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  1. #16
    Oxygen Software
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    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Hello, Lars-Erik!
    You wrote on Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:37:38 +0100:

    >> But there are some things we cannot overcome. While Nokia PC Suite
    >> during backup process reads all files using OBEX protocol
    >> (file-oriented), OPM2 works using internal Nokia protocol
    >> (byte-oriented). And depending on firmware versions this protocol may
    >> contain bugs. Unfortunately these bugs in latest formwares of 6230 and
    >> 6230i don't allow us to read Gallery files correctly.


    LE?> When are you going to fix this? (you are arn't you :-)

    LE?> It's not very good not beeing able to read all photos from the phone
    LE?> with IR (only the frst 12 or so). I guess you can't sleep well at
    LE?> night as long as Nokia PC Suite handles this 100% and you don't :-)

    As I said above, there are some things we cannot overcome. It's Nokia firmware
    bug, not ours, so we cannot "fix" it. This bug can be fixed only by new Nokia
    firmwares.

    >> information is much more important than the phone itself. So if you have
    >> for example MP3 file in phone, after reading information in OPM2, this
    >> file will be stored on your hard disk.


    LE?> Yes, but if I have a folder with my MP3 collection on the harddisk and
    LE?> then upload those to my phone, they are duplicated on the harddisk as
    LE?> well (both in the original place AND in the OPM2 data-directory).

    Exactly. Because OPM2 stores all your phone's data in its private directory.

    If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

    With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
    Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
    Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
    [email protected]
    http://www.oxygensoftware.com





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  2. #17
    Oxygen Software
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    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Hello, Lars-Erik!
    You wrote on Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:49:41 +0100:

    >> But there are some things we cannot overcome. While Nokia PC Suite
    >> during backup process reads all files using OBEX protocol
    >> (file-oriented), OPM2 works using internal Nokia protocol
    >> (byte-oriented). And depending on firmware


    LE?> BTW: Nokia PC Suite manages to read all files using IR in the browser
    LE?> as well. And copy the files you select in the browser. And the browser
    LE?> can't read in file mode? It reads the directory-structure first, right
    LE?> (like you do in the newest version)? Can't you duplicate them :-)

    Unfortunately no. We're using different protocols. Nokia uses OBEX which is
    very limited, but working in that case. We're using internal Nokia protocol,
    which is powerful, but 6230x firmware has bugs in its implementation. If we'll
    move to OBEX, we'll be only able to read files, so OPM2 will become file
    oriented browser, without Phonebook, Calendar, SMS and other features.

    If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

    With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
    Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
    Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
    [email protected]
    http://www.oxygensoftware.com





  3. #18
    Lars-Erik Østerud
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    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Oxygen Software:

    > As I said above, there are some things we cannot overcome. It's Nokia firmware
    > bug, not ours, so we cannot "fix" it. This bug can be fixed only by new Nokia
    > firmwares.


    How come then there are "work-a-rounds" AND Nokia's browser can handle
    it (in PC Suite). It can't do all communication by "file mode" since
    it can list the contents in a browser (like you do) first, and there
    it can show all files. If they can, why don't use the same way as them

    If you use another way ("byte mode") then maybe you should concider
    changing that (since Nokia use another communication protocol). I you
    use a way Nokia has stopped supporting there will be more trouble :-)

    > LE?> then upload those to my phone, they are duplicated on the harddisk as
    > LE?> well (both in the original place AND in the OPM2 data-directory).
    >
    > Exactly. Because OPM2 stores all your phone's data in its private directory.


    Yep, another example were the Nokia PC-suite way saves more space :-)
    --
    Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605



  4. #19
    Lars-Erik Østerud
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    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Oxygen Software:

    > Unfortunately no. We're using different protocols. Nokia uses OBEX which is
    > very limited, but working in that case. We're using internal Nokia protocol,
    > which is powerful, but 6230x firmware has bugs in its implementation. If we'll
    > move to OBEX, we'll be only able to read files, so OPM2 will become file
    > oriented browser, without Phonebook, Calendar, SMS and other features.


    How can Nokia PC-Suite then support Calender and the other stuff as
    well? Can't use use the OBEX protocol for files (the Gallery) and the
    byte-oriented protocol (as today) on the other parts of OPM 2?
    --
    Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605



  5. #20
    Oxygen Software
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    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Hello, Lars-Erik!
    You wrote on Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:41:38 +0100:

    >> As I said above, there are some things we cannot overcome. It's Nokia
    >> firmware bug, not ours, so we cannot "fix" it. This bug can be fixed
    >> only by new Nokia firmwares.


    LE?> How come then there are "work-a-rounds" AND Nokia's browser can handle
    LE?> it (in PC Suite). It can't do all communication by "file mode" since
    LE?> it can list the contents in a browser (like you do) first, and there
    LE?> it can show all files. If they can, why don't use the same way as them

    LE?> If you use another way ("byte mode") then maybe you should concider
    LE?> changing that (since Nokia use another communication protocol). I you
    LE?> use a way Nokia has stopped supporting there will be more trouble :-)

    1. Nokia's browser *does* all communication in file mode (OBEX). It allows
    reading list of files, reading files themselves and uploading new files. But it
    *does not* allow e.g. reading contacts from phonebook. Therefore we cannot move
    to OBEX.

    2. Reading files via IR bug is Nokia firmware bug, not ours. Of course it is not
    alone and we're always trying to overcome bugs like this, but in this case we
    cannot do anything until Nokia fixes its firmware.

    LE?>>> then upload those to my phone, they are duplicated on the harddisk
    LE?>>> as well (both in the original place AND in the OPM2 data-directory).
    >>
    >> Exactly. Because OPM2 stores all your phone's data in its private
    >> directory.


    LE?> Yep, another example were the Nokia PC-suite way saves more space :-)

    It's your choice: to lose all your phone content if you lost your phone or to
    be sure that your information is always close at hand and in safe place. We
    prefer the second choice because storing several extra megabytes is not a
    problems for current HDD capacities.
    Properly speaking what do you offer? Storing shortcuts to files that are
    already stored on your hard disk is not a good idea, because you can delete
    these files, move them to another folder and so on. And the most of customers
    will be dissatisfied if the program "lost" file's content for some strange
    reason.

    With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
    Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
    Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
    [email protected]
    http://www.oxygensoftware.com





  6. #21
    Oxygen Software
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    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Hello, Lars-Erik!
    You wrote on Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:43:00 +0100:

    >> Unfortunately no. We're using different protocols. Nokia uses OBEX
    >> which is very limited, but working in that case. We're using internal
    >> Nokia protocol, which is powerful, but 6230x firmware has bugs in its
    >> implementation. If we'll move to OBEX, we'll be only able to read files,
    >> so OPM2 will become file oriented browser, without Phonebook, Calendar,
    >> SMS and other features.


    LE?> How can Nokia PC-Suite then support Calender and the other stuff as
    LE?> well? Can't use use the OBEX protocol for files (the Gallery) and the
    LE?> byte-oriented protocol (as today) on the other parts of OPM 2?

    1. Nokia PC Suite does not support Calendar editing. It only supports
    synhronization. And it definitely does it via OBEX.

    2. No, we cannot use different protocols in different program parts.

    3. As I said before the bug with reading files via IR is Nokia firmware bug, not
    ours. And it can be fixed *by Nokia only*.

    4. There are too many limitations in OBEX to use it in Oxygen Phone Manager.
    Partially because of them Oxygen Phone Manager is more powerful than Nokia PC
    Suite and other mobile phone tools working via OBEX.

    If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

    With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
    Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
    Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
    [email protected]
    http://www.oxygensoftware.com





  7. #22
    Lars-Erik Østerud
    Guest

    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Oxygen Software:

    > LE?> If you use another way ("byte mode") then maybe you should concider
    > LE?> changing that (since Nokia use another communication protocol). I you
    > LE?> use a way Nokia has stopped supporting there will be more trouble :-)
    >
    > 1. Nokia's browser *does* all communication in file mode (OBEX). It allows
    > reading list of files, reading files themselves and uploading new files. But it
    > *does not* allow e.g. reading contacts from phonebook. Therefore we cannot move
    > to OBEX.


    I don't understand why you can't use a mix of the two modes. Nokia
    PC-Suite must do that as it allows syncing the phonebook and calendar.

    Is there a reason that you can't use OBEX for file transfers and
    stuff, and byte protocol for all the other stuff inside OPM2?

    > 2. Reading files via IR bug is Nokia firmware bug, not ours. Of course it is not
    > alone and we're always trying to overcome bugs like this, but in this case we
    > cannot do anything until Nokia fixes its firmware.


    If it is a Nokia bug, have you discussed it with Nokia? Why does it
    only affect IR, and why can you work around it (like by changing from
    "phone" to "disk" in OPM2 and then re-reading). Seems very strange.

    I know you have worked your way round other things that weren't
    possible anymore (like the profiles). I think you can find a way round
    this as well (and that's why I'm not giving you up quite yet :-)
    --
    Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605



  8. #23
    Lars-Erik Østerud
    Guest

    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Oxygen Software:

    > 2. No, we cannot use different protocols in different program parts.


    Why not? Isn't it possible to close and reopen connection?

    > 3. As I said before the bug with reading files via IR is Nokia firmware bug, not
    > ours. And it can be fixed *by Nokia only*.


    What are you (and others) doing to make Nokia fix this? If Nokia
    doesn't care about the byte-protocol anymore (beacuse they use OBEX),
    what might happend in newer phones (things might not work at all)?
    --
    Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605



  9. #24
    Oxygen Software
    Guest

    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Hello, Lars-Erik!
    You wrote on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:29:50 +0100:

    >> 1. Nokia's browser *does* all communication in file mode (OBEX). It
    >> allows reading list of files, reading files themselves and uploading new
    >> files. But it *does not* allow e.g. reading contacts from phonebook.
    >> Therefore we cannot move to OBEX.


    LE?> I don't understand why you can't use a mix of the two modes. Nokia
    LE?> PC-Suite must do that as it allows syncing the phonebook and calendar.

    It's also OBEX used for that.

    LE?> Is there a reason that you can't use OBEX for file transfers and
    LE?> stuff, and byte protocol for all the other stuff inside OPM2?

    Surely it is.

    >> 2. Reading files via IR bug is Nokia firmware bug, not ours. Of course
    >> it is not alone and we're always trying to overcome bugs like this, but
    >> in this case we cannot do anything until Nokia fixes its firmware.


    LE?> If it is a Nokia bug, have you discussed it with Nokia? Why does it
    LE?> only affect IR, and why can you work around it (like by changing from
    LE?> "phone" to "disk" in OPM2 and then re-reading). Seems very strange.

    Just like other bugs. It's impossible to discuss bugs like this with Nokia,
    because the protocol is undocumented and unsupported by Nokia. Haven't you
    notified that even firmware version history information is restricted by Nokia?

    LE?> I know you have worked your way round other things that weren't
    LE?> possible anymore (like the profiles). I think you can find a way round
    LE?> this as well (and that's why I'm not giving you up quite yet :-)

    Sorry, in this case we really cannot overcome Nokia's bug. Until Nokia fixes
    it we recommend you to use DKU-2 cable or Bluetooth. In addition these
    connection types are much faster than IR.

    If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

    With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
    Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
    Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
    [email protected]
    http://www.oxygensoftware.com





  10. #25
    Oxygen Software
    Guest

    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Hello, Lars-Erik!
    You wrote on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:31:33 +0100:

    >> 2. No, we cannot use different protocols in different program parts.


    LE?> Why not? Isn't it possible to close and reopen connection?

    There are a lot of restrictions. Theoretically it's possible, but practically,
    concerning the Oxygen Phone Manager, it is not.

    >> 3. As I said before the bug with reading files via IR is Nokia firmware
    >> bug, not ours. And it can be fixed *by Nokia only*.


    LE?> What are you (and others) doing to make Nokia fix this?

    Unfortunately we cannot make Nokia to fix this bug, because the protocol in
    undocumented and unsupported by Nokia. We only can point Nokia representatives
    to this bug (and we did it). And now we hope Nokia will fix this bug in new
    firmware.

    LE?> If Nokia doesn't care about the byte-protocol anymore (beacuse they use
    LE?> OBEX), what might happend in newer phones (things might not work at all)?

    We cannot be charged with Nokia, sorry.
    But actually we hope that Nokia will not refuse from byte-oriented protocol,
    because some applications of PC Suite like "Sending SMS" use it.

    If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

    With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
    Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
    Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
    [email protected]
    http://www.oxygensoftware.com





  11. #26
    Lars-Erik Østerud
    Guest

    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Oxygen Software:

    > it we recommend you to use DKU-2 cable or Bluetooth. In addition these
    > connection types are much faster than IR.


    And either more expensive (cable is NOK 600 in Norway) or use much
    power (BlueTooth). So the IR is so very nice to use. F**k Nokia.
    --
    Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605



  12. #27
    Lars-Erik Østerud
    Guest

    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Oxygen Software:

    > We cannot be charged with Nokia, sorry.


    But still, you will suffer from it (since people will blame it on OPM2
    until you explain to them), so it's in your interest to find out
    something clever (belive me, I have done this with the interface of
    several data-systems at work, so I know it can be hard to convince
    someone that their system is wrong - easier to find a work-a-round).
    --
    Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605



  13. #28
    Oxygen Software
    Guest

    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released

    Hello, Lars-Erik!
    You wrote on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:50:32 +0100:

    >> We cannot be charged with Nokia, sorry.


    LE?> But still, you will suffer from it (since people will blame it on OPM2
    LE?> until you explain to them), so it's in your interest to find out
    LE?> something clever (belive me, I have done this with the interface of
    LE?> several data-systems at work, so I know it can be hard to convince
    LE?> someone that their system is wrong - easier to find a work-a-round).

    You're absolutely right.

    If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

    With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
    Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
    Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
    [email protected]
    http://www.oxygensoftware.com





  14. #29
    Oxygen Software
    Guest

    Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released


    Hello!

    Thank you for your request!

    There is no extra-button at all. 'Read from phone' button in 'Gallery'
    section has special right context section with tiny 'Done' arrow. If you
    click on this section of 'Read from phone' button, you see the context menu
    with the following options:

    *Read information* - default option. Reads only gallery files information,
    but not their contents.
    Read all- reads both all gallery information and contents
    Read current file - reads only current file, you've highlighted in gallery
    list
    Read selected files - reads the files, you've selected using 'Ctrl' and/or
    'Shift' keys.

    If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
    Best regards, Maxim Vyalkov
    Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
    Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.


    > Oxygen Software:
    >
    > > We are glad to inform you that we just released 2.8.5 version of

    Oxygen Phone
    >
    > > - Gallery: Now it's possible to read only gallery structure without

    actual
    > > reading of file contents.

    >
    > How do you do this? Can't see any extra buttons (look exacly as 2.8.3)
    >
    > > - Gallery: Reading files now is more flexible: you can choose to

    read all
    > > the files or only selected ones.

    >
    > How do you do this? Can't see any extra buttons (look exacly as 2.8.3)
    > --
    > Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605






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