Oxygen Phone Manager II advertising

I'm not meaning to cause an argument here, but is anyone else finding the
advertisements for OPMII at EVERY opportunity verging on spam?

I have no problem at all with somebody recommending something to me to solve
a problem, but not when there are quicker, cheaper, and perfectly good
alternative ways of solving the same problems - it's simply bad advice.

Over the past few of weeks I've seen people asking about several problems
(e.g. deleting ring tones and pictures) which can be solved by simply using
the built in phone menus. Yet OPMII was recommended and the postings fail to
mention that to use it you would require either IR or a lead. As most
computers do not have IR or come with free Nokia leads this can incur a cost
upwards of £30 and a delay until they can buy the hardware, not to mention
the hassle of downloading and installing software that you also need to pay
for to get the full functionality.

Many problems posted can also be solved with the completely free Nokia PC
Suite. Now ok, OPMII is a rival piece of software, but I don't see such
spammy adverts for LogoManager (another rival piece of software) - which, as
far as features are concerned, is a very similar piece of software.

If somebody said they wanted to edit their autoexec.bat file in Windows,
would you recommend they go out and buy Office XP Pro for £400 just because
it can edit text files plus a lot more. Of course not! If you have any sense
you'd tell them about Notepad. If somebody wanted an answering service who
is using BT, would you recommend they go out and buy a
Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine for £300? Of course not!
What's wrong with the free BT answer service? I feel that in a lot of cases
that OPMII is recommended, the advice is extremely crass at best. Giving
such advice in such cases just makes you look incompetent and highly lacking
in knowledge of Nokia phones. When someone posted saying they didn't know
how to delete a user ring tone and OPMII was recommended, that simply
suggests that you guys don't know about the "delete" option in the gallery
menu. Advertising it at every opportunity, in such a nonsensical situation,
simply comes across in the same manner that door to door salesmen do. You
guys wouldn't be going that much further by recommending OPMII every time
somebody posted to alt.comp.periphs saying they wanted to test their IR or
USB port with something.

Now, let me ask you all this: Would you want to buy a product from a door to
door salesman who's been to your door many times already, who gives out
obviously crass advice and who appears incompetent and severely lacking in
knowledge in the area that their product targets? I know I certainly
wouldn't! And that's exactly who you're coming across to people in this
newsgroup (IMHO).

Don't get me wrong, OPMII isn't a bad piece of software and does have its
place. Just like MS Office Pro is a great piece of software if you need its
features over and above what Notepad can do, and just like a
Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine is a great piece of kit if you
need to send faxes and emails without a computer. But come on you guys, why
not try recommending it to people who DO really need it (i.e. not the people
who don't know how to delete user graphics and ring tones from the gallery
using the menus). That way your advice will come across as good and you
would come across as knowing about the basics of nokia phones (such as the
previously mentioned delete function in the gallery) and people will trust
you, and hence consider buying your software as you come across as
knowledgeable in the area of Nokia phones.

Take it or leave it...

Adam

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pedantic aren't we?

so a bunch of russians are peddling their wares... so what

its a 'Forum' get it ?

don't police it

cheers

btw flame em, praise em do whatever to em, the truth comes out....
thats what a forum is all about

"Adam Greatrix" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm not meaning to cause an argument here, but is anyone else finding the
> advertisements for OPMII at EVERY opportunity verging on spam?
>
> I have no problem at all with somebody recommending something to me to
solve
> a problem, but not when there are quicker, cheaper, and perfectly good
> alternative ways of solving the same problems - it's simply bad advice.
>
> Over the past few of weeks I've seen people asking about several problems
> (e.g. deleting ring tones and pictures) which can be solved by simply
using
> the built in phone menus. Yet OPMII was recommended and the postings fail
to
> mention that to use it you would require either IR or a lead. As most
> computers do not have IR or come with free Nokia leads this can incur a
cost
> upwards of £30 and a delay until they can buy the hardware, not to mention
> the hassle of downloading and installing software that you also need to
pay
> for to get the full functionality.
>
> Many problems posted can also be solved with the completely free Nokia PC
> Suite. Now ok, OPMII is a rival piece of software, but I don't see such
> spammy adverts for LogoManager (another rival piece of software) - which,
as
> far as features are concerned, is a very similar piece of software.
>
> If somebody said they wanted to edit their autoexec.bat file in Windows,
> would you recommend they go out and buy Office XP Pro for £400 just
because
> it can edit text files plus a lot more. Of course not! If you have any
sense
> you'd tell them about Notepad. If somebody wanted an answering service who
> is using BT, would you recommend they go out and buy a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine for £300? Of course not!
> What's wrong with the free BT answer service? I feel that in a lot of
cases
> that OPMII is recommended, the advice is extremely crass at best. Giving
> such advice in such cases just makes you look incompetent and highly
lacking
> in knowledge of Nokia phones. When someone posted saying they didn't know
> how to delete a user ring tone and OPMII was recommended, that simply
> suggests that you guys don't know about the "delete" option in the gallery
> menu. Advertising it at every opportunity, in such a nonsensical
situation,
> simply comes across in the same manner that door to door salesmen do. You
> guys wouldn't be going that much further by recommending OPMII every time
> somebody posted to alt.comp.periphs saying they wanted to test their IR or
> USB port with something.
>
> Now, let me ask you all this: Would you want to buy a product from a door
to
> door salesman who's been to your door many times already, who gives out
> obviously crass advice and who appears incompetent and severely lacking in
> knowledge in the area that their product targets? I know I certainly
> wouldn't! And that's exactly who you're coming across to people in this
> newsgroup (IMHO).
>
> Don't get me wrong, OPMII isn't a bad piece of software and does have its
> place. Just like MS Office Pro is a great piece of software if you need
its
> features over and above what Notepad can do, and just like a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine is a great piece of kit if
you
> need to send faxes and emails without a computer. But come on you guys,
why
> not try recommending it to people who DO really need it (i.e. not the
people
> who don't know how to delete user graphics and ring tones from the gallery
> using the menus). That way your advice will come across as good and you
> would come across as knowing about the basics of nokia phones (such as the
> previously mentioned delete function in the gallery) and people will trust
> you, and hence consider buying your software as you come across as
> knowledgeable in the area of Nokia phones.
>
> Take it or leave it...
>
> Adam
>
> --
>
>

Just because he gives advice , the asking party doesnt have to take it, and
you certainly do not have to read it.

"Adam Greatrix" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm not meaning to cause an argument here, but is anyone else finding the
> advertisements for OPMII at EVERY opportunity verging on spam?
>
> I have no problem at all with somebody recommending something to me to
solve
> a problem, but not when there are quicker, cheaper, and perfectly good
> alternative ways of solving the same problems - it's simply bad advice.
>
> Over the past few of weeks I've seen people asking about several problems
> (e.g. deleting ring tones and pictures) which can be solved by simply
using
> the built in phone menus. Yet OPMII was recommended and the postings fail
to
> mention that to use it you would require either IR or a lead. As most
> computers do not have IR or come with free Nokia leads this can incur a
cost
> upwards of £30 and a delay until they can buy the hardware, not to mention
> the hassle of downloading and installing software that you also need to
pay
> for to get the full functionality.
>
> Many problems posted can also be solved with the completely free Nokia PC
> Suite. Now ok, OPMII is a rival piece of software, but I don't see such
> spammy adverts for LogoManager (another rival piece of software) - which,
as
> far as features are concerned, is a very similar piece of software.
>
> If somebody said they wanted to edit their autoexec.bat file in Windows,
> would you recommend they go out and buy Office XP Pro for £400 just
because
> it can edit text files plus a lot more. Of course not! If you have any
sense
> you'd tell them about Notepad. If somebody wanted an answering service who
> is using BT, would you recommend they go out and buy a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine for £300? Of course not!
> What's wrong with the free BT answer service? I feel that in a lot of
cases
> that OPMII is recommended, the advice is extremely crass at best. Giving
> such advice in such cases just makes you look incompetent and highly
lacking
> in knowledge of Nokia phones. When someone posted saying they didn't know
> how to delete a user ring tone and OPMII was recommended, that simply
> suggests that you guys don't know about the "delete" option in the gallery
> menu. Advertising it at every opportunity, in such a nonsensical
situation,
> simply comes across in the same manner that door to door salesmen do. You
> guys wouldn't be going that much further by recommending OPMII every time
> somebody posted to alt.comp.periphs saying they wanted to test their IR or
> USB port with something.
>
> Now, let me ask you all this: Would you want to buy a product from a door
to
> door salesman who's been to your door many times already, who gives out
> obviously crass advice and who appears incompetent and severely lacking in
> knowledge in the area that their product targets? I know I certainly
> wouldn't! And that's exactly who you're coming across to people in this
> newsgroup (IMHO).
>
> Don't get me wrong, OPMII isn't a bad piece of software and does have its
> place. Just like MS Office Pro is a great piece of software if you need
its
> features over and above what Notepad can do, and just like a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine is a great piece of kit if
you
> need to send faxes and emails without a computer. But come on you guys,
why
> not try recommending it to people who DO really need it (i.e. not the
people
> who don't know how to delete user graphics and ring tones from the gallery
> using the menus). That way your advice will come across as good and you
> would come across as knowing about the basics of nokia phones (such as the
> previously mentioned delete function in the gallery) and people will trust
> you, and hence consider buying your software as you come across as
> knowledgeable in the area of Nokia phones.
>
> Take it or leave it...
>
> Adam
>
> --
>
>

"The Amazed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just because he gives advice , the asking party doesnt have to take it,
and
> you certainly do not have to read it.

Yeah, but my point is, if you want to sell some software, the best way to
sell it is not to force it in peoples faces, and more importantly not to
offer it in situations that make you look like you haven't a clue what
you're talking about. Doing so will just result in people being put off the
product, and a wasted newsgroup reply.

And I do have to read it... if somebody asks a question in here it's a good
idea to see if anyone else has replied to it first and solved their
problem - you have to read the content of a post before you know what's in
it.

Adam

Just another thread that wants to start a war IMHO.
I don't mind the odd bit of advertising as the product needs funding if it
is to survive and this is a Nokia related group. If you moderate that, I
for one may miss the latest updates as I don't realise they are out. When
it is excessive marketting like 20 messages I may see your point or if it
was Viagra which it isn't. I'd rather one post here than constant postings
to my mail box.
You say there is the Nokia product. There is, but it is crap. I want to
hear about the new products from Oxy and LM even if you don't and if you
don't the solution is simple...
In Outlook go to messages/block sender. Then that way people that want to
be notified are and those that don't aren't.
Now your only arguement for continuing would be why should he post them
here?
That would then be pointless and a waste of time considering they wouldn't
affect you.

These postings get very boring and clogg the newsgroup up with "why should
so and so..." messages instead of just deleting the message. In that way
you contradict your own arguement because your post thread is not Nokia
related, whereas Oxygens is.

Mr Mole.

I see what you are saying, and I understand completely. I hate it when
people all tell me I need to use a specific program to do something too.
However I just chalk it up to someone not knowing any other way to do it.
That is just the same as asking "What is the best film to use in order to
take pictures at my son's graduation?" The answer could be simply "Kodak
Max 800". Well that would be true, but there are a lot of other brands out
there that will do the same thing.

Just one persons advise, does not really constitute spam though. Just they
are very hyper about the program and want to take every oportunity to tell
everyone about it.



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"Adam Greatrix" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm not meaning to cause an argument here, but is anyone else finding the
> advertisements for OPMII at EVERY opportunity verging on spam?
>
> I have no problem at all with somebody recommending something to me to
solve
> a problem, but not when there are quicker, cheaper, and perfectly good
> alternative ways of solving the same problems - it's simply bad advice.
>
> Over the past few of weeks I've seen people asking about several problems
> (e.g. deleting ring tones and pictures) which can be solved by simply
using
> the built in phone menus. Yet OPMII was recommended and the postings fail
to
> mention that to use it you would require either IR or a lead. As most
> computers do not have IR or come with free Nokia leads this can incur a
cost
> upwards of £30 and a delay until they can buy the hardware, not to mention
> the hassle of downloading and installing software that you also need to
pay
> for to get the full functionality.
>
> Many problems posted can also be solved with the completely free Nokia PC
> Suite. Now ok, OPMII is a rival piece of software, but I don't see such
> spammy adverts for LogoManager (another rival piece of software) - which,
as
> far as features are concerned, is a very similar piece of software.
>
> If somebody said they wanted to edit their autoexec.bat file in Windows,
> would you recommend they go out and buy Office XP Pro for £400 just
because
> it can edit text files plus a lot more. Of course not! If you have any
sense
> you'd tell them about Notepad. If somebody wanted an answering service who
> is using BT, would you recommend they go out and buy a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine for £300? Of course not!
> What's wrong with the free BT answer service? I feel that in a lot of
cases
> that OPMII is recommended, the advice is extremely crass at best. Giving
> such advice in such cases just makes you look incompetent and highly
lacking
> in knowledge of Nokia phones. When someone posted saying they didn't know
> how to delete a user ring tone and OPMII was recommended, that simply
> suggests that you guys don't know about the "delete" option in the gallery
> menu. Advertising it at every opportunity, in such a nonsensical
situation,
> simply comes across in the same manner that door to door salesmen do. You
> guys wouldn't be going that much further by recommending OPMII every time
> somebody posted to alt.comp.periphs saying they wanted to test their IR or
> USB port with something.
>
> Now, let me ask you all this: Would you want to buy a product from a door
to
> door salesman who's been to your door many times already, who gives out
> obviously crass advice and who appears incompetent and severely lacking in
> knowledge in the area that their product targets? I know I certainly
> wouldn't! And that's exactly who you're coming across to people in this
> newsgroup (IMHO).
>
> Don't get me wrong, OPMII isn't a bad piece of software and does have its
> place. Just like MS Office Pro is a great piece of software if you need
its
> features over and above what Notepad can do, and just like a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine is a great piece of kit if
you
> need to send faxes and emails without a computer. But come on you guys,
why
> not try recommending it to people who DO really need it (i.e. not the
people
> who don't know how to delete user graphics and ring tones from the gallery
> using the menus). That way your advice will come across as good and you
> would come across as knowing about the basics of nokia phones (such as the
> previously mentioned delete function in the gallery) and people will trust
> you, and hence consider buying your software as you come across as
> knowledgeable in the area of Nokia phones.
>
> Take it or leave it...
>
> Adam
>
> --
>
>

"The Mole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just another thread that wants to start a war IMHO.

Not the point at all. My point is that I've seen OPMII recommended for
things such as deleting custom ringtones and graphics. What's wrong with the
phone menu's for this? Advertising the product for situations like this
makes it appear that the don't know about the "delete" function in the
menus. If they don't know about that then how good can their software be?
That's my point. I know their software is good, and I know they have to
advertise it, and I know that they obviously DO know how Nokia phones work.
I'm just saying that it does NOT come across like that when they recommend
their software in such situations.

> I want to
> hear about the new products from Oxy and LM even if you don't and if you
> don't the solution is simple...

Again, you misunderstand me - I also want to hear about such new products
(or features thereof), but not several times a day, nor advertisments for
features that the phone can also do itself without any extra software or
hardware (ir port or lead).

> Now your only arguement for continuing would be why should he post them
> here?

That was never an argument. A Nokia newgroup is an obvious place to
advertise nokia software.

> That would then be pointless and a waste of time considering they wouldn't
> affect you.

Assuming I'd want to block the senders of such messages - which I don't. I
don't want to reply to peoples problems that have already been solved by
other people satisfactorily. The posters of such advertisments don't just
post adverts, they post other stuff too that I want to read.

> These postings get very boring and clogg the newsgroup up with "why should
> so and so..." messages instead of just deleting the message. In that way
> you contradict your own arguement because your post thread is not Nokia
> related, whereas Oxygens is.

Seems you didn't read (or maybe take in) several parts of my original post
then. My post contains many references to advice (and its relevance, merits,
or lack of) given out to people using Nokia phones. Is this newsgroup not a
suitable place for discussing advice about Nokia phones?

Adam

spam spam spam spam spam
more spam and what about people advertising websites in their signature

www.nospam.com

"Adam Greatrix" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm not meaning to cause an argument here, but is anyone else finding the
> advertisements for OPMII at EVERY opportunity verging on spam?
>
> I have no problem at all with somebody recommending something to me to
solve
> a problem, but not when there are quicker, cheaper, and perfectly good
> alternative ways of solving the same problems - it's simply bad advice.
>
> Over the past few of weeks I've seen people asking about several problems
> (e.g. deleting ring tones and pictures) which can be solved by simply
using
> the built in phone menus. Yet OPMII was recommended and the postings fail
to
> mention that to use it you would require either IR or a lead. As most
> computers do not have IR or come with free Nokia leads this can incur a
cost
> upwards of £30 and a delay until they can buy the hardware, not to mention
> the hassle of downloading and installing software that you also need to
pay
> for to get the full functionality.
>
> Many problems posted can also be solved with the completely free Nokia PC
> Suite. Now ok, OPMII is a rival piece of software, but I don't see such
> spammy adverts for LogoManager (another rival piece of software) - which,
as
> far as features are concerned, is a very similar piece of software.
>
> If somebody said they wanted to edit their autoexec.bat file in Windows,
> would you recommend they go out and buy Office XP Pro for £400 just
because
> it can edit text files plus a lot more. Of course not! If you have any
sense
> you'd tell them about Notepad. If somebody wanted an answering service who
> is using BT, would you recommend they go out and buy a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine for £300? Of course not!
> What's wrong with the free BT answer service? I feel that in a lot of
cases
> that OPMII is recommended, the advice is extremely crass at best. Giving
> such advice in such cases just makes you look incompetent and highly
lacking
> in knowledge of Nokia phones. When someone posted saying they didn't know
> how to delete a user ring tone and OPMII was recommended, that simply
> suggests that you guys don't know about the "delete" option in the gallery
> menu. Advertising it at every opportunity, in such a nonsensical
situation,
> simply comes across in the same manner that door to door salesmen do. You
> guys wouldn't be going that much further by recommending OPMII every time
> somebody posted to alt.comp.periphs saying they wanted to test their IR or
> USB port with something.
>
> Now, let me ask you all this: Would you want to buy a product from a door
to
> door salesman who's been to your door many times already, who gives out
> obviously crass advice and who appears incompetent and severely lacking in
> knowledge in the area that their product targets? I know I certainly
> wouldn't! And that's exactly who you're coming across to people in this
> newsgroup (IMHO).
>
> Don't get me wrong, OPMII isn't a bad piece of software and does have its
> place. Just like MS Office Pro is a great piece of software if you need
its
> features over and above what Notepad can do, and just like a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine is a great piece of kit if
you
> need to send faxes and emails without a computer. But come on you guys,
why
> not try recommending it to people who DO really need it (i.e. not the
people
> who don't know how to delete user graphics and ring tones from the gallery
> using the menus). That way your advice will come across as good and you
> would come across as knowing about the basics of nokia phones (such as the
> previously mentioned delete function in the gallery) and people will trust
> you, and hence consider buying your software as you come across as
> knowledgeable in the area of Nokia phones.
>
> Take it or leave it...
>
> Adam
>
> --
>
>

"Adam Greatrix" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm not meaning to cause an argument here, but is anyone else
finding the
> advertisements for OPMII at EVERY opportunity verging on spam?

Yes, and no. Yes, as there <does> seem to be a lot sometimes.
No, as it is relavent to the subject in hand.

> I have no problem at all with somebody recommending something to me
to solve
> a problem, but not when there are quicker, cheaper, and perfectly
good
> alternative ways of solving the same problems - it's simply bad
advice.

Humm, I guess its up to us, the NG population to advise accordingly.
Oxygen are there to
promote OPM2 after all.

> Over the past few of weeks I've seen people asking about several
problems
> (e.g. deleting ring tones and pictures) which can be solved by
simply using
> the built in phone menus. Yet OPMII was recommended and the postings
fail to
> mention that to use it you would require either IR or a lead. As
most
> computers do not have IR or come with free Nokia leads this can
incur a cost
> upwards of £30 and a delay until they can buy the hardware, not to
mention
> the hassle of downloading and installing software that you also need
to pay
> for to get the full functionality.

True, true.

> Many problems posted can also be solved with the completely free
Nokia PC
> Suite. Now ok, OPMII is a rival piece of software, but I don't see
such
> spammy adverts for LogoManager (another rival piece of software) -
which, as
> far as features are concerned, is a very similar piece of software.

No, can't agree there. I have both. Logomanager is GREAT for logos,
ringtones & sending SMSs. It doesn't manage the whole of the phone
like OPM2 does. eg, FM radio stations on me 8310

> If somebody said they wanted to edit their autoexec.bat file in
Windows,
> would you recommend they go out and buy Office XP Pro for £400 just
because
> it can edit text files plus a lot more. Of course not! If you have
any sense
> you'd tell them about Notepad. If somebody wanted an answering
service who
> is using BT, would you recommend they go out and buy a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine for £300? Of course
not!
> What's wrong with the free BT answer service? I feel that in a lot
of cases
> that OPMII is recommended, the advice is extremely crass at best.
Giving
> such advice in such cases just makes you look incompetent and highly
lacking
> in knowledge of Nokia phones. When someone posted saying they didn't
know
> how to delete a user ring tone and OPMII was recommended, that
simply
> suggests that you guys don't know about the "delete" option in the
gallery
> menu. Advertising it at every opportunity, in such a nonsensical
situation,

Can be put to good use if you want to make a point to Oxygen, I'm sure
the regulars remember my little.....disagreement a while back that
resulted in the OPM2 license changes.

> simply comes across in the same manner that door to door salesmen
do. You
> guys wouldn't be going that much further by recommending OPMII every
time
> somebody posted to alt.comp.periphs saying they wanted to test their
IR or
> USB port with something.
>
> Now, let me ask you all this: Would you want to buy a product from a
door to
> door salesman who's been to your door many times already, who gives
out
> obviously crass advice and who appears incompetent and severely
lacking in
> knowledge in the area that their product targets? I know I certainly
> wouldn't! And that's exactly who you're coming across to people in
this
> newsgroup (IMHO).

Hummm, trouble is, unless we give the simple answers to people who
don't know, Oxygen is going to be the default answer.

> Don't get me wrong, OPMII isn't a bad piece of software and does
have its
> place. Just like MS Office Pro is a great piece of software if you
need its
> features over and above what Notepad can do, and just like a
> Telephone/Fax/Email/Digital Answering Machine is a great piece of
kit if you
> need to send faxes and emails without a computer. But come on you
guys, why
> not try recommending it to people who DO really need it (i.e. not
the people
> who don't know how to delete user graphics and ring tones from the
gallery
> using the menus).

Oxygen want to sell software, (lots!) why would they do as you
suggest?

That way your advice will come across as good and you
> would come across as knowing about the basics of nokia phones (such
as the
> previously mentioned delete function in the gallery) and people will
trust
> you, and hence consider buying your software as you come across as
> knowledgeable in the area of Nokia phones.

I never trust anything on the internet unless I can get it verified
elsewhere.


> Take it or leave it...

Thats the best advice. People asking questions can choose to take the
answer given, find out more details, & proceed accordingly. People who
trust everything they are told without checking the answers.... well
nuff said.

> Adam
>
> --
>
>

Thus spake the top-poster "scolley" <[email protected]> in
message news:[email protected]...
> spam spam spam spam spam
> more spam

Err..... And your point is?

> and what about people advertising websites in their signature

What about it? If you have a valid point, make it. But, you may want to
research the usage of sigs prior to your next blurting.

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> Not the point at all. My point is that I've seen OPMII recommended for
> things such as deleting custom ringtones and graphics. What's wrong with
the
> phone menu's for this? Advertising the product for situations like this
> makes it appear that the don't know about the "delete" function in the
> menus. If they don't know about that then how good can their software be?
> That's my point. I know their software is good, and I know they have to
> advertise it, and I know that they obviously DO know how Nokia phones
work.
> I'm just saying that it does NOT come across like that when they recommend
> their software in such situations.
Well if you take LM for example, or similar, but I confess I am a big fan of
LM - I just like the simplicity more than Oxygen, although Oxygen is good -
I prefer the LM and MobiMB style. But that aside, if I were to edit my
phonebook via the menus it would take me ages. With various products I can
edit with ease, backup, delete, move etc. Much of which is time consuming.
You also have to remember new Nokia users are not aware you can edit the
phone using sw, fix problems by using the sw to do so etc. It may not seem
important to you, but someone else may find that useful. Also they need to
sell their sw which means advertising it, to keep it funded. If someone
wants a solution and using Oxygen and delete is the way - why not.
I don't think Oxygen post too much and usually it is contained within a
thread reply or their own. I don't see it a problem as long as products
talked about are used with Nokia phones.
>
> > I want to
> > hear about the new products from Oxy and LM even if you don't and if you
> > don't the solution is simple...
>
> Again, you misunderstand me - I also want to hear about such new products
> (or features thereof), but not several times a day, nor advertisments for
> features that the phone can also do itself without any extra software or
> hardware (ir port or lead).
No disagree on functions the phone can also do. Some of this is because it
is a hell of a lot faster and easier to do.
Yes, you can do this on the phone, but speed is the benefit of the sw.
However, IMHO, Oxygen as advertising goes should be in answers to questions
(why shouldn't they - Nokia related) and the odd own post when a new version
is out!
>
> > Now your only arguement for continuing would be why should he post them
> > here?
>
> That was never an argument. A Nokia newgroup is an obvious place to
> advertise nokia software.
>
> > That would then be pointless and a waste of time considering they
wouldn't
> > affect you.
>
> Assuming I'd want to block the senders of such messages - which I don't. I
> don't want to reply to peoples problems that have already been solved by
> other people satisfactorily. The posters of such advertisments don't just
> post adverts, they post other stuff too that I want to read.
Well, you have to choose then.
To block or not...
For example, I have seen people before answer something like default is
12345 and another person will follow it with exactly the same thing.
However, if the follow up is that the sw can force the phone to 12345 that
is an entirely different subject.
Basically if you find someone too spammy for you, block their posts - you
weigh up which is more important to you. I think the main thing is that we
should have freedom to say what we want as long as within realms of topic
and not flooding ads.
It only really annoys me when it is either obvious trolls or spam on other
subjects. I think I am flexible. I think spam has become a political
correctness. Nothing vaguely advertising. I think advertising should be
allowed as freedom of speech - providing it is in context and not excessive.
People have the right to spam, but I have the right to block them - and I
do.
The best way I have found is not to filter, but install a program that
deletes on the server and shows your friends up in a colour.
That way no viruses, attachments ever get to my PC as they are deleted at
the source and I download only what I want to...
I think when it comes to e-mail spam, it is a pity because that ruins what
is a very good communication idea and makes it an inefficient risk - ie a
virus to a business could cause a loss of thousands.
There is one person in alt.music.pet-shop-boys that constantly spams crap
under various aliases and has been there for years because he is an idiot.
Worst being he doesn't understand himself. All I do is every mail he posts
under I block it and advise others to do the same. If everyone did that he
would be wasting his time and probably disappear - but people can't do that
and have to retaliate - result - total mess....
>
> > These postings get very boring and clogg the newsgroup up with "why
should
> > so and so..." messages instead of just deleting the message. In that
way
> > you contradict your own arguement because your post thread is not Nokia
> > related, whereas Oxygens is.
>
> Seems you didn't read (or maybe take in) several parts of my original post
> then. My post contains many references to advice (and its relevance,
merits,
> or lack of) given out to people using Nokia phones. Is this newsgroup not
a
> suitable place for discussing advice about Nokia phones?
You've got me at it now, so I won't be responding further.
If you don't like Oxygen, don't buy it - but I think its very good and worth
the money (even if people cannot afford/too tight to pay £10 renewal fees
once a year to get all the latest benefits). Unfortunately, I have never
got to grips with Oxygen in quite the same way as I have with LM and
MobiMB - I love the LM feel and design, plus the update prices etc are fine
for me as LM comes free (more luck than planning tho). No doubt if these
products didn't exist I'd be fine with Oxygen - only I have grown up with LM
and it's ease of use and wide compatibility... 1.3.1 is out now
incidentally...

My Top 10 Nokia sw would be (sorry - order of main usage):

1. any decent DCT4 calculator - probably be my DataONE if they add a DCT3
calc some day...
(I've only bothered with Nokia so far - quite hard to find someone with the
cable kits for my version)
P.S - They took note of a few of my sw update suggestions - latest sw is
nice
2. Rolis 1.9 B2 / Jordik 3.20+ (Mole version made by Jordik with no IMEI
change)
3. LogoManager
4. Nokia Resource 2001, 2002.
5. MobiMB
6. kNok 1a / PC Locals 1.3
7. Cellular Essentials
8. Oxygen 2
9. Rolis 4.77 flasher
10. NKProfile (hardly used now as have Rolis or Jordik)

Mr Mole.

"The Mole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You also have to remember new Nokia users are not aware you can edit the
> phone using sw, fix problems by using the sw to do so etc

So long as people like me continue to tell them about the features of the
firmware they already own I suppose this shouldn't be a problem.

> Some of this is because it
> is a hell of a lot faster and easier to do [with extra software].

A very good point, but it's something I considered, which is why my specific
examples were "deleting custom images and ringtones". Obviously the software
does have areas where it truly excels, especially phone book editing, or
anything with a lot of text. But you would have to remember that to use
external software requires you to (initially) download the software
(repeated whenever you update it), install it (ditto), set it up (ditto),
buy a lead/ir dongle (assuming you don't have one already), install it and
get that working. This will obviously take a lot of time and I reckon you
could get through a lot of menu's in same amount of time. Obviously once
it's installed it will be faster, especially for large tasks.

> You've got me at it now, so I won't be responding further.

Aye, I think we've all laid our cards on the table. Some people
misunderstood me however. It was more aimed at a suggestion to the makers of
the software that they sometimes come across as completely ignorant of what
you can do with the actual phones by themselves and I felt that would put
people off buying their product - I mean would you buy a specialised but of
kit under the advice of someone that obviously didn't have a clue about it?
Obviously they want to sell their software, which I've always maintained
appears very good so maybe they don't want to tell people that their phones
can already do some of things their software can do (better). If they
replied to posts with an answer like "You can delete custom images by
pressing the delete key on your phone when the image is highlighted in the
gallery, but copy/delete/move images in bulk (and many other things) using
OPMII" that would be great. That way they highlight why their software is
better than the phone by itself, come across as being fair and not trying to
shove their software in your face, and leave the poster with the feeling
that they have a choice. I feel much more comfortable in buying stuff when I
feel like I do have a choice, and when I feel I've been accurately informed
of what I would gain from it.

Of course, it's up to them.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Adam

Hello,

> more spam and what about people advertising websites in their signature
Hey, it's pointless. You can write ad for a website in your signature as
long as it ain't bigger than 4 lines.

Regards,
G.T
[email protected]
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st

"G.T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Hello,
>
> > more spam and what about people advertising websites in their signature
> Hey, it's pointless. You can write ad for a website in your signature as
> long as it ain't bigger than 4 lines.
>
> Regards,
> G.T
> [email protected]
> 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st

(Sig left in for a reason)

Sigs are also supposed to be seperated form the body of the post via a sig
seperator (-- ) or dash dash space (which yours doesn't appear to have :-))
so that it can be stripped by most newsreaders if that is your preference.

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