesiser or sample player to play certain notes, using certain
> sounds. The sounds used are created by the synth, and, unless the
> equipment is identical, will sound different when played on different
> systems.

Just to add to this, MIDI actually has more in common with *sheet*
*music*, than it does WAV, AIFF, etc. In the fact that they're both a
musical description language/protocol, and do NOT contain samples.

> There is a General Midi specification, that specifies that when Program
> 0 is specified a Piano sound will be played, Program 56, a trumpet etc.
> etc. But what a particular system produces as "Trumpet" is up for
> grabs.
>
> CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
> "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

Yup you know what you're talking about.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg