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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:51:10 GMT, "Richard Colton"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"smstextaddict.co.uk (smstextaddict co uk)"
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
><snip>
>> Basically there is nothing you can do she has told you that the phone
>> is blocked and was found in a back of her friends black cab with no
>> sim, what more do you want twat.
>
>I'm not trying to provoke an argument here, but I think you're missing the
>point. The honest thing to do would have been to hand the damn thing in -
>after all, it doesn't belong to either the taxi driver or the seller, so
>what the legalities of it are, and how plod would look at it, I think you
>can have a good guess.
>
>The attitude of the seller is bad enough, but then to have someone who has
>knowingly bought it - knowing it's history - ranting about it being stolen,
>just goes to show the mentality of both buyer and seller. At the end of the
>day, they're both in the wrong, and name calling one or the other isn't
>going to help matters.

I didn't buy it
>
>> Its twats like you that ruin ebay,
>
>No, it's twats like the seller who knowingly sell stolen goods that ruin
>EBay.

correct and that was my point and they took offence to my polite email
and proceeded to bid on two of my items with the sole intention of
posting negative feedback
>
>> do you know it costs money to place
>> an item up for bid? If i was you i would either pay and and re sell
>> the goods on ebay or offer the lady a settlement for wasting her time
>> so she can sell it to someone who wants it.
>
>And if it was me, I'd notify EBay of the sale (which they should have
>noticed in the first place), and possibly forward the details on to the
>Police (not that I think they'll bother to do anything about it - too busy
>checking windscreen washer fluid levels). But then again, some people are
>just plain dishonest.
eBay have been notified as their actions are clearly stated as being
against the rules as is changeing user ids and bidding again when
already blocked.

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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:39:58 -0000, "jon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>here is the story from the sellers end, ebay, the fone network and the
>police where notified of the fone and it wasnt claimed!
>
>snip """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>I was selling a blocked phone which was harmless enough as it had not been
>claimed, Andy sent me a nasty e-mail saying he had reported me to e-bay for
>selling a stolen phone. For which I replied asking him whether he did this
>for a living and did he have nothing better to do. It turns out he sent
>e-mails to 9 other e-bay users saying the same threatening message.

correct but it was far from nasty and several of the other people
apologised and closed their auctions. One of of the guys was clearly
stating that blocked phones can be unblocked very easily which we all
know to be totally wrong....
>
>He started to get petty and in the final minute outbid our auction and won
>it as Fred. When we asked for payment the e-mails were bounced back from
>Andy's e-mail address.

incorrect
>
>We started to investigate why he had so many logons and so many e-mail
>accounts and sent the full details to e-bay as it seemed a bit fishy!

I have a few email addresses and it is quite obvious that they are all
me and they have been accrued from using different isp's after
changing to better value services
>
>He continued to e-mail both of us for which we replied.

wrong as no one was getting anywherewso I left them too it
>
>We thought everything had stopped until on Wednesday we checked our e-bay
>account to find he had left negative feedback saying we had tried to sell
>him a stolen phone.
>
>E-bay have not got back to us yet with the findings of their investigation
>so I will e-mail them again with the updated information.
>end snip """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

I too am awaiting a reply from eBay
>
>with regards lost property the law is clear.......if it is not claimed, with
>proof of ownership, within 3 months it becomes the property of the finder
>(finders keepers and all that)
>
>"Richard Colton" wrote
>> No, it's twats like the seller who knowingly sell stolen goods that ruin
>> EBay.
>wasnt stolen read above.
>
>> And if it was me, I'd notify EBay of the sale (which they should have
>> noticed in the first place), and possibly forward the details on to the
>> Police (not that I think they'll bother to do anything about it - too busy
>> checking windscreen washer fluid levels). But then again, some people are
>> just plain dishonest.
>
>ebay and police informed and fone netwrok....read above
>
>> >>> Unlock Your Phones Potential <<<
>> >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
>> >>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<<
>
>ah i see.... and its people like you that actually make the trade in stolen
>phones possibl;e anyway?!?!?!?! i know its not ILLEGAL what you do, but it
>could be argued that it is immorral.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:04:10 GMT, [email protected]
(smstextaddict.co.uk ) (smstextaddict co uk) wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:51:10 GMT, "Richard Colton"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>And if it was me, I'd notify EBay of the sale (which they should have
>>noticed in the first place), and possibly forward the details on to the
>>Police (not that I think they'll bother to do anything about it - too busy
>>checking windscreen washer fluid levels). But then again, some people are
>>just plain dishonest.
>>
>>--
>>>>> Unlock Your Phones Potential <<<
>>>>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
>>>>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<<
>>
>>
>but not bening funny the description CLEARLY discribed the goods as
>being blocked and left in a taxi. ok they should have been handed in,
>but why did this andy haigh then go and bid for it?

basically to try and stop them from gaing from selling goods whcih
were not their property and to protect others. do you know how many
people there are out there that get blocked and locked confused
>
>Was it so he could push the price up ? or was it cos he didnt read the
>description, when he realised that no one was going to out bid him he
>paniced and started all this fuss up cos he didnt want to be left with
>a blocked phone?
>
>
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:12:31 -0000, "BitsAndBobs"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"smstextaddict.co.uk (smstextaddict co uk)"
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> It says (after it shows andy won the bid ) in black and white:
>>
>> Blocked Nokia 6310i mobile phone that was given to me by my friend who
>> is a black cab driver and found it in the back of his taxi. The phone
>> is in excellent condition and was originally on orange network. I have
>> no idea if the phone can be unblocked but believe the phone to be tri
>> band(not that I know what that means).As the phone is blocked it is
>> sold as seen with no returns. There is no reserve and I am sure this
>> will be a bargain for those in the know!There is no sim card.
>>
>
>He`s another Idiot who doesn`t read the listings properly..

I can read very well unlike a lot of people on here that just make
postings WITHOUT knowing all the facts and I can state 100% that no
one on here does as they have not seen the emails only a selected few
from the other party posted by someone else.
>
>> Its twats like you that ruin ebay, do you know it costs money to place
>> an item up for bid?
>
>Agreed...
>
>
wrong again

>
>
>dont worry about it too much smstext addict in my conversations to elaine
>(who it would appear is a respected and valued professional member of
>society, so i doubt she would be peddling stolen goods, especially as her
>job will earn her the value of the fone in a day!!! dont really want to risk
>that sort of employment for a quick dodgy deal now do you??!!
>
>she actually sold the fone to the next bidder at the price andy had won it
>at!! so andy actually did her a favour at that point by pushing up the final
>price lol
>
>the guy really is a stupid twat (andy) and is such a piss poor liar, knows
>nothing about covering his tracks and even registers domains that he then
>uses to piss poeple off with, in his own name and home address?!?!?!? with
>fone number which is 01226 ****** lol i wouldnt be that cruel !! although i
>expect andy would be.......just in case there is any comeback from this
>little adventure i do have all his details recorded of course....should i
>ever need to involve the boys in blue


did elaine tell you about the antics her husband jimmy got up to. i
doubt it so for the benefit of others here we go.....
he bid on a buy it now item of mine and four minutes later posted
negative feedback. thats quite clear he had no intention of purchasing
it AND doing this from another account after being blocked is also
against the rules. he has also stated in writing that he will continue
to change email accounts on ebay and continue making bids to leave
negative feedback.... now wouldn't you call this childish...two wrongs
don't make a right etc etc so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

why don't you all go away and pester someone else. I will let you all
know when ebay suspend their account no matter how respected and
valued professional member of society she is. according to eBay my
reputtaion is far better and if she is so professional why go to such
extremes as she did.

"Andy H" <[email protected] (but its really [email protected] or on ebay also
as [email protected] ) wrote

> did elaine tell you about the antics her husband jimmy got up to. i
> doubt it so for the benefit of others here we go.....
> he bid on a buy it now item of mine and four minutes later posted
> negative feedback. thats quite clear he had no intention of purchasing
> it

yes she did tell me, and she admitted it was a bit childish but we all do
childish things when someone else gets our backs up but then that item was
worth £1.50 not £62 like the auction you tried to balls up,,,,,,but actually
ended up making her more money ROFLMAO.

while we are talking about honesty and disclosure why did you tell me (and
everyone else here) you were not the high bidder when you clearly were the
high bidder. have a look at the email address link at
http://www.computers-r-us.freeserve.co.uk if anyone doesnt believe me

basically you are a silly little child, that panicked that he was going to
win an auction on an item he had no intention of paying for (dont give me
that bollox about protecting others from buying a stolen fone.....if you
were so sure it was stolen why DIDNT you report it to the police!!!!! why
havent you still reported it to the police!!!!!!)

you are a spoilt brat and a liar, on top of that you are a spiteful but not
very intelligent spammer.

and the reason i have taken elaines side and not yours, is because you have
consistently lied through your teeth whereas elaine appears to have told me
the truth and has even volunteered information to me that could be viewed as
eveidence against her.....not normally the behaviour of a guilty party

as i said, if you are so sure the phone was stolen or gained by some other
illegal means WHY DONT YOU INVOLVE THE POLICE?????????? because you know you
are a lying twat and it isnt stolen. not only that you have shown the whole
of use net what a twat you are, and once i copy all these posts and you
numerous emails to me onto the ebay message boards all the users there will
know what you are like too

and if you think im being spiteful by doing this, then you are wrong, as
another poster has highlighted....if i wanted to be spiteful i could just
use your name, home address and home telephone number to make sure you never
have a shortage of junk mail, double glazing and pizzas.....but dont worry
because im not a spiteful twat like you. all i am intersted in doing is
informing my net using peers of how you behave and to be wary of entering
into any transaction with you....as you like to burn people

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"jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<loads of rubbish snipped>
> "Richard Colton" wrote
> > No, it's twats like the seller who knowingly sell stolen goods that ruin
> > EBay.
> wasnt stolen read above.

Just because the seller kept the handset for three months does NOT make it
his/hers to sell, but this is getting even further OT.

> > And if it was me, I'd notify EBay of the sale (which they should have
> > noticed in the first place), and possibly forward the details on to the
> > Police (not that I think they'll bother to do anything about it - too
busy
> > checking windscreen washer fluid levels). But then again, some people
are
> > just plain dishonest.
>
> ebay and police informed and fone netwrok....read above

Already have thanks - though it would have been a good idea to actually
state that it had been reported in the auction listing, don't you think?

> > >>> Unlock Your Phones Potential <<<
> > >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
> > >>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<<
>
> ah i see.... and its people like you that actually make the trade in
stolen
> phones possibl;e anyway?!?!?!?!

You need to be very careful throwing around accusations like that! If
you're accusing me something, let's hear about it - but bear in mind the
libel laws of this country. Whilst you're at it, perhaps you'd like to
explain how myself or any other reputable unlocker/upgrader makes the trade
in stolen phones possible? We take active steps to ensure that any handsets
that pass through our hands are legit - do you?

>i know its not ILLEGAL what you do,

Then what's with your accusations above? Do make your mind up!

> but it
> could be argued that it is immorral.

Err... How? Any handset purchased on contract is actually seperate from
the contract and yours to do with as you wish. On PAYG you pay virtually
the same for the handset as for the generic SIM free variant, so unlocking
it doesn't lose the network any money whatsoever. As for upgrades, you have
the choice to take the handset to an official service centre (and I always
recommend this for phones under manufacturers warranty) or paying either
someone like ourselves to do the job (usually massively cheaper than through
official channels). So what exactly is your point here?

--
>>> Unlock Your Phones Potential <<<
>>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
>>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<<

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:50:01 +0000, Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:04:10 GMT, [email protected]
>(smstextaddict.co.uk ) (smstextaddict co uk) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:51:10 GMT, "Richard Colton"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And if it was me, I'd notify EBay of the sale (which they should have
>>>noticed in the first place), and possibly forward the details on to the
>>>Police (not that I think they'll bother to do anything about it - too busy
>>>checking windscreen washer fluid levels). But then again, some people are
>>>just plain dishonest.
>>>
>>>--
>>>>>> Unlock Your Phones Potential <<<
>>>>>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
>>>>>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<<
>>>
>>>
>>but not bening funny the description CLEARLY discribed the goods as
>>being blocked and left in a taxi. ok they should have been handed in,
>>but why did this andy haigh then go and bid for it?
>
>basically to try and stop them from gaing from selling goods whcih
>were not their property and to protect others. do you know how many
>people there are out there that get blocked and locked confused
#


Bull, you got it mixed up , realised this and refused to pay and then
decided to try and cause this woman all this ****.

If I was her I would sue you for libeland would then make sure
freeserve never allows you near another computer without adult
supervision.

Have you been to the doctors about your mental health? if you havent i
suggest you do. if you have i suggest you ask him to section you.
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:42:27 +0000, Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:


>>The attitude of the seller is bad enough, but then to have someone who has
>>knowingly bought it - knowing it's history - ranting about it being stolen,
>>just goes to show the mentality of both buyer and seller. At the end of the
>>day, they're both in the wrong, and name calling one or the other isn't
>>going to help matters.
>
>I didn't buy it
>>
no but you bidded for it, read the terms and conditions of use that
you agreed to when you signed up. nuff said!!!!!

Also if you claim its stolen, not legite, whatever, you too could be
held for aiding and abetting. think about ;-) that roundabout swings
both ways.
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:05:55 +0000, Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:

>he bid on a buy it now item of mine and four minutes later posted
>negative feedback. thats quite clear he had no intention of purchasing
>it AND doing this from another account after being blocked is also
>against the rules. he has also stated in writing that he will continue
>to change email accounts on ebay and continue making bids to leave
>negative feedback....

mawhahahaha serves you right, if you are refusing to buy the goods
you bid and won for then give her negative feedback then you deserve
everything you get.
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:39:23 +0000, Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>>
>>Its twats like you that ruin ebay, do you know it costs money to place
>>an item up for bid? If i was you i would either pay and and re sell
>>the goods on ebay or offer the lady a settlement for wasting her time
>>so she can sell it to someone who wants it.
>>-----
>>sms text addict? www.smstextaddict.co.uk
>>-----
>you still don't know the facts and the phone was sold to the next
>highest bidder.
>having a feedback rating of over 400 (700 if you include other auction
>sites) I know all about listing fees so don't preach to me.


Well perhaps you should study the toc's abit more, if she wants help
in suing you, i will put her incontact with a very good lawyer :-)
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"Richard Colton" wrote
> You need to be very careful throwing around accusations like that! If
> you're accusing me something, let's hear about it - but bear in mind the
> libel laws of this country. Whilst you're at it, perhaps you'd like to
> explain how myself or any other reputable unlocker/upgrader makes the
trade
> in stolen phones possible? We take active steps to ensure that any
handsets
> that pass through our hands are legit - do you?
>
> >i know its not ILLEGAL what you do,
>
> Then what's with your accusations above? Do make your mind up!
>
> > but it
> > could be argued that it is immorral.
>
> Err... How? Any handset purchased on contract is actually seperate from
> the contract and yours to do with as you wish. On PAYG you pay virtually
> the same for the handset as for the generic SIM free variant, so unlocking
> it doesn't lose the network any money whatsoever. As for upgrades, you
have
> the choice to take the handset to an official service centre (and I always
> recommend this for phones under manufacturers warranty) or paying either
> someone like ourselves to do the job (usually massively cheaper than
through
> official channels). So what exactly is your point here?
>
> --
if it wasnt for the fact that there was the ability for non-manufacturer
personell to reprog the imei/sim lock/ etc then a stolen and therefore
locked (blocked via imei) phone would be useless.

i didnt say YOU would or did this sort of thing, but there are plenty of
people making use of the same software / hardware as you that dont have the
same scruples.

as for libel, i have to actually have accused you or stated that you had
done something/ said something/ or were something that you are not for it to
be libelous.

i however only said that if it wasnt for people like you (ie that had the
equipment and abilty to unlock / unblock / change imei / etc) there wouldnt
be a trade in stolen phones....i didnt say you did this sort of thing

as for the morals of it...i dont give a damn about the networks and their
profits or whatever....i just think it is wrong for anyone to sell the
ability to remove a security measure, not of course saying that you would do
anything like this....im sure all you do is remove the network locking and
would never remove pin's or change imei numbers and the like

as for me making sure all my handsets are legit, id hope they are as all me
heandsets come new from major retailers each year on a new contract, if they
do have a dodgy history then that is due to the retailer not me, i dont and
never have bought a second hand fone...... i like things to be new and the
best i can get at the time (for free of course!!! i object to paying for
fones)

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"jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> if it wasnt for the fact that there was the ability for non-manufacturer
> personell to reprog the imei/sim lock/ etc then a stolen and therefore
> locked (blocked via imei) phone would be useless.

That much, I'll give you - to an extent (see below).

> i didnt say YOU would or did this sort of thing, but there are plenty of
> people making use of the same software / hardware as you that dont have
the
> same scruples.

Not the same software or hardware at all. None of the equipment we use is
capable of tampering with the IMEI of a handset.

> as for libel, i have to actually have accused you or stated that you had
> done something/ said something/ or were something that you are not for it
to
> be libelous.

Actually, the implication is enough, but I think you've made your point
clear that you used a poor choice of words in the first place.

> i however only said that if it wasnt for people like you (ie that had the
> equipment and abilty to unlock / unblock / change imei / etc)

Not like me matey, as I've already told you, different equipment for
starters, and more importantly, and different attitude.

> there wouldnt
> be a trade in stolen phones...

Err..... yes, there probably would whilst they still have the ability to
export them to coutries that do not blacklist.

>.i didnt say you did this sort of thing

Fairy snuff, but the implication appeared to be there - apology accepted
:-).

> as for the morals of it...i dont give a damn about the networks and their
> profits or whatever....i just think it is wrong for anyone to sell the
> ability to remove a security measure, not of course saying that you would
do
> anything like this....im sure all you do is remove the network locking and
> would never remove pin's or change imei numbers and the like

Absolutely not, but handset security codes are a different matter (that I'll
clarify if you really want me to).

> as for me making sure all my handsets are legit, id hope they are as all
me
> heandsets come new from major retailers each year on a new contract, if
they
> do have a dodgy history then that is due to the retailer not me, i dont
and
> never have bought a second hand fone

Don't be so sure. Several of the major retailers are known to resell
returned handsets. Also, if you're on Orange and ever receive a Care
replacement, that will probably be second hand.

>...... i like things to be new and the
> best i can get at the time (for free of course!!! i object to paying for
> fones)

Now that statement is just daft. Whichever way you look at it, you will end
up paying for the handset - whther it be upfront, or through network
subsidy, the end result is the same.

--
>>> Unlock Your Phones Potential <<<
>>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
>>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<<

>
>Bull, you got it mixed up , realised this and refused to pay and then
>decided to try and cause this woman all this ****.
>

you have got it all wrong i can assure you 100%

>If I was her I would sue you for libeland would then make sure
>freeserve never allows you near another computer without adult
>supervision.
>
>Have you been to the doctors about your mental health? if you havent i
>suggest you do. if you have i suggest you ask him to section you.
>-----
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:13:33 GMT, [email protected]
(smstextaddict.co.uk ) (smstextaddict co uk) wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:42:27 +0000, Andy H <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>The attitude of the seller is bad enough, but then to have someone who has
>>>knowingly bought it - knowing it's history - ranting about it being stolen,
>>>just goes to show the mentality of both buyer and seller. At the end of the
>>>day, they're both in the wrong, and name calling one or the other isn't
>>>going to help matters.
>>
>>I didn't buy it
>>>
>no but you bidded for it, read the terms and conditions of use that
>you agreed to when you signed up. nuff said!!!!!
>
>Also if you claim its stolen, not legite, whatever, you too could be
>held for aiding and abetting. think about ;-) that roundabout swings
>both ways.
>-----
>sms text addict? www.smstextaddict.co.uk

wrong again

just for your info the sellers husband went on a little crusade of
placing false bids on my items and then leaving negative feedback.
this was reported to ebay and today they have removed his comments so
it would seem they are on MY SIDE so may I respect***llky suggest you
go away and see the doctor oe at least stop posting your incorrect
comments and theorys. her husband also emailed me stating quite
clearly he would continue with this and change usernames as required -
I would call that harrasment woudn't you.....
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