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- 02-18-2004, 02:21 PM #61KarlGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
"half_pint" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "I don't know much about MIDI's by the way (nor music reallly)"
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Says it all
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- 02-18-2004, 04:02 PM #62CJTGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
michael turner wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:00:01 +0000, Laurence Payne wrote:
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>
>>On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:04:21 -0000, "half_pint"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
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>>
>>>>Just to add to this, MIDI actually has more in common with *sheet*
>>>>*music*, than it does WAV, AIFF, etc. In the fact that they're both a
>>>>musical description language/protocol, and do NOT contain samples.
>>>
>>>At the end of the day they both contain a code for moving the diaphram
>>>on a speaker essentially.
>>>
>>
>>OK. One more try.:-)
>>
>> NO THEY DON'T. Audio files do. Midi files don't. MIDI is not
>>an audio file format. It's a set of instruction to a synthesiser to
>>play its own sounds.
>
>
> <snipped>
>
> My guess is that Half_Pint is just trying to get everyone wound up
> (well it is half-term), or he/she/it is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
>
> Subject closed as far as I'm concerned.
>
I concluded some time ago that half-pint is just a troll.
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- 02-18-2004, 04:19 PM #63Gary S. TerhuneGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
Half_There is something much worse and more despicable than a simple =
troll. Or perhaps social consciousness should play a part in my =
judgment, and I'll simply say that the (whatever it is) should have been =
institutionalized long ago.
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> I concluded some time ago that half-pint is just a troll.
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- 02-18-2004, 04:26 PM #64Gary S. TerhuneGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
Considering the real possibility that recent out-of-control back and =
forth involving Half_There was all really one entity under different =
guises, do you suppose its failure to repro.., er, produce is due to =
time wasted playing with itself?
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> half_pint <[email protected]> wrote in message=20
> >(The usual BS)
> All belligerence, no action
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> http://tinyurl.com/2r8kj
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- 02-18-2004, 04:37 PM #65pjpGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
half-pint here's some things to think about ...
How about taking a deck of cards and deal out all the hands everyone played
(in succession starting with the first hand at table #1) in the last big
money poker tournament. You've got the deck of cards, why would you need to
cheat and watch some video tape of it first?
Or ...
How about I start just sending a stream of bytes past your eyes and you
start telling us when the bytes are from an "exe" file, some image file or
whatever? Converting a waveform to raw midi information is at the least that
difficult a problem, e.g. is this byte from a piano, cymbal, piccalo or
what, is it a harmonic and if so from what, etc. etc.!.
Not saying it "can't be done" as "never" is a dangerous word but ...
remember the wave file is it "all combined" and even though one can isolate
each frequency at a specific time there's no information available to
re-consitute what made that frequency. Remember also that harmonics are
involved that can be augmented, diminished, cancelled out completely and/or
created by interaction with other "notes" being simultaneously played.
Another thing to think about is ...
How the hell when processing any type of "waveform" file is some peice of
software going to determine in "this" instance of time that this specific
frequency "f" was generated by the "p" decay period of a cymbal started "t"
time period ago and loosing "d" decibals and "h" harmonics as it decays
rather than it's high "c" from a piano hit right "now"??? And don't forget
to throw in that fact that not everything's even in tune let alone tuned to
concert pitch.
If you knew how to play any instrument besides the radio, given your obvious
pc keen-ness you'd have thought of these observations or taken the time to
more fully research the subject and you'd know this.
half_pint wrote:
> "Guillaume Fallet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "half_pint" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> It is data which can be decoded to produce sound, just as a mp3 is.
>>>
>>
>> No, I can't believe you haven't understood the difference, yet!
>> After so many posts on this thread!
>> It's a joke? It there an hidden camcorder in a corner of my ceiling?
>
>
> Not really a joke you don't seem to appreciate that they are both data
> files, one is complex data which requires a simple decoder (basically
> decompression code and a digital to analogue converter)
> whilst the other is relatively simple (crude) data which requires a
> complex decoder (presumably a midi (whatever that is)).
>
> Put slightly differently one is a vast amount of data in a simple
> format and the other is a small amount data in a complex format.
>
> Granted it is much harder to convert into the complex format
> but it could be don't.
>
> Its rather like converting from a foreign language into english,
> to the untrained ear it just sounds like a noise but one you know
> how to do it its a doddle.
>
> Ok computers are not very good at understanding speach but
> thats because they have an idiot programming it.
> Same with making midi files, if its a badly done hash it will sound
> like a badly done hash, but thats not to say it could not be done
> prefectly.
>
> I don't know much about MIDI's by the way (nor music reallly)
> but that doesnt change things much.
>
> I think its a bit like a computer writing the musical 'score'?
> automtically by listening to the music.
> And presumably a musician could play the music of a whole orchestra
> on a single instrument (triangle perhaps?) *if* he was good enough.
>
>>
>> So I will try to explain differently:
>>
>> 1/ Yes, you're right when you say that both file formats are just
>> flows of 0 and 1 and that at the end there is a music which appears
>> on your speakers.
>>
>> BUT
>>
>> 2/ No, I'm sorry you're wrong when saying that some actual software
>> tools can do the wav to mid conversion.
>>
>> BECAUSE:
>>
>> There is a fundamental difference which makes the conversion from
>> Wav to Mid very difficult:
>> - wav / mp3 files contain the waveform of the sound directly,
>> compressed or not (this unique waveform is ),
>> - whereas a midi file only contains a list of "note on" and "note
>> off" commands, each having parameters (namely the number of the note
>> from 0 to 127, the of the order, , velocity from 0 to 127). That's
>> why a midi file can be compared to a score sheet. In order to
>> produce a waveform, it is mandatory to use it into a midi instrument
>> (either software like the microsoft default wavetable or hardware
>> like a synthetiser), which will generate the final waveform by
>> playing the wavetable sounds as it has been defined in the midi file
>> commands.
>>
>> To resume, the midi file format has a thing the wav file doesn't
>> have, which is essentially the note on and note off informations.
>> Today, there is no tool sufficiently intelligent to "listen" a
>> complex wav file (unless very simple wav files) and deduce the note
>> on and note off commands. Just because a single note played by an
>> instrument has many many frequencies mixed together and because they
>> mix with those of other instruments, too. The mathematical models
>> used to analyse songs are poors, for now.
>> But of course, it does not mean that such a tool will never exist.
>> After all, if our brain can do it, a computer would be able to do it
>> too.
>
>
> Computers would probably have more success if they moved into the
> frequency domain using fourier transforms to analyse the sound.
> I would do it my myself but I have more complex problems to deal with.
>
>>
>>
>> SY
>> --
>> Guillaume Fallet (France)
- 02-18-2004, 05:13 PM #66Hugh CandlinGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
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Gary S. Terhune <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Considering the real possibility that recent out-of-control back and forth involving Half_There was all really one entity under
different guises, do you suppose its failure to repro.., er, produce is due to time wasted playing with itself?
You have a way with words, Mr Terhune,
you do indeed have a way with words.
But, to answer your question, the answer is no.
I really don't think he has a proper grasp of the matter in hand.
Which doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
- 02-18-2004, 05:39 PM #67michael turnerGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:08:58 -0800, Hugh Candlin wrote:
>
> half_pint <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> They are both essemtially the same.
>> One is many relatively simple instructions.
>> The other is a few relatively complex instructions.
>> But at the end of the day they are both are a set of instructions
>> to produce essentially the same thing.
>> Obviously translating between the two is complex but that doesn't
>> mean it cannot be done.
>> I am fairly confident that with a little more info on the subject I could do
>> it.
>
> All belligerence, no action
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2r8kj
So that's where *half_wit* hangs out. Quite amusing.
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- 02-18-2004, 06:10 PM #68Hugh CandlinGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
michael turner <[email protected]> wrote in message news[email protected]...
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> So that's where *half_wit* hangs out. Quite amusing.
He's a troll, plain and simple.
He intentionally uses lower case, poor *****ing and sentence structure
just to draw attention and responses, and switches from posting low-level
"how do I" type questions, to "I am an expert, do as I say, and by the way,
you are an idiot" type responses to other peoples questions, to blatant,
unsupportable claims, such as the Midi conversion issues, or his claim
to have written a replacement for Windows which he promised "by Friday".
He also switches identities and drops out of sight now and then,
until he feels it time to troll a fresh school of Usenet users.
In short, he is just another faceless mindless grain in a desert
of faceless mindless grains who attempt to disrupt Usenet
for reasons which will never make sense to anyone with intelligence.
He has nothing of substance to say, and I doubt that he gets
any satisfaction out of what he wastes his time on this earth on.
- 02-18-2004, 06:41 PM #69ZamGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
"half_pint" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ok computers are not very good at understanding speach but
> thats because they have an idiot programming it.
Excuse me; I'm going to spend 15 minutes with the Oxford Dictionary to
clean out my mind.
-z
- 02-18-2004, 08:12 PM #70half_pintGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
"Hugh Candlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> michael turner <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > So that's where *half_wit* hangs out. Quite amusing.
>
> He's a troll, plain and simple.
>
> He intentionally uses lower case, poor *****ing and sentence structure
> just to draw attention and responses, and switches from posting low-level
> "how do I" type questions, to "I am an expert, do as I say, and by the
way,
> you are an idiot" type responses to other peoples questions, to blatant,
> unsupportable claims, such as the Midi conversion issues, or his claim
> to have written a replacement for Windows which he promised "by Friday".
>
> He also switches identities and drops out of sight now and then,
> until he feels it time to troll a fresh school of Usenet users.
>
> In short, he is just another faceless mindless grain in a desert
> of faceless mindless grains who attempt to disrupt Usenet
> for reasons which will never make sense to anyone with intelligence.
>
> He has nothing of substance to say, and I doubt that he gets
> any satisfaction out of what he wastes his time on this earth on.
>
>
You just cannot accept I am more intelligent than you - thats your
problem (one of).
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- 02-18-2004, 08:15 PM #71half_pintGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
"michael turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:08:58 -0800, Hugh Candlin wrote:
>
> >
> > half_pint <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >> They are both essemtially the same.
> >> One is many relatively simple instructions.
> >> The other is a few relatively complex instructions.
> >> But at the end of the day they are both are a set of instructions
> >> to produce essentially the same thing.
> >> Obviously translating between the two is complex but that doesn't
> >> mean it cannot be done.
> >> I am fairly confident that with a little more info on the subject I
could do
> >> it.
> >
> > All belligerence, no action
All intelligence no bull****e would be more accurate.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2r8kj
And I hope you notice how I am correct on *every* topic no matter
how diversified :O|
Bit of a surprise that eh?
>
> So that's where *half_wit* hangs out. Quite amusing.
> --
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- 02-18-2004, 08:31 PM #72michael turnerGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:15:38 +0000, half_pint wrote:
>
> "michael turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:08:58 -0800, Hugh Candlin wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > half_pint <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> >> They are both essemtially the same.
>> >> One is many relatively simple instructions.
>> >> The other is a few relatively complex instructions.
>> >> But at the end of the day they are both are a set of instructions
>> >> to produce essentially the same thing.
>> >> Obviously translating between the two is complex but that doesn't
>> >> mean it cannot be done.
>> >> I am fairly confident that with a little more info on the subject I
> could do
>> >> it.
>> >
>> > All belligerence, no action
>
>
> All intelligence no bull****e would be more accurate.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
>> > http://tinyurl.com/2r8kj
>
> And I hope you notice how I am correct on *every* topic no matter
> how diversified :O|
>
> Bit of a surprise that eh?
All I seen is some ****wit who enjoys getting his/her/its ass kicked
around usenet.
>> So that's where *half_wit* hangs out. Quite amusing.
>> --
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>> Email (ROT13)
>> [email protected]
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- 02-18-2004, 09:19 PM #73Lil' DaveGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
Given enough monkeys in front of enough typewriters, one may type 'War and
Peace" This is possible, but not in the realm of most people's perception
of reality.
No claims were made about anyone's intelligence, in my portion of this
thread. Feigning a defense for a non-existent attack, a ruse within a ruse.
Computer chess? Diverging from the subject at hand again.
"I am right after all, as usual", wrong.
Dave
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>
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> "Lil' Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:3CGYb.1043$oj2.919@lakeread03...
> > Try "Amazing Grace" bagpipe version in wav format to mid. A Google
search
> > will find the music. You have the converter. Should be interesting,
Mr.
> > Right was it?
> > Dave
>
> I am not bothered by actually doing it, all I am say is (give peace a
> chance?)
> tha itt could be done.
>
> Oh and how do you know it was bagpipes?
> If you could tell it was bagpipes then so could my computer.
> You mmight think you are smarter but try playing my computer at chess
> and see how far you get.
> (8 million positions analysed.....)
>
>
> --
> ---------------
> regards half_pint
>
>
> > "half_pint" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Lil' Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:_ewYb.788$oj2.700@lakeread03...
> > > > First hit on google "wav to mid":
> > > > http://www.intelliscore.net/
> > > > Dave
> > >
> > > Hmmm well pretty much as I said, I guess I am right after all, as
usual
> > ;O)
> > >
> > > --
> > > ---------------
> > > regards half_pint
> > >
> > > > "Mario" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into
> .mid
> > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mario
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
- 02-18-2004, 10:27 PM #74Curt ChristiansonGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
How could you write it, when you can't even write a decent post? I *know*
Hugh's qualifications, and trust me, they are far above yours.
You are just an immature little twit that can't admit you don't know
everything.
"half_pint" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Hugh Candlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > Laurence Payne <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:11:11 -0000, "half_pint"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> It's been done, but only for very simple sounds.
> > > >>
> > > >Well it sounds perfectly possible to me, it just requires a bit of
> 'nouse'.
> > >
> > > OK. Try. There are demo versions of some of the programs that
> > > pretend to do this. Take a soundfile of something more complex than
> > > a single instrument playing something simple, convert to midi and post
> > > your result.
> >
> > Or, take a soundfile of a single instrument playing something simple.
> > The drums? Perfect. What could be simpler than the drums?
> >
> > Rat-a-tat-tat. For those who aren't into music,
> > there isn't a piece of software in the world that can do it.
>
> How would you know?
>
> >
> > All of the people who have stated that it cannot be done are correct.
> > "It" , of course, refers to the whole shebang. The total enchilada.
> >
> > A couple of notes correct here and there does not constitute
> > a successful conversion.
> >
> > IT is simple. IT cannot be done. IT is that simple.
>
> It can be done, granted you couldn't do it.....but I could :O)
> >
> >
>
>
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- 02-18-2004, 10:37 PM #75TomGuest
Re: how to convert .wav .au or .aiff files into .mid ?
half_pint wrote:
> "Mario" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mario
>
> Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
>
> http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
It can only work on simple single instruments. Just about works on Paino with
many mistakes - saw an article a year ago about it. Difficult problem. It is a
bit like un-mixing 5 or 6 paints.
Tom
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