Mario

Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid ?

Thanks,

Mario

 

Mr. Slow

"Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
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> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mario

Not sure about .aiff or .au, but it is not possible to accurately convert a
..wav file to a .mid file. The other way round is of course a piece of cake!

Room102

No not really.

If the source is monophonic then something like Celemony's Melodyne would
work but I assume you want to put your favorite S-Club 7 track into a piece
of software and extract each instrument as a MIDI stream.

At present this is impossible.



"Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
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> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mario

half_pint

"Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
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> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mario

Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.

http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/

Laurence Payne

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:52:52 -0000, "Mr. Slow"
<millenniumgold@crouchvale.freeserve.invalid> wrote:

>Not sure about .aiff or .au, but it is not possible to accurately convert a
>.wav file to a .mid file. The other way round is of course a piece of cake!
>

They're all sound files. And sound > midi doesn't work, except with
ridiculously simple material.

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michael turner

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:29:08 +0000, half_pint wrote:

>
> "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
>> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mario
>
> Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,

Very differently. WAV, AIFF, etc. are sound sample files. MIDI is a
musical description file/protocol which does not carry samples. That's
done with the MIDI playing application/hardware.

> i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
>
> http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/

Yup that's a simple *single* instrument piano piece. Try it with something
more complex, especially if it's got vocals. See also Room102's 'S-Club 7'
comment in this thread.

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Email (ROT13)
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Mr C

Reading the FAQs on that makes it sound like the other two who replied were
talking sense. I've used another program called something like Wav2MIDI and
it was poo. Amazing MIDI (as offered in that link) is freeware though so
give it a go. I'm sceptical however... a better option might be to download
the MIDI file of the song you want to transcribe and use that in your
compositions. Try a search on google for 'MIDI library' or something.


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>
> "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mario
>
> Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
>
> http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
>
>

half_pint

"michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:29:08 +0000, half_pint wrote:
>
> >
> > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> >> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid
?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Mario
> >
> > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
>
> Very differently. WAV, AIFF, etc. are sound sample files. MIDI is a
> musical description file/protocol which does not carry samples. That's
> done with the MIDI playing application/hardware.
>
> > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
> >
> > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
>
> Yup that's a simple *single* instrument piano piece. Try it with something
> more complex, especially if it's got vocals. See also Room102's 'S-Club 7'
> comment in this thread.

I think you will find sound is sound, if you have sound stored in one format
it can be converted into another, how good the results are depends on how
good the conversion program is.
>
> --
> Michael Turner
> Email (ROT13)
> zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

half_pint

"Mr C" <total_incognito@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Reading the FAQs on that makes it sound like the other two who replied
were
> talking sense. I've used another program called something like Wav2MIDI
and
> it was poo. Amazing MIDI (as offered in that link) is freeware though so
> give it a go. I'm sceptical however... a better option might be to
download
> the MIDI file of the song you want to transcribe and use that in your
> compositions. Try a search on google for 'MIDI library' or something.

I would have thought if a MIDI file can create the sound then the sound
can be used to create a suitable MIDI file, the quality would depend on how
good
the converter was.

>
>
> "half_pint" <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c0tj2e$1aqii8$1@ID-204080.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
> > news:9ae829af.0402170528.3e79370d@posting.google.c om...
> > > Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into .mid
?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mario
> >
> > Yes I would have thought so, its just coded differently,
> > i'm not sure what the other two guys are on about.
> >
> > http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~araki/amazingmidi/
> >
> >
>
>

pjp

I've read the previous comments and can add I agree with the people who
stated it's not "really" possible to convert wav/mp3/etc. sound files to
midi. In practical terms, the only reason I can see for wanting to do this
is so that one can use the midi file to create sheet music, something you
can't get directly from a wav file.

I've gone down this road and it is possible to get a very dirty "hack"
converting a simple one melody and no accompanyment style song from wav to
midi. I can guarantee you, that even such a simple midi will not sound like
the original wav file and at best will require considerable manual editing.

Note that "midi" is not strickly a sound file in the sense of "recorded
information" like most sound files. What I mean by that is that. midi is not
a recording of actual music encoded in some fashion but instead midi
describes the "actions" neccessary to re-create the sounds, e.g. key down,
how "hard" key was pressed, how long it was held etc. etc. An important
distinction as notice it's the playback device (synthesizer, external
keyboard etc.) that uses this fundamental information to "play" the music
and not simply "decode" it.

Another way to look at it is to imagine the wav file is simply recording
where the speaker is "right now" (e.g. as it's pumping in and out creating
the sound). There's no information about what happened to make the speaker
move to that position. Midi's almost the opposite, think of it as a "script"
you'd send to a robot. It's about the physical mechanics, the sound produced
is incidental..

Now, given knowing how midi works, think about what would be involved in
converting any everyday style music to midi. Somehow, the software would
have to be able to tell how hard every drum was hit, how long every cymbal
"sang" (in both initial struck force and duration) how hard every bass note
was played and how long it lasted. Expand that to every sound created in the
music.

On the face of it, wav to midi seems a daunting task.


Mario wrote:
> Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into
> .mid ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mario

Laurence Payne

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:47:51 -0000, "half_pint"
<esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I would have thought if a MIDI file can create the sound then the sound
>can be used to create a suitable MIDI file, the quality would depend on how
>good
>the converter was.


I'm afraid you would have thought wrong :-)

I don't think you quite understand what a midi file is. Ever seen a
player-piano, with the punched paper roll controlling which notes to
play? Midi is like that, only more complex - it can control multiple
instruments and lots of sound parameters.

Now, take a sound recording, and design a machine that automatically
"hears" it and cuts the piano-roll.

It's been done, but only for very simple sounds.

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CJT

pjp wrote:

> I've read the previous comments and can add I agree with the people who
> stated it's not "really" possible to convert wav/mp3/etc. sound files to
> midi. In practical terms, the only reason I can see for wanting to do this
> is so that one can use the midi file to create sheet music, something you
> can't get directly from a wav file.
>
> I've gone down this road and it is possible to get a very dirty "hack"
> converting a simple one melody and no accompanyment style song from wav to
> midi. I can guarantee you, that even such a simple midi will not sound like
> the original wav file and at best will require considerable manual editing.
>
> Note that "midi" is not strickly a sound file in the sense of "recorded
> information" like most sound files. What I mean by that is that. midi is not
> a recording of actual music encoded in some fashion but instead midi
> describes the "actions" neccessary to re-create the sounds, e.g. key down,
> how "hard" key was pressed, how long it was held etc. etc. An important
> distinction as notice it's the playback device (synthesizer, external
> keyboard etc.) that uses this fundamental information to "play" the music
> and not simply "decode" it.
>
> Another way to look at it is to imagine the wav file is simply recording
> where the speaker is "right now" (e.g. as it's pumping in and out creating
> the sound). There's no information about what happened to make the speaker
> move to that position. Midi's almost the opposite, think of it as a "script"
> you'd send to a robot. It's about the physical mechanics, the sound produced
> is incidental..
>
> Now, given knowing how midi works, think about what would be involved in
> converting any everyday style music to midi. Somehow, the software would
> have to be able to tell how hard every drum was hit, how long every cymbal
> "sang" (in both initial struck force and duration) how hard every bass note
> was played and how long it lasted. Expand that to every sound created in the
> music.
>
> On the face of it, wav to midi seems a daunting task.
>

It's similar to using OCR to go from a bit graphics file to text.
You can convert from one kind of bit graphic to another (e.g. tif
to bmp) fairly easily, but it's a lot harder to pull out the text
that's portrayed.

>
> Mario wrote:
>
>>Is there any way to convert sound files in .aiff .au or .wav into
>>.mid ?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Mario
>
>
>


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Laurence Payne

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:02:41 -0400, "pjp"
<pjpoirier_is_located_@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I've read the previous comments and can add I agree with the people who
>stated it's not "really" possible to convert wav/mp3/etc. sound files to
>midi. In practical terms, the only reason I can see for wanting to do this
>is so that one can use the midi file to create sheet music, something you
>can't get directly from a wav file.

I suspect many queries are from people who want to create ring tones
for their mobile 'phone.

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Lil' Dave

First hit on google "wav to mid":
http://www.intelliscore.net/
Dave
"Mario" <mandm@flashnet.it> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Mario

half_pint

"Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:47:51 -0000, "half_pint"
> <esboella.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I would have thought if a MIDI file can create the sound then the sound
> >can be used to create a suitable MIDI file, the quality would depend on
how
> >good
> >the converter was.
>
>
> I'm afraid you would have thought wrong :-)
>
> I don't think you quite understand what a midi file is. Ever seen a
> player-piano, with the punched paper roll controlling which notes to
> play? Midi is like that, only more complex - it can control multiple
> instruments and lots of sound parameters.
>
> Now, take a sound recording, and design a machine that automatically
> "hears" it and cuts the piano-roll.
>
> It's been done, but only for very simple sounds.
>
Well it sounds perfectly possible to me, it just requires a bit of 'nouse'.


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