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- 11-14-2005, 04:30 AM #16Oxygen SoftwareGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Hello, Lars-Erik!
You wrote on Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:37:38 +0100:
>> But there are some things we cannot overcome. While Nokia PC Suite
>> during backup process reads all files using OBEX protocol
>> (file-oriented), OPM2 works using internal Nokia protocol
>> (byte-oriented). And depending on firmware versions this protocol may
>> contain bugs. Unfortunately these bugs in latest formwares of 6230 and
>> 6230i don't allow us to read Gallery files correctly.
LE?> When are you going to fix this? (you are arn't you :-)
LE?> It's not very good not beeing able to read all photos from the phone
LE?> with IR (only the frst 12 or so). I guess you can't sleep well at
LE?> night as long as Nokia PC Suite handles this 100% and you don't :-)
As I said above, there are some things we cannot overcome. It's Nokia firmware
bug, not ours, so we cannot "fix" it. This bug can be fixed only by new Nokia
firmwares.
>> information is much more important than the phone itself. So if you have
>> for example MP3 file in phone, after reading information in OPM2, this
>> file will be stored on your hard disk.
LE?> Yes, but if I have a folder with my MP3 collection on the harddisk and
LE?> then upload those to my phone, they are duplicated on the harddisk as
LE?> well (both in the original place AND in the OPM2 data-directory).
Exactly. Because OPM2 stores all your phone's data in its private directory.
If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
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- 11-14-2005, 04:34 AM #17Oxygen SoftwareGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Hello, Lars-Erik!
You wrote on Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:49:41 +0100:
>> But there are some things we cannot overcome. While Nokia PC Suite
>> during backup process reads all files using OBEX protocol
>> (file-oriented), OPM2 works using internal Nokia protocol
>> (byte-oriented). And depending on firmware
LE?> BTW: Nokia PC Suite manages to read all files using IR in the browser
LE?> as well. And copy the files you select in the browser. And the browser
LE?> can't read in file mode? It reads the directory-structure first, right
LE?> (like you do in the newest version)? Can't you duplicate them :-)
Unfortunately no. We're using different protocols. Nokia uses OBEX which is
very limited, but working in that case. We're using internal Nokia protocol,
which is powerful, but 6230x firmware has bugs in its implementation. If we'll
move to OBEX, we'll be only able to read files, so OPM2 will become file
oriented browser, without Phonebook, Calendar, SMS and other features.
If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
- 11-14-2005, 05:41 AM #18Lars-Erik ØsterudGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Oxygen Software:
> As I said above, there are some things we cannot overcome. It's Nokia firmware
> bug, not ours, so we cannot "fix" it. This bug can be fixed only by new Nokia
> firmwares.
How come then there are "work-a-rounds" AND Nokia's browser can handle
it (in PC Suite). It can't do all communication by "file mode" since
it can list the contents in a browser (like you do) first, and there
it can show all files. If they can, why don't use the same way as them
If you use another way ("byte mode") then maybe you should concider
changing that (since Nokia use another communication protocol). I you
use a way Nokia has stopped supporting there will be more trouble :-)
> LE?> then upload those to my phone, they are duplicated on the harddisk as
> LE?> well (both in the original place AND in the OPM2 data-directory).
>
> Exactly. Because OPM2 stores all your phone's data in its private directory.
Yep, another example were the Nokia PC-suite way saves more space :-)
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- 11-14-2005, 05:43 AM #19Lars-Erik ØsterudGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Oxygen Software:
> Unfortunately no. We're using different protocols. Nokia uses OBEX which is
> very limited, but working in that case. We're using internal Nokia protocol,
> which is powerful, but 6230x firmware has bugs in its implementation. If we'll
> move to OBEX, we'll be only able to read files, so OPM2 will become file
> oriented browser, without Phonebook, Calendar, SMS and other features.
How can Nokia PC-Suite then support Calender and the other stuff as
well? Can't use use the OBEX protocol for files (the Gallery) and the
byte-oriented protocol (as today) on the other parts of OPM 2?
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- 11-15-2005, 04:16 AM #20Oxygen SoftwareGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Hello, Lars-Erik!
You wrote on Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:41:38 +0100:
>> As I said above, there are some things we cannot overcome. It's Nokia
>> firmware bug, not ours, so we cannot "fix" it. This bug can be fixed
>> only by new Nokia firmwares.
LE?> How come then there are "work-a-rounds" AND Nokia's browser can handle
LE?> it (in PC Suite). It can't do all communication by "file mode" since
LE?> it can list the contents in a browser (like you do) first, and there
LE?> it can show all files. If they can, why don't use the same way as them
LE?> If you use another way ("byte mode") then maybe you should concider
LE?> changing that (since Nokia use another communication protocol). I you
LE?> use a way Nokia has stopped supporting there will be more trouble :-)
1. Nokia's browser *does* all communication in file mode (OBEX). It allows
reading list of files, reading files themselves and uploading new files. But it
*does not* allow e.g. reading contacts from phonebook. Therefore we cannot move
to OBEX.
2. Reading files via IR bug is Nokia firmware bug, not ours. Of course it is not
alone and we're always trying to overcome bugs like this, but in this case we
cannot do anything until Nokia fixes its firmware.
LE?>>> then upload those to my phone, they are duplicated on the harddisk
LE?>>> as well (both in the original place AND in the OPM2 data-directory).
>>
>> Exactly. Because OPM2 stores all your phone's data in its private
>> directory.
LE?> Yep, another example were the Nokia PC-suite way saves more space :-)
It's your choice: to lose all your phone content if you lost your phone or to
be sure that your information is always close at hand and in safe place. We
prefer the second choice because storing several extra megabytes is not a
problems for current HDD capacities.
Properly speaking what do you offer? Storing shortcuts to files that are
already stored on your hard disk is not a good idea, because you can delete
these files, move them to another folder and so on. And the most of customers
will be dissatisfied if the program "lost" file's content for some strange
reason.
With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
- 11-15-2005, 04:27 AM #21Oxygen SoftwareGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Hello, Lars-Erik!
You wrote on Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:43:00 +0100:
>> Unfortunately no. We're using different protocols. Nokia uses OBEX
>> which is very limited, but working in that case. We're using internal
>> Nokia protocol, which is powerful, but 6230x firmware has bugs in its
>> implementation. If we'll move to OBEX, we'll be only able to read files,
>> so OPM2 will become file oriented browser, without Phonebook, Calendar,
>> SMS and other features.
LE?> How can Nokia PC-Suite then support Calender and the other stuff as
LE?> well? Can't use use the OBEX protocol for files (the Gallery) and the
LE?> byte-oriented protocol (as today) on the other parts of OPM 2?
1. Nokia PC Suite does not support Calendar editing. It only supports
synhronization. And it definitely does it via OBEX.
2. No, we cannot use different protocols in different program parts.
3. As I said before the bug with reading files via IR is Nokia firmware bug, not
ours. And it can be fixed *by Nokia only*.
4. There are too many limitations in OBEX to use it in Oxygen Phone Manager.
Partially because of them Oxygen Phone Manager is more powerful than Nokia PC
Suite and other mobile phone tools working via OBEX.
If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
- 11-15-2005, 05:29 AM #22Lars-Erik ØsterudGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Oxygen Software:
> LE?> If you use another way ("byte mode") then maybe you should concider
> LE?> changing that (since Nokia use another communication protocol). I you
> LE?> use a way Nokia has stopped supporting there will be more trouble :-)
>
> 1. Nokia's browser *does* all communication in file mode (OBEX). It allows
> reading list of files, reading files themselves and uploading new files. But it
> *does not* allow e.g. reading contacts from phonebook. Therefore we cannot move
> to OBEX.
I don't understand why you can't use a mix of the two modes. Nokia
PC-Suite must do that as it allows syncing the phonebook and calendar.
Is there a reason that you can't use OBEX for file transfers and
stuff, and byte protocol for all the other stuff inside OPM2?
> 2. Reading files via IR bug is Nokia firmware bug, not ours. Of course it is not
> alone and we're always trying to overcome bugs like this, but in this case we
> cannot do anything until Nokia fixes its firmware.
If it is a Nokia bug, have you discussed it with Nokia? Why does it
only affect IR, and why can you work around it (like by changing from
"phone" to "disk" in OPM2 and then re-reading). Seems very strange.
I know you have worked your way round other things that weren't
possible anymore (like the profiles). I think you can find a way round
this as well (and that's why I'm not giving you up quite yet :-)
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- 11-15-2005, 05:31 AM #23Lars-Erik ØsterudGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Oxygen Software:
> 2. No, we cannot use different protocols in different program parts.
Why not? Isn't it possible to close and reopen connection?
> 3. As I said before the bug with reading files via IR is Nokia firmware bug, not
> ours. And it can be fixed *by Nokia only*.
What are you (and others) doing to make Nokia fix this? If Nokia
doesn't care about the byte-protocol anymore (beacuse they use OBEX),
what might happend in newer phones (things might not work at all)?
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- 11-15-2005, 07:13 AM #24Oxygen SoftwareGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Hello, Lars-Erik!
You wrote on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:29:50 +0100:
>> 1. Nokia's browser *does* all communication in file mode (OBEX). It
>> allows reading list of files, reading files themselves and uploading new
>> files. But it *does not* allow e.g. reading contacts from phonebook.
>> Therefore we cannot move to OBEX.
LE?> I don't understand why you can't use a mix of the two modes. Nokia
LE?> PC-Suite must do that as it allows syncing the phonebook and calendar.
It's also OBEX used for that.
LE?> Is there a reason that you can't use OBEX for file transfers and
LE?> stuff, and byte protocol for all the other stuff inside OPM2?
Surely it is.
>> 2. Reading files via IR bug is Nokia firmware bug, not ours. Of course
>> it is not alone and we're always trying to overcome bugs like this, but
>> in this case we cannot do anything until Nokia fixes its firmware.
LE?> If it is a Nokia bug, have you discussed it with Nokia? Why does it
LE?> only affect IR, and why can you work around it (like by changing from
LE?> "phone" to "disk" in OPM2 and then re-reading). Seems very strange.
Just like other bugs. It's impossible to discuss bugs like this with Nokia,
because the protocol is undocumented and unsupported by Nokia. Haven't you
notified that even firmware version history information is restricted by Nokia?
LE?> I know you have worked your way round other things that weren't
LE?> possible anymore (like the profiles). I think you can find a way round
LE?> this as well (and that's why I'm not giving you up quite yet :-)
Sorry, in this case we really cannot overcome Nokia's bug. Until Nokia fixes
it we recommend you to use DKU-2 cable or Bluetooth. In addition these
connection types are much faster than IR.
If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
- 11-15-2005, 07:24 AM #25Oxygen SoftwareGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Hello, Lars-Erik!
You wrote on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:31:33 +0100:
>> 2. No, we cannot use different protocols in different program parts.
LE?> Why not? Isn't it possible to close and reopen connection?
There are a lot of restrictions. Theoretically it's possible, but practically,
concerning the Oxygen Phone Manager, it is not.
>> 3. As I said before the bug with reading files via IR is Nokia firmware
>> bug, not ours. And it can be fixed *by Nokia only*.
LE?> What are you (and others) doing to make Nokia fix this?
Unfortunately we cannot make Nokia to fix this bug, because the protocol in
undocumented and unsupported by Nokia. We only can point Nokia representatives
to this bug (and we did it). And now we hope Nokia will fix this bug in new
firmware.
LE?> If Nokia doesn't care about the byte-protocol anymore (beacuse they use
LE?> OBEX), what might happend in newer phones (things might not work at all)?
We cannot be charged with Nokia, sorry.
But actually we hope that Nokia will not refuse from byte-oriented protocol,
because some applications of PC Suite like "Sending SMS" use it.
If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
- 11-15-2005, 04:48 PM #26Lars-Erik ØsterudGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Oxygen Software:
> it we recommend you to use DKU-2 cable or Bluetooth. In addition these
> connection types are much faster than IR.
And either more expensive (cable is NOK 600 in Norway) or use much
power (BlueTooth). So the IR is so very nice to use. F**k Nokia.
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- 11-15-2005, 04:50 PM #27Lars-Erik ØsterudGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Oxygen Software:
> We cannot be charged with Nokia, sorry.
But still, you will suffer from it (since people will blame it on OPM2
until you explain to them), so it's in your interest to find out
something clever (belive me, I have done this with the interface of
several data-systems at work, so I know it can be hard to convince
someone that their system is wrong - easier to find a work-a-round).
--
Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
- 11-16-2005, 04:16 AM #28Oxygen SoftwareGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Hello, Lars-Erik!
You wrote on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:50:32 +0100:
>> We cannot be charged with Nokia, sorry.
LE?> But still, you will suffer from it (since people will blame it on OPM2
LE?> until you explain to them), so it's in your interest to find out
LE?> something clever (belive me, I have done this with the interface of
LE?> several data-systems at work, so I know it can be hard to convince
LE?> someone that their system is wrong - easier to find a work-a-round).
You're absolutely right.
If you will have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
With best regards, Oleg Fedorov.
Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
[email protected]
http://www.oxygensoftware.com
- 11-24-2005, 05:12 AM #29Oxygen SoftwareGuest
Re: Oxygen Phone Manager II v2.8.5 is just released
Hello!
Thank you for your request!
There is no extra-button at all. 'Read from phone' button in 'Gallery'
section has special right context section with tiny 'Done' arrow. If you
click on this section of 'Read from phone' button, you see the context menu
with the following options:
*Read information* - default option. Reads only gallery files information,
but not their contents.
Read all- reads both all gallery information and contents
Read current file - reads only current file, you've highlighted in gallery
list
Read selected files - reads the files, you've selected using 'Ctrl' and/or
'Shift' keys.
If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards, Maxim Vyalkov
Oxygen Software - tools for your mobile phone.
Oxygen Phone Manager II - all you want from your mobile phone.
> Oxygen Software:
>
> > We are glad to inform you that we just released 2.8.5 version of
Oxygen Phone
>
> > - Gallery: Now it's possible to read only gallery structure without
actual
> > reading of file contents.
>
> How do you do this? Can't see any extra buttons (look exacly as 2.8.3)
>
> > - Gallery: Reading files now is more flexible: you can choose to
read all
> > the files or only selected ones.
>
> How do you do this? Can't see any extra buttons (look exacly as 2.8.3)
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
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