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  1. #16
    Richard Colton
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    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in

    message
    > news:%[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > message news:[email protected]...
    > > ><snip>
    > > > I see. I'm a software developer and as a result of that, I never shop
    > > > online.

    > >
    > > Erm... and your point is?

    >
    > My point is that I know what can go wrong with online transactions, and

    that
    > I also know how very easy it is for malicious users to take advantage of
    > online systems. The same reason why I don't trust wireless stuff, credit
    > cards, and a lot of others stuff.


    I take it you don't ever use a credit card wher it could be out of sight for
    even a second, or over the telephone then? Anyway, I digress, and it is
    your decision at the end of the day.

    > > > Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by 'had it unlocked' ?

    > >
    > > Most, if not all, pay as you go or pay in advance phones are locked to

    > only
    > > work on the supplying network's system. Unlocking them, simply allows

    the
    > > use of a SIM card from any network operator.

    >
    > I see - never bought a locked phone, then.


    You will be this time if you buy a PAYG handset.

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  2. #17
    Martin Crosbie
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    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?


    "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in

    message
    > news:%[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > message news:[email protected]...
    > > ><snip>
    > > > I see. I'm a software developer and as a result of that, I never shop
    > > > online.

    > >
    > > Erm... and your point is?

    >
    > My point is that I know what can go wrong with online transactions, and

    that
    > I also know how very easy it is for malicious users to take advantage of
    > online systems. The same reason why I don't trust wireless stuff, credit
    > cards, and a lot of others stuff.


    so why are you using the internet at all then? there is a big world out
    there and it is perfectly safe for you to come out from underneath the bed.
    many millions more people died in the dark ages than die today, and you
    really want to go back there? bits of flint cut things as well as knives,
    shall we go back to using them too? shall we go back to cooking freshly
    killed animals over an open fire in the middle of the house? I know, lets
    forget this futuristic 'plumbing' idea, and go back to chucking stuff out
    into the rest of the street?

    Mankind has moved on, and is trying to move further, but it is held back by
    idiots. there is no reason for us to be as backward as we are, except that
    too many people are too ignorant to bother. if you really want to stay
    backwards, go join the people who still think the world is flat, and half
    your lifespan along with them.

    sending a text message will not kill you. looking at a colour screen on your
    phone will not kill you. The internet is not some dark place where bad
    things happen, it is in fact the best communications tool yet devised. take
    the mask off and don't be afraid of someone seeing your face. Nokia have yet
    to make a really useful phone that can do everything we need it to, let
    alone the stuff it should be doing, so just get a 6600, it's the closest
    they've got so far.

    Martin Crosbie





  3. #18
    Princess Morgiah
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    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > I take it you don't ever use a credit card wher it could be out of sight

    for
    > even a second, or over the telephone then? Anyway, I digress, and it is
    > your decision at the end of the day.


    I pay in cash as much as I can, and only my card if really necessary.

    > > > > Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by 'had it unlocked' ?
    > > >
    > > > Most, if not all, pay as you go or pay in advance phones are locked to

    > > only
    > > > work on the supplying network's system. Unlocking them, simply allows

    > the
    > > > use of a SIM card from any network operator.

    > >
    > > I see - never bought a locked phone, then.

    >
    > You will be this time if you buy a PAYG handset.


    Which I won't be buying. But thanks for explaining!

    Princess Morgiah





  4. #19
    Princess Morgiah
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > so why are you using the internet at all then? there is a big world out
    > there and it is perfectly safe for you to come out from underneath the

    bed.
    > many millions more people died in the dark ages than die today, and you
    > really want to go back there? bits of flint cut things as well as knives,
    > shall we go back to using them too? shall we go back to cooking freshly
    > killed animals over an open fire in the middle of the house? I know, lets
    > forget this futuristic 'plumbing' idea, and go back to chucking stuff out
    > into the rest of the street?


    Nice way of exagerating what I said. I was only talking about online
    transactions - the internet is way more than that.

    > Mankind has moved on, and is trying to move further, but it is held back

    by
    > idiots. there is no reason for us to be as backward as we are, except that
    > too many people are too ignorant to bother. if you really want to stay
    > backwards, go join the people who still think the world is flat, and half
    > your lifespan along with them.


    And now thanks for the insults - as a software developer I am one of those
    people who CREATE a little piece of the internet day by day, as a matter of
    fact. I don't want to go backwards, I'm just selective of what I use.

    > sending a text message will not kill you. looking at a colour screen on

    your
    > phone will not kill you. The internet is not some dark place where bad
    > things happen, it is in fact the best communications tool yet devised.

    take
    > the mask off and don't be afraid of someone seeing your face. Nokia have

    yet
    > to make a really useful phone that can do everything we need it to, let
    > alone the stuff it should be doing, so just get a 6600, it's the closest
    > they've got so far.


    I send text messages quite frequently, but I have no need for them on my new
    phone. Why have it then?

    I can see NO advantage in a colour screen on something as trivial as a mobil
    e phone, why pay for it then?

    The only thing I need from Nokia (or anyone else for that matter) for this
    phone is to phone. My other phones, that's another story.

    Give me one good reason why I should 'move on' and buy the latest gimmicky
    phone, while I could be spending my money on something useful.

    Trying something just to try it is not an option: if I want to do something
    like that, I'll just let my company pay for that.

    Princess Morgiah





  5. #20
    Martin Crosbie
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?


    "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]...
    > "Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > so why are you using the internet at all then? there is a big world out
    > > there and it is perfectly safe for you to come out from underneath the

    > bed.
    > > many millions more people died in the dark ages than die today, and you
    > > really want to go back there? bits of flint cut things as well as

    knives,
    > > shall we go back to using them too? shall we go back to cooking freshly
    > > killed animals over an open fire in the middle of the house? I know,

    lets
    > > forget this futuristic 'plumbing' idea, and go back to chucking stuff

    out
    > > into the rest of the street?

    >
    > Nice way of exagerating what I said. I was only talking about online
    > transactions - the internet is way more than that.
    >
    > > Mankind has moved on, and is trying to move further, but it is held back

    > by
    > > idiots. there is no reason for us to be as backward as we are, except

    that
    > > too many people are too ignorant to bother. if you really want to stay
    > > backwards, go join the people who still think the world is flat, and

    half
    > > your lifespan along with them.

    >
    > And now thanks for the insults - as a software developer I am one of those
    > people who CREATE a little piece of the internet day by day, as a matter

    of
    > fact. I don't want to go backwards, I'm just selective of what I use.
    >
    > > sending a text message will not kill you. looking at a colour screen on

    > your
    > > phone will not kill you. The internet is not some dark place where bad
    > > things happen, it is in fact the best communications tool yet devised.

    > take
    > > the mask off and don't be afraid of someone seeing your face. Nokia have

    > yet
    > > to make a really useful phone that can do everything we need it to, let
    > > alone the stuff it should be doing, so just get a 6600, it's the closest
    > > they've got so far.

    >
    > I send text messages quite frequently, but I have no need for them on my

    new
    > phone. Why have it then?


    a) if you send them now, why wouldn't you in the future?
    b) they have been an integral part of EVERY GSM phone since the early 90's
    you will not find a phone without SMS.
    c)what if someone wants to send you one?

    > I can see NO advantage in a colour screen on something as trivial as a

    mobil
    > e phone, why pay for it then?


    colour screens are brighter, much easier to read (black on white, not black
    on grey) and much more versatile. if the manufaturers cintinue to make mono
    screens aswell, rather than concentraing production into s single type of
    device, then it all becomes cheaper, rather than trying to do both which
    means both types inevitibly cost more.

    > The only thing I need from Nokia (or anyone else for that matter) for this
    > phone is to phone. My other phones, that's another story.


    They don't make much in the way of voice only phones anymore, and as with
    colour screens above, once an improvement is made, it becomes unecconomic to
    produce both, so logically production continues with the more advanced.
    however if people continue to buy the older models then both are more
    expensive as a result.

    > Give me one good reason why I should 'move on' and buy the latest gimmicky
    > phone, while I could be spending my money on something useful.


    I agree much of the stuff is gimmicks. MMS is of no use when you consider
    the minor technical step it is away from full email, and the fact that the
    decent MMS phones, can also handle email anyway. but also there are some
    real technical advantages out there. bluetooth, colour screens, GPRS (for
    the next year til 3G).

    > Trying something just to try it is not an option: if I want to do

    something
    > like that, I'll just let my company pay for that.


    Not every one has the time or effort to be the first to use, and deal with
    the inevitable bugs in brand new stuff. but there is very little we can do
    today that we weren't doing last year, which means it's all been around long
    enough to be mainstream.

    Long term posters here will recognise my anti luddite ramblings. I'm not
    trying to be personally insulting here, but I find your request for 'as
    little features as possible' highly offensive. there are far too many people
    in this world trying to hold it back, when it's badly behind as it is. it
    doesn't just stop at cell phones. the entire globe suffers from lack of
    effort into improving the lives of the people on this planet. every day, a
    new technology, a new development is announced. but the ones that we can
    actually use today are all dim memories. the UK has a tiny portion of it's
    landline network enabled for ADSL use, but the technology has been available
    and working for many years. I can understand some delay in installation, but
    to have to wait years? when we are perfectly capable of building a new
    McDonalds restraunt from scratch in less than a week, I can see no reason
    for us to still be trying to bang rocks together just to communicate.

    Martin Crosbie





  6. #21
    Adam Greatrix
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:P7yrb.14708$2%[email protected]...
    > My point is that I know what can go wrong with online transactions, and

    that
    > I also know how very easy it is for malicious users to take advantage of
    > online systems. The same reason why I don't trust wireless stuff, credit
    > cards, and a lot of others stuff.


    For reference, a study done in the UK regarding consumer spending trends
    highlighted peoples concerns using online transactions. The article
    (although I forget the magazine name now) pointed out that on a
    per-transaction basis, offline (i.e. person to person, over the phone, etc)
    credit card fraud occurs in the order of 100 times more frequently than
    online credit card fraud.

    So, in short, if you make an offline transaction with your credit card,
    you're over a hundred times more likely to suffer than if you had done it
    online.

    It's a lot easier for somebody to take your credit card away from you and
    bill you for anything out of your sight, or for somebody to intercept your
    phone conversation, or for somebody to steal your card, than it is for
    somebody to break the 128bit SSL encryption used in the majority of online
    transactions.

    So there you go...

    Adam





  7. #22
    Princess Morgiah
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Adam Greatrix" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It's a lot easier for somebody to take your credit card away from you and
    > bill you for anything out of your sight, or for somebody to intercept your
    > phone conversation, or for somebody to steal your card, than it is for
    > somebody to break the 128bit SSL encryption used in the majority of online
    > transactions.
    >
    > So there you go...


    It's even harder for somebody to take your credit card from you when you
    only use it about 1 time a year. So there YOU go

    Princess Morgiah, always paying in cash.





  8. #23
    Princess Morgiah
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > a) if you send them now, why wouldn't you in the future?


    Not with this mobile, I'll do it with another one.

    > b) they have been an integral part of EVERY GSM phone since the early 90's
    > you will not find a phone without SMS.


    Agreed.

    > c)what if someone wants to send you one?


    I have no phone - suppose I had no mobile, how would people send me one
    then?

    > colour screens are brighter, much easier to read (black on white, not

    black
    > on grey) and much more versatile. if the manufaturers cintinue to make

    mono
    > screens aswell, rather than concentraing production into s single type of
    > device, then it all becomes cheaper, rather than trying to do both which
    > means both types inevitibly cost more.


    Ok, agreed, I just don't see the advantage for myself - when do I look at
    the screen of my mobile? It's just to see the number of the person calling
    me, that's all.

    <snipped>
    > > Give me one good reason why I should 'move on' and buy the latest

    gimmicky
    > > phone, while I could be spending my money on something useful.

    >
    > I agree much of the stuff is gimmicks. MMS is of no use when you consider
    > the minor technical step it is away from full email, and the fact that the
    > decent MMS phones, can also handle email anyway. but also there are some
    > real technical advantages out there. bluetooth, colour screens, GPRS (for
    > the next year til 3G).


    Again: bluetooth, not needed. GPRS - don't see the benefit.

    > > Trying something just to try it is not an option: if I want to do

    > something
    > > like that, I'll just let my company pay for that.

    >
    > Not every one has the time or effort to be the first to use, and deal with
    > the inevitable bugs in brand new stuff. but there is very little we can do
    > today that we weren't doing last year, which means it's all been around

    long
    > enough to be mainstream.
    >
    > Long term posters here will recognise my anti luddite ramblings. I'm not
    > trying to be personally insulting here, but I find your request for 'as
    > little features as possible' highly offensive. there are far too many

    people
    > in this world trying to hold it back, when it's badly behind as it is. it
    > doesn't just stop at cell phones. the entire globe suffers from lack of
    > effort into improving the lives of the people on this planet. every day, a
    > new technology, a new development is announced. but the ones that we can
    > actually use today are all dim memories. the UK has a tiny portion of it's
    > landline network enabled for ADSL use, but the technology has been

    available
    > and working for many years. I can understand some delay in installation,

    but
    > to have to wait years? when we are perfectly capable of building a new
    > McDonalds restraunt from scratch in less than a week, I can see no reason
    > for us to still be trying to bang rocks together just to communicate.


    Now I see where you're coming from, and I see your point: the world needs to
    evolve. But I do not want to be the one paying for that. Cars? Yes, I'll do
    anything to keep up with the latest development. Computers? I'm there.
    Mobiles? Count me out.

    Princess Morgiah





  9. #24
    Richard Colton
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    <much snippage>
    > Long term posters here will recognise my anti luddite ramblings.


    No ****! Really? Couldn't say I'd noticed! :-)

    > I'm not
    > trying to be personally insulting here, but I find your request for 'as
    > little features as possible' highly offensive.


    Cost vs performance. Why buy a Ferrari Enzo when all you need it for is to
    transport the groceries?

    <snip>

    Come on Martin, we don't all need bleeding edge technology, and I for one
    would rather not be an unpaid beta tester. If you want to go with the
    "latest & greatest" go for it, but don't criticise the rest of us that don't
    need, and would never use the vast majority of features that these vastly
    over-priced, new to market handsets feature.

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  10. #25
    Martin Crosbie
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?


    "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > <much snippage>
    > > Long term posters here will recognise my anti luddite ramblings.

    >
    > No ****! Really? Couldn't say I'd noticed! :-)
    >
    > > I'm not
    > > trying to be personally insulting here, but I find your request for 'as
    > > little features as possible' highly offensive.

    >
    > Cost vs performance. Why buy a Ferrari Enzo when all you need it for is

    to
    > transport the groceries?


    because even a supermarket has single women :-)

    > Come on Martin, we don't all need bleeding edge technology, and I for one
    > would rather not be an unpaid beta tester. If you want to go with the
    > "latest & greatest" go for it, but don't criticise the rest of us that

    don't
    > need, and would never use the vast majority of features that these vastly
    > over-priced, new to market handsets feature.


    It just annoys me the way nokia's prime feature seems to be xpress-on
    covers, rather than pushing the limits forward. a few years ago, nokia
    released 2 phones. the 7110, and the 3310. the 3310 did absolutely nothing
    but change colour, while the 7110 did everything, but even the super stylish
    click/swish couldn't stop the incredible sales that the 3310 had. almost
    everyone had one. at one point out of a dozen people in my team at work, 7
    had 3310/30's. it became so prolific, and shifted nokia's design team into
    the paris fashion show it is now, rather than the high tech future pushing
    things we could have.

    I blame my grandparents. every time I go to their house I have to retune
    their TV, or set the clock on their video. why do many people find new
    technology so repulsive? The world we have now is great, but there seems so
    much going wrong that slows it down, because many people make no effort to
    even try and push the envelope. how many times have you heard someone say
    they won't get a 3G mobile, because there is no-one to make a video call
    to - it's self defeating, since if everyone says that, then no-one will ever
    be able to.

    High costs don't help, and this is the manufacturers fault alone, or rather
    , the distributors. Corporate benefit rather than consumer benefit.most
    would rather make cheap crap than something really useful that actually
    benefits us. Logomanager, and oxygen both spend vast amounts of time effort
    and money on improving their products far more than Nokia themselves do. why
    can't every company work like this?

    Martin Crosbie





  11. #26
    F1
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?


    "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]...
    > "Adam Greatrix" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It's a lot easier for somebody to take your credit card away from you

    and
    > > bill you for anything out of your sight, or for somebody to intercept

    your
    > > phone conversation, or for somebody to steal your card, than it is for
    > > somebody to break the 128bit SSL encryption used in the majority of

    online
    > > transactions.
    > >
    > > So there you go...

    >
    > It's even harder for somebody to take your credit card from you when you
    > only use it about 1 time a year. So there YOU go
    >
    > Princess Morgiah, always paying in cash.




    Now I'm starting to see why the "Princess" in the name...





  12. #27
    Adam Greatrix
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Princess Morgiah" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]...
    > It's even harder for somebody to take your credit card from you when you
    > only use it about 1 time a year. So there YOU go


    Very true, but then when you do use it that once you still safer using it on
    the internet...

    Adam





  13. #28
    Adam Greatrix
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It just annoys me the way nokia's prime feature seems to be xpress-on
    > covers, rather than pushing the limits forward. a few years ago, nokia
    > released 2 phones. the 7110, and the 3310. the 3310 did absolutely nothing
    > but change colour, while the 7110 did everything, but even the super

    stylish
    > click/swish couldn't stop the incredible sales that the 3310 had. almost
    > everyone had one. at one point out of a dozen people in my team at work, 7
    > had 3310/30's. it became so prolific, and shifted nokia's design team into
    > the paris fashion show it is now, rather than the high tech future pushing
    > things we could have.


    Very true - I was sat in The Link buying a new phone with my girlfriend.
    There was a special offer on the 7110 which was £10 (still a pretty new
    phone at the time). Yet people seemed to be coming into the shop every few
    minutes to buy a 3310 for £50. The only two advantages I could spot were the
    covers and the slightly smaller size. Maybe that's what people wanted.

    > I blame my grandparents. every time I go to their house I have to retune
    > their TV, or set the clock on their video. why do many people find new
    > technology so repulsive? The world we have now is great, but there seems

    so
    > much going wrong that slows it down, because many people make no effort to
    > even try and push the envelope. how many times have you heard someone say
    > they won't get a 3G mobile, because there is no-one to make a video call
    > to - it's self defeating, since if everyone says that, then no-one will

    ever
    > be able to.


    Lol - yeah. My parents are the complete opposite in terms of technology. My
    Mum still needs help using the touch controls on the microwave (after 10
    years), while at the same time my Dad was tinkering with the encryption
    settings on his new wireless LAN.

    > High costs don't help, and this is the manufacturers fault alone, or

    rather
    > , the distributors. Corporate benefit rather than consumer benefit.most
    > would rather make cheap crap than something really useful that actually
    > benefits us. Logomanager, and oxygen both spend vast amounts of time

    effort
    > and money on improving their products far more than Nokia themselves do.

    why
    > can't every company work like this?


    Seconded!!

    Adam





  14. #29
    Adam Greatrix
    Guest

    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "G.T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Oh, BTW... I don't want to enter into a hard argue with you, but as you

    say
    > you're a software developper and you don't trust Web-based transactions (I
    > can understand it), mind you I'm an electronic engineer, and I trust my

    GSM.
    > And my car's electronics, but it isn't important.


    Who said that?

    I've worked professionally in web development, both as a lecturer and a
    consultant, for the better part of a decade. Originally (around 12 years
    ago) transactions were all done using unencrypted forms that any kiddie who
    could do a bit of scripting on Linux could intercept. Receipts, including
    the full credit card details, were often emailed back to the user. This
    information was often stored in the cache on the computer and in the client
    side email cache. Anyone cracking the person's mail password, or guessing
    it, or having access to their computer could get their details easily too.

    However, all that has changed. Receipts no longer contain most of the card
    number, form data is not cached, any data that is stored is set to expire
    within a very short time, and 128 bit encryption used in the Secure Socket
    Layer which has been around for half a decade makes it almost impossible to
    get at the original form data.

    It's so much easier to watch somebody typing in their PIN at a cash machine
    and swipe their card. It's a lot easier to break into someone's house. The
    arguments about people conning you or ripping you off apply to people over
    the phone and face to face as much as it does to people online.

    If somebody said they were a web developer and say they don't trust
    web-based transactions it's either because they haven't caught up to current
    technologies or standards and best practice procedures developed over the
    past 5 years for performing secure transactions, or they don't bother with
    them, or they do but are aware of some of the sites out there that don't
    bother with them. However, it's pretty easy to spot a good site from a bad
    site... even if it's just spotting when it's a secure site or not by looking
    for "https" or ".shtml" or the padlock displayed in I.E. In the same way
    it's pretty easy to spot a dubious looking shop or door to door salesman
    who's about to try to rip you off.

    Adam






  15. #30
    Richard Colton
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    Re: Can anybody recommend me a mobile?

    "Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > "Martin Crosbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > <much snippage>
    > > > Long term posters here will recognise my anti luddite ramblings.

    > >
    > > No ****! Really? Couldn't say I'd noticed! :-)
    > >
    > > > I'm not
    > > > trying to be personally insulting here, but I find your request for

    'as
    > > > little features as possible' highly offensive.

    > >
    > > Cost vs performance. Why buy a Ferrari Enzo when all you need it for is

    > to
    > > transport the groceries?

    >
    > because even a supermarket has single women :-)


    Now, on that one, I really can't argue. ;-)

    <snip>
    > It just annoys me the way nokia's prime feature seems to be xpress-on
    > covers, rather than pushing the limits forward. a few years ago, nokia
    > released 2 phones. the 7110, and the 3310. the 3310 did absolutely nothing
    > but change colour, while the 7110 did everything


    Including crashing on a regular basis, being riddled with bugs and having a
    slide mechanism that was extremely prone to damage and wear. Added to that,
    the price at the time was extremely high.

    >, but even the super stylish
    > click/swish couldn't stop the incredible sales that the 3310 had. almost
    > everyone had one. at one point out of a dozen people in my team at work, 7
    > had 3310/30's.


    And it worked well - the main design flaw being that the screen was way too
    close to the fascia making it prone to damage if dropped. On the other
    hand, if it was dropped and just the casing damaged, it was, and is a simple
    matter of changing the cover - not a simple matter on the 7110.

    > it became so prolific, and shifted nokia's design team into
    > the paris fashion show it is now, rather than the high tech future pushing
    > things we could have.


    Maybe, but it was, and still is cheap. It does what most people require and
    demonstrates what can be achieved (sales-wise) by providing what the buying
    public wants rather than a host of features that are useless to the vast
    majority of people.

    > I blame my grandparents.


    Steady! I'll tell them! ;-)

    > every time I go to their house I have to retune
    > their TV, or set the clock on their video. why do many people find new
    > technology so repulsive?


    I have the same problem with my parents. In some cases, it's simply because
    the technology is so inaccessible. You have to remember that the older
    generation were brought up in a world without electronic devices - life was
    simpler. The way many devices are designed hardly promotes easy usage.

    > The world we have now is great,


    Do you really believe that?

    > but there seems so
    > much going wrong that slows it down, because many people make no effort to
    > even try and push the envelope.


    Ever heard the saying "don't try to run before you can walk"?

    > how many times have you heard someone say
    > they won't get a 3G mobile, because there is no-one to make a video call
    > to - it's self defeating, since if everyone says that, then no-one will

    ever
    > be able to.


    No, it;ll come when the time is right, and when people can see tangible
    benefits of the technology. I've got a 3G phone, and at present it's of
    little use except as a means to make cheap phone calls. Video calling is in
    its infancy and the quality makes it nothing but a gimmick. Give it time,
    and the technology will mature. Try to reduce the development time too
    much, and problems will arise.

    > High costs don't help, and this is the manufacturers fault alone, or

    rather
    > , the distributors.


    Absolutely!

    > Corporate benefit rather than consumer benefit.most
    > would rather make cheap crap than something really useful that actually
    > benefits us. Logomanager, and oxygen both spend vast amounts of time

    effort
    > and money on improving their products far more than Nokia themselves do.

    why
    > can't every company work like this?


    Because most companies are profit driven. They will provide the barest
    minimum possible at the highest price that people will bear. Capitalism at
    its worst.

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