Jobs SLAMS 3G - Wipes out its future!

Looks like the slow 3G network died a terrible death today. Jobs said
it's a "power hog", so basically that's the end of the 3G approach for
all cellphone companies worldwide going forward.

Just like I thought, WiFi is going to rule the airwaves, not 3G.

That is...

Unless 3.5G / 4G, gets MUCH better about power consumption or Jobs will
simply put them ALL out of business. Take your pick!

Cell companies are very inefficient, they've never had the competitive
envirnoment that the computer industry has known, so Jobs and Co will
steamroll them unless they get their act together soon.

Companies that don't hold iPhone contracts are basically dead in the
water at this point, especially now that 3G has been rendered obsolete.
Cellphone companies are going to have to scramble to catch up with what
Apple is delivering today. Everything is going EVDO or WiFi, so it was
good that the US never got stuck with old fashioned 3G like Europe did.

The iPhone gets around 6 hours of talk time, 10-40 hours of normal use.
200 hours of standby. 3G would cut that in half. No thanks!

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Apple chief executive Steve Jobs slammed 3G phones for having limited
battery life as he launched the iPhone in the UK through an exclusive
deal with network operator O2.

O2 is thought to have signed an unprecedented agreement passing around
10pc of all revenues from the iPhone to Apple, whose tough commercial
terms some other mobile networks baulked at.

One of those was Vodafone, whose chief executive Arun Sarin has pointed
out that the first version of the iPhone will not run on 3G mobile
networks, thus offering only the slower web browsing speeds of 2.5G
unless customers are in a wi-fi hotspot.

Mr Jobs, however, said Apple had decided against incorporating 3G for
now because it drained battery life. "The 3G chipsets work well apart
from power. They're real power hogs. Most phones now have battery lives
of two to three hours," he added.

"Our phone has eight hours of talktime life. That's really important
when you start to use the internet and want to use the phone to listen
to music. We've got to see the battery lives for 3G get back up into the
five-plus hour range. Hopefully we'll see that late next year."

Ben Wood, director of research at CCS Insight said: ''Jobs knows people
are going to buy iPhone whether it's got 3G or not, it's a lifestyle
device and a fashion item.

"If you put 3G into it, it could cost $20 to $40 extra for Apple to make
each one just to placate network operators who have invested billions in
networks. Doing it this way also allows Jobs to stand up in a year's
time and say 'now the time is right for the 3G iPhone'."

Apple is expected to award a German iPhone distribution deal to Deutsche
Telekom's T-Mobile and a French deal to France Telecom's Orange later
this week.

Asked to respond to talk that he had angered European mobile networks by
playing them off against each other before picking partners Mr Jobs
said: "It's kind of like getting married. We dated a few people but
didn't get married to them. I guess there are a few upset girlfriends
out there."

http://snipurl.com/1qvfh

> Companies that don't hold iPhone contracts are basically dead in the
> water at this point, especially now that 3G has been rendered obsolete.
> Cellphone companies are going to have to scramble to catch up with what
> Apple is delivering today. Everything is going EVDO or WiFi, so it was
> good that the US never got stuck with old fashioned 3G like Europe did.

EVDO *is* a 3G standard, you nitwit! And Jobs doesn't control the
cell-phone market (big surprise for you I'm sure!).

-Frank

On Sep 18, 2:47 pm, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Cellphone companies are going to have to scramble to catch up with what
> Apple is delivering today. Everything is going EVDO or WiFi, so it was
> good that the US never got stuck with old fashioned 3G like Europe

so... 3g sucks, and evdo is good, eh oxford? hahahahaaaaaa!

<snip>

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:47:52 -0600, Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com>
wrote:

>Looks like the slow 3G network died a terrible death today. Jobs said
>it's a "power hog", so basically that's the end of the 3G approach for
>all cellphone companies worldwide going forward.
>
>Just like I thought, WiFi is going to rule the airwaves, not 3G.
>
>That is...
>
>Unless 3.5G / 4G, gets MUCH better about power consumption or Jobs will
>simply put them ALL out of business. Take your pick!
>

Likely very true. WiFi availability is rapidly expanding, and WiMax
will soon be upon us, meanwhile in Houston, TX ATT 3G is like Swiss
Cheese, hardly better than WiFi, despite maps showing otherwise.

On 2007-09-18 14:47:52 -0700, Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> said:

> Looks like the slow 3G network died a terrible death today. Jobs said
> it's a "power hog", so basically that's the end of the 3G approach for
> all cellphone companies worldwide going forward.

No, he said that *today's* 3G chipsets are power hogs, which they are.
Check again in six months. The first generation of 802.11 chips drew
a lot more power than today's equivalents do.

-jcr

On 9/18/07 6:20 PM, in article 88n0f3h3nillt1iqe4dfe0d6fqrakcbvbb@4ax.com,
"karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net" <karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:47:52 -0600, Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like the slow 3G network died a terrible death today. Jobs said
>> it's a "power hog", so basically that's the end of the 3G approach for
>> all cellphone companies worldwide going forward.
>>
>> Just like I thought, WiFi is going to rule the airwaves, not 3G.
>>
>> That is...
>>
>> Unless 3.5G / 4G, gets MUCH better about power consumption or Jobs will
>> simply put them ALL out of business. Take your pick!
>>
>
> Likely very true. WiFi availability is rapidly expanding, and WiMax
> will soon be upon us, meanwhile in Houston, TX ATT 3G is like Swiss
> Cheese, hardly better than WiFi, despite maps showing otherwise.
My EDGE+ (2.5G) here in H-Town pretty much gives me an average of 225 kbps.

Www.iphonenetworktest.com

Oxford wrote:
> Looks like the slow 3G network died a terrible death today. Jobs said
> it's a "power hog", so basically that's the end of the 3G approach for
> all cellphone companies worldwide going forward.
>
> Just like I thought, WiFi is going to rule the airwaves, not 3G.
>
> That is...
>
> Unless 3.5G / 4G, gets MUCH better about power consumption or Jobs will
> simply put them ALL out of business. Take your pick!
>
> Cell companies are very inefficient, they've never had the competitive
> envirnoment that the computer industry has known, so Jobs and Co will
> steamroll them unless they get their act together soon.
>
> Companies that don't hold iPhone contracts are basically dead in the
> water at this point, especially now that 3G has been rendered obsolete.
> Cellphone companies are going to have to scramble to catch up with what
> Apple is delivering today. Everything is going EVDO or WiFi, so it was
> good that the US never got stuck with old fashioned 3G like Europe did.
>
> The iPhone gets around 6 hours of talk time, 10-40 hours of normal use.
> 200 hours of standby. 3G would cut that in half. No thanks!
>
> ----
>
> Apple chief executive Steve Jobs slammed 3G phones for having limited
> battery life as he launched the iPhone in the UK through an exclusive
> deal with network operator O2.
>
> O2 is thought to have signed an unprecedented agreement passing around
> 10pc of all revenues from the iPhone to Apple, whose tough commercial
> terms some other mobile networks baulked at.
>
> One of those was Vodafone, whose chief executive Arun Sarin has pointed
> out that the first version of the iPhone will not run on 3G mobile
> networks, thus offering only the slower web browsing speeds of 2.5G
> unless customers are in a wi-fi hotspot.
>
> Mr Jobs, however, said Apple had decided against incorporating 3G for
> now because it drained battery life. "The 3G chipsets work well apart
> from power. They're real power hogs. Most phones now have battery lives
> of two to three hours," he added.
>
> "Our phone has eight hours of talktime life. That's really important
> when you start to use the internet and want to use the phone to listen
> to music. We've got to see the battery lives for 3G get back up into the
> five-plus hour range. Hopefully we'll see that late next year."
>
> Ben Wood, director of research at CCS Insight said: ''Jobs knows people
> are going to buy iPhone whether it's got 3G or not, it's a lifestyle
> device and a fashion item.
>
> "If you put 3G into it, it could cost $20 to $40 extra for Apple to make
> each one just to placate network operators who have invested billions in
> networks. Doing it this way also allows Jobs to stand up in a year's
> time and say 'now the time is right for the 3G iPhone'."
>
> Apple is expected to award a German iPhone distribution deal to Deutsche
> Telekom's T-Mobile and a French deal to France Telecom's Orange later
> this week.
>
> Asked to respond to talk that he had angered European mobile networks by
> playing them off against each other before picking partners Mr Jobs
> said: "It's kind of like getting married. We dated a few people but
> didn't get married to them. I guess there are a few upset girlfriends
> out there."
>
> http://snipurl.com/1qvfh


Actually Jobs said today that it "will be about another year" before 3G
chips will have low power consumption.

"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote:

> > Companies that don't hold iPhone contracts are basically dead in the
> > water at this point, especially now that 3G has been rendered obsolete.
> > Cellphone companies are going to have to scramble to catch up with what
> > Apple is delivering today. Everything is going EVDO or WiFi, so it was
> > good that the US never got stuck with old fashioned 3G like Europe did.
>
> EVDO *is* a 3G standard, you nitwit! And Jobs doesn't control the
> cell-phone market (big surprise for you I'm sure!).

But it is part of CDMA2000, which doesn't suck power as badly as 3G.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDMA2000

Ah, guess you didn't get the memo, Job now controls the upper portion of
the Cellphone Industry. He'll work his way down over the coming years to
control most of the industry, so everyone better shape up or ship out.

There really isn't any other choice for cell companies at this point.

It sounds like Frankster doesn't know how all this works...

John C. Randolph <jcr.nospam@nospam.mac.com> wrote:

> > Looks like the slow 3G network died a terrible death today. Jobs said
> > it's a "power hog", so basically that's the end of the 3G approach for
> > all cellphone companies worldwide going forward.
>
> No, he said that *today's* 3G chipsets are power hogs, which they are.
> Check again in six months. The first generation of 802.11 chips drew
> a lot more power than today's equivalents do.

Yes, and if the 3G group can rise to meet Steve's challenge they have a
chance, but if not, they will be superseded. There is no reason a faster
protocol needs to be power hungry, it's poor chip design that's all.

karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> >Unless 3.5G / 4G, gets MUCH better about power consumption or Jobs will
> >simply put them ALL out of business. Take your pick!
> >
>
> Likely very true. WiFi availability is rapidly expanding, and WiMax
> will soon be upon us, meanwhile in Houston, TX ATT 3G is like Swiss
> Cheese, hardly better than WiFi, despite maps showing otherwise.

yes, the cell industry is in a state of "collapse", there is no way they
can compete against the iPhone AND free / or closed WiFi. "the internet"
is the network, not some proprietary format that is decades old.

cell networks = punch cards

-

John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Actually Jobs said today that it "will be about another year" before 3G
> chips will have low power consumption.

it won't happen. 3G is dead at this point in the game.

Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in
news:colalovesmacs-4EE5B2.18372318092007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote:
>
>> > Companies that don't hold iPhone contracts are basically dead in
>> > the water at this point, especially now that 3G has been rendered
>> > obsolete. Cellphone companies are going to have to scramble to
>> > catch up with what Apple is delivering today. Everything is going
>> > EVDO or WiFi, so it was good that the US never got stuck with old
>> > fashioned 3G like Europe did.
>>
>> EVDO *is* a 3G standard, you nitwit! And Jobs doesn't control the
>> cell-phone market (big surprise for you I'm sure!).
>
> But it is part of CDMA2000, which doesn't suck power as badly as 3G.
>

Oh, my stupid little troll. You need to learn more before posting in the
big peoples' groups. 3G is a generic term for technology, not a platform
like CDMA2000. EVDO is most certainly 3G technology by every definition
known to man.

And keep spouting about wi-fi. Chicago and San Francisco say hello- they
will bne joined by more major motropolitan areas by the end of the year.

Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in
news:colalovesmacs-F0170A.18403818092007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> John C. Randolph <jcr.nospam@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
>
>> > Looks like the slow 3G network died a terrible death today. Jobs
>> > said it's a "power hog", so basically that's the end of the 3G
>> > approach for all cellphone companies worldwide going forward.
>>
>> No, he said that *today's* 3G chipsets are power hogs, which they
>> are.
>> Check again in six months. The first generation of 802.11 chips
>> drew
>> a lot more power than today's equivalents do.
>
> Yes, and if the 3G group can rise to meet Steve's challenge they have
> a chance, but if not, they will be superseded. There is no reason a
> faster protocol needs to be power hungry, it's poor chip design that's
> all.
>

And what about 4G, fanboi?

Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
66FF04.18445718092007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually Jobs said today that it "will be about another year" before 3G
>> chips will have low power consumption.
>
> it won't happen. 3G is dead at this point in the game.
>

And you declare this without even knowing what it is.

John C. Randolph wrote:
> On 2007-09-18 14:47:52 -0700, Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> said:
>
>> Looks like the slow 3G network died a terrible death today. Jobs said
>> it's a "power hog", so basically that's the end of the 3G approach for
>> all cellphone companies worldwide going forward.
>
> No, he said that *today's* 3G chipsets are power hogs, which they are.
> Check again in six months. The first generation of 802.11 chips drew a
> lot more power than today's equivalents do.

This was really just a rationalization in an attempt to cast the iPhone
competition in a bad light, until Apple can catch up and offer 3G.

Yes 3G uses a lot of power, so does WiFi. A lot of users of 3G are
tethering, and the large laptop battery is powering the phone via USB.

It's two different markets. Most iPhone users are content with Edge to
use when on the road, and at work and home they have WiFi. The HSDPA and
EVDO users are willing to pay for high-speed ubiquitous access. For now,
WiFi access is very hit or miss, and of course there is no handoff.
WiMax will change all this if it ever gets deployed sufficiently, but
we're a long way from that.