Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

"none" wrote:
>
> but the owner of the open access point wasn't charged, that's where you
> seem to be confused.

"See, I told you that car theft was perfectly legal; the owner of the stolen
car wasn't charged!!!"


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Mike

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In article <[email protected]>,
Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article
><[email protected]>,
> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> iPhone activation requires an Internet connection; an iTunes Store
>> account or a major credit card; a valid Social Security number (as
>> required by AT&T);
>
>WTF? What the bloody hell does AT&T think they need your SSN for? Or
>anyone else, for that matter? Your SSN is not a national ID card.

They need to give it to the NSA so they can link it to all your
conversations.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>none <[email protected]> wrote in news:a-71229C.01035327062007@mpls-nnrp-
>02.inet.qwest.net:
>
>> it's perfectly "legal" to use an open access point, no law or no lawsuit
>> has ever been won concerning this. it's all about sharing the pipes...
>> they are constantly running about about 20% of capacity, so another few
>> percent isn't hurting anybody.
>>
>>
>
>MIT, not exactly a hotbed of illegal activity, has a special course for
>their students on wardriving and connecting to open systems, now.

Given the various statutes related to unauthorized computer use passed
in the past few decades, I suspect MIT is in fact a hotbed of illegal
activity nowadays.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>none <[email protected]> wrote in news:a-71229C.01035327062007@mpls-nnrp-
>>02.inet.qwest.net:
>>
>>
>>>it's perfectly "legal" to use an open access point, no law or no lawsuit
>>>has ever been won concerning this. it's all about sharing the pipes...
>>>they are constantly running about about 20% of capacity, so another few
>>>percent isn't hurting anybody.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>MIT, not exactly a hotbed of illegal activity, has a special course for
>>their students on wardriving and connecting to open systems, now.
>
>
> Given the various statutes related to unauthorized computer use passed
> in the past few decades, I suspect MIT is in fact a hotbed of illegal
> activity nowadays.


Not that it wasn't during the "Blue Box" era, either...

In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:


> Not that it wasn't during the "Blue Box" era, either...

Phreakers Central back in the day.

Is there a SIM card? I see no reference to one.....


"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leave it to Apple to finally make ACTIVATING a cell phone simple.

"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > no they weren't
> > Google is your freind.
> >> Cracks on the case. (Heat caused)

but the root is too tight of tolerance. learn about plastics sometime.
heat expansion wasn't correctly factored, but it's not the PROBLEM.

> > no, it wasn't heat related, it was to tight of tolerance.
> > And what about the gaps that appered on other's ? You can't have it both
> > ways. So which is it ? Tight or heat caused cracks ?
>
> The local mac place said heat and battery swell were the cause.

but was it an apple store, nope!

> >> Random shutdowns.
>
> > apple fixed that long ago.
> > Not when I had mine. Yes they fixed it. After 3 trys.

and that was a tough issue to fix, give apple a break on that one. they
fixed everyone single one that had issue for free.

> What about my fan not being able to keep everything cool ? Oh, apple just
> speeds up the fan rpm and sooner then normal. There goes 10% of your
> battery.

evidence? the fan takes up little energy, maybe 2%, but not 10% of the
battery.

> >> Wi-Fi quit working. 2 times for this problem.
> >
> > doubtful.
> > Read the fixes on the apple site.
> >> Bluetooth went south.
> >
> > doubtful
> >
> Your a funny guy. If something goes wrong it's doubtful ?

no, i just have about 40 clients with these machines, and you are the
only one that has had ALL 4 of the issues and (then some made up ones)
>
> >> Total of 7 things went bad with it.
> >
> > yes, and only 2 actually happened.

okay, thanks for being honest.

> >> Apple wanted to replace it only after I said court time.
> >
> > incorrect. if they tried to fix it 3 times and failed, you get a new
> > machine.
>
> Wrong. Only if it's the same part "Under the lemon law"

oh my god, you are COMPLETELY wrong on this, it's 3 ISSUE of ANY TYPE
that Apple has taken in the machine and hasn't been able to resolve, you
get a new machine, that's a POLICY. It has NOTHING to do with the same
PART having 3 issues?

Did you even deal with Apple on this? or did you use your local Windows
Repair Shop?

> >> Went to court as they would not refund me in full.
> >> They never showed.
> >>
> >> Case won.
> >
> > total liar.
> >
> > Is that why apple had class action cases pending for the POS ?

Apple would have responded to your complain and you would have lost.
There are no valid class action suits on this subject at this time since
Apple has resolved all customer issues for FREE.

> No need. I got the refund and I'm done.

yes, or a Refund from Apple... that can happen as well, but I don't
remember you saying that before. You said court, and that's a total lie.

> Spend some time and Google battery, main board, heat, case cracks, white
> plastic turning brown and class action it all =apple...
>
> When it ran before total shutdown due to heat problems it was a nice
> machine. But leave to do something and come back and it had shutdown.
>
> I expected this from the apple people.

You'll learn.

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"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> you ever get tired of being wrong?
> >> http://www.pcworld.com/printable/art...printable.html
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4721723.stm
>
> A few isolated cases where the defendant had ineffective legal representation.

correct John, thanks for saving people from Ed's ignorance.

In article <[email protected]>,
none <[email protected]> wrote:

> "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> you ever get tired of being wrong?
> > >> http://www.pcworld.com/printable/art...printable.html
> > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4721723.stm
> >
> > A few isolated cases where the defendant had ineffective legal
> > representation.
>
> correct John, thanks for saving people from Ed's ignorance.

But, as of now. they still stand as precedent. And they might
actually stay that way.

Bill Gates <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>> What's going to happen with the limits imposed by AT&T once apple
>> starts the software, hardware updates, patches, etc ? That alone is
>> going to put people over there limits.
>
> what? all the plans are unlimited bandwidth for the internet / email
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html
>

http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp
Better read the fine print. The bandwidth is NOT unlimited and must ONLY
be used for WEBPAGES - EMAIL - Company intranet (which means nothing to
individual users). SPECIFICALLY FORBIDDEN are:

"Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Data Service sessions may be conducted
only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and
(iii) corporate intranet access (including access to corporate email,
customer relationship management, sales force automation, and field
service automation applications). PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT
LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER
APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR
BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS,
TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED
FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS
SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS;
(III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; (IV) IN CONJUNCTION WITH WWAN OR OTHER
APPLICATIONS OR DEVICES WHICH AGGREGATE USAGE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES PRIOR
TO TRANSMISSION; (V) USING THE SERVICES FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT ADVERSELY
AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SYSTEMS TO USE EITHER THE SERVICES
OR OTHER PARTIES' INTERNET-BASED RESOURCES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO
EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF NETWORK OR SYSTEM RESOURCES (WHETHER INTENTIONAL
OR UNINTENTIONAL) AND "DENIAL OF SERVICE" (DOS) ATTACKS AGAINST ANOTHER
NETWORK HOST OR INDIVIDUAL USER; OR (VI) INTERFERENCE WITH OR DISRUPTION
OF OTHER NETWORK USERS, NETWORK SERVICES OR NETWORK EQUIPMENT. EXCEPT FOR
CONTENT FORMATTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH AT&T'S CONTENT STANDARDS, UNLIMITED
PLANS CANNOT BE USED FOR UPLOADING, DOWNLOADING OR STREAMING OF VIDEO
CONTENT (E.G. MOVIES, TV), MUSIC OR GAMES. FURTHERMORE, UNLIMITED PLANS
(EXCEPT FOR DATACONNECT AND BLACKBERRY TETHERED) CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY
APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING WITHOUT
LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER ACCESSORIES,
BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS, PCS, OR OTHER
EQUIPMENT FOR ANY PURPOSE. Service is not intended to provide full-time
connections, and the Service may be discontinued after a significant
period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage. AT&T reserves
the right to (i) limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny
Service and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes
is using the Service in any manner prohibited above or whose usage
adversely impacts its network or service levels or hinders access to its
network and (ii) protect its network from harm, which may impact
legitimate data flows. You may not send solicitations to AT&T subscribers
without their consent. You may not use the Services other than as
intended by AT&T and applicable law. Plans are for individual, non-
commercial use only and are not for resale."

No downloading, no FTP servers for hours, no Usenet downloads, no VoIP of
any kind, no file sharing, no tethering, no video feeding, NO STREAMING,
no, no, HELL NO!

Good thing it's got wifi! On ATT it's damned near USELESS!

Larry
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NO SKYPE EITHER!....(geez)...(c;

"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in news:%KIgi.35841
[email protected]:

> Wrong. Only if it's the same part "Under the lemon law"
>

Just for reference:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../warranty.shtm
Great booklet every consumer needs to carefully read.....
You don't HAVE to take it in the shorts every time you buy something...
It's why WalMart cheerfully refunds your money, not because they are your
friends, but because it is Federal Law.


Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

"Edgar" <[email protected]> wrote in
news[email protected]:

> Is there a SIM card? I see no reference to one.....
>
>
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Leave it to Apple to finally make ACTIVATING a cell phone simple.
>
>
>

Yes. I comes with a SIM all setup and ready for Apple's spyware to
activate.

Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

I got the total refund on that big POS!
I tried to get apple to fix it. My local apple store were jerks.
But when apple tells me in short, It's my problem. I went to small clams.

Chicken ****s did not show up. After the judge looked at all the repair
forms and things like I printed out, He awarded the case to me. I took it
back to my local apple store and within about 20 mins I got the credit on my
credit card.

Never again will I own a apple product.

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in news:%KIgi.35841
> [email protected]:
>
>> Wrong. Only if it's the same part "Under the lemon law"
>>
>
> Just for reference:
> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../warranty.shtm
> Great booklet every consumer needs to carefully read.....
> You don't HAVE to take it in the shorts every time you buy something...
> It's why WalMart cheerfully refunds your money, not because they are your
> friends, but because it is Federal Law.
>
>
> Larry
> --
> http://www.spp.gov/
> The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP
>

"Bill Gates" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > no they weren't
>> > Google is your freind.
>> >> Cracks on the case. (Heat caused)
>
> but the root is too tight of tolerance. learn about plastics sometime.
> heat expansion wasn't correctly factored, but it's not the PROBLEM.

So it's my problem ? Anyway you look at it, It's apple problem to fix it.
I never knew I would need to learn about plastics to own a mac. Silly me.

>> > no, it wasn't heat related, it was to tight of tolerance.
>> > And what about the gaps that appered on other's ? You can't have it
>> > both
>> > ways. So which is it ? Tight or heat caused cracks ?
>>
>> The local mac place said heat and battery swell were the cause.
>
> but was it an apple store, nope!
Apple Which fixed it said it was due to battery swell.
You figure it out.

>> >> Random shutdowns.
>>
>> > apple fixed that long ago.
>> > Not when I had mine. Yes they fixed it. After 3 trys.
>
> and that was a tough issue to fix, give apple a break on that one. they
> fixed everyone single one that had issue for free.

Give em a break on that one ? Are you kidding ? So they fix it by a fan
speed fix. Nice. What happens down the line when this poor fan is wore out
from being turned up to cool down the chip ? Repair time. They wanted to
keep this so bad they even offered me a half price apple care plan. Which I
refused.

>> What about my fan not being able to keep everything cool ? Oh, apple just
>> speeds up the fan rpm and sooner then normal. There goes 10% of your
>> battery.
>
> evidence? the fan takes up little energy, maybe 2%, but not 10% of the
> battery.
>
Again, Google it. People reported a 10% loss in battery life due to the fan
being turned on at startup and the lowering of the temp setting to come on
sooner then normal to keep this oven cool.

Place it on your lap and see how long it stays there before the heat frys
your legs. I should have thought something was up when the display was
sitting on a targus usb fan cooler.
>> >> Wi-Fi quit working. 2 times for this problem.
>> >
>> > doubtful.
>> > Read the fixes on the apple site.

If it's doubtful, then why point to the "Fixes on the apple site" ?
Fix=problems.

>> >> Bluetooth went south.
>> >
>> > doubtful
>> >
>> Your a funny guy. If something goes wrong it's doubtful ?
>
> no, i just have about 40 clients with these machines, and you are the
> only one that has had ALL 4 of the issues and (then some made up ones)

I must have just been lucky huh.

>> >> Total of 7 things went bad with it.
>> >

>> > yes, and only 2 actually happened.
>
> okay, thanks for being honest.
>
>> >> Apple wanted to replace it only after I said court time.
>> >
>> > incorrect. if they tried to fix it 3 times and failed, you get a new
>> > machine.

Again, you know all about this case huh. I'm done with this big POS Apple
product.
>> Wrong. Only if it's the same part "Under the lemon law"
>
> oh my god, you are COMPLETELY wrong on this, it's 3 ISSUE of ANY TYPE
> that Apple has taken in the machine and hasn't been able to resolve, you
> get a new machine, that's a POLICY. It has NOTHING to do with the same
> PART having 3 issues?

The letter I got with the laptop said it was a new problem everytime.
It was never the same problem as before. But I had them when the shutdowns
kept on. The final straw was the MB Replacement.

> Did you even deal with Apple on this? or did you use your local Windows

My local apple store. Which is a apple service center.

And I also forgot to tell about the DVD Drive that ate the factory disc's.
Large rings around the media. Two sets of those in less then a month.

Caused by a bad dvd drive. Google has much info on this as well.

> Repair Shop?
>
>> >> Went to court as they would not refund me in full.
>> >> They never showed.
>> >>
>> >> Case won.
>> >
>> > total liar.
>> >
>> > Is that why apple had class action cases pending for the POS ?
>
> Apple would have responded to your complain and you would have lost.
> There are no valid class action suits on this subject at this time since
> Apple has resolved all customer issues for FREE.

Only after they said no at first and people started the class action. Once
apple saw that they had no choice they fixed the problems.

Were they fixed ? Don't know or care. I got a refund and that's that.

>> No need. I got the refund and I'm done.
>
> yes, or a Refund from Apple... that can happen as well, but I don't
> remember you saying that before. You said court, and that's a total lie.

Apple refused to help me. It's only when The local apple store sent it in
and came back with the same problem is when I filled out the paper work.

It was sent in for the shutdowns, Upon opening it up in the store, less then
30 mins later it had done it again. That was when I had enough.
The repair said mainboard replacement.

>> Spend some time and Google battery, main board, heat, case cracks, white
>> plastic turning brown and class action it all =apple...
>>
>> When it ran before total shutdown due to heat problems it was a nice
>> machine. But leave to do something and come back and it had shutdown.
>>
>> I expected this from the apple people.
>
> You'll learn.
>
You are correct. I did learn something. Apple = Crap! : )

"Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:kurtullman-6EDAAF.18291528062007@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> none <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > >> you ever get tired of being wrong?
>> > >> http://www.pcworld.com/printable/art...printable.html
>> > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4721723.stm
>> >
>> > A few isolated cases where the defendant had ineffective legal
>> > representation.
>>
>> correct John, thanks for saving people from Ed's ignorance.
>
> But, as of now. they still stand as precedent. And they might
> actually stay that way.

The thing is, we don't hear about the thousands of cases where charges were
either not filed, or were quietly dropped prior to the court appearance.
So you get a distorted sense of reality by relying on just two court cases.
If one of these cases is ever appealed, a higher court may well rule that no law
was broken, and that use of unsecured Wi-Fi signals is similar to standing on a
sidewalk and enjoying the shade from a shade tree that stands on someone else's
property.
--
John Richards