Had Enough: Finally Pulling VZW's Plug

"_KC_" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> > Larry, if he gets F&CA and is in a corporate market, he will have all
the
> > same coverage (and more because of Sprint) for no additional rate ... as
> > long as he doesn't roam more than 50% of the time. Of course, he can't
> use
> > a bag phone, but I don't think many people bother with those unless they
> > have a yacht
> >
> > Tom Veldhouse
>
>
> Sprints Free and Clear doesn't include all Verizon systems apparently.
Had
> several SPCS customers in lately that are on it and couldn't use their
phone
> sitting here in the store. Not saying its not a good plan, as I am not
that
> familiar with SPCS's plans but I have seen people say on some forums that
> the Free and Clear includes all of Verizon's systems, which is not true.
>
>
>
> KC

As Tom said in his follow up, there could be a number of reasons why they
weren't roaming on Verizon. Having an old PRL, the phone set to SPCS only,
etc. If you do get any further inquiries on F&CA, ask them what PRL version
they have, and what setting they have under their roaming options.

Bob::wondering whether KC is somewhere in NC?::

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In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Bob the Printer <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you do not like what I post, then avoid reading said posts!

If you're going to post, stop being an ass and actually read what other
people post before replying to them.

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In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Dan W. <[email protected]> wrote:

> My only question is, if they are so bad, why are you giving it to your
> mother to use!?!?!? My Mama's worth a lot more than the 175 ETF to
> me=)

Perhaps the service is significantly better where his mother lives.

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Dan W. wrote:
>
> My only question is, if they are so bad, why are you giving it to your
> mother to use!?!?!? My Mama's worth a lot more than the 175 ETF to
> me=)

I gather from the context of his statement that she lives, works and plays
in areas of town that have decent coverage ... so no need to pay the ETF if
she can use it.

Tom Veldhouse

"Bob the Printer" <[email protected]> wrote
> Some people are just never happy.... Hopping here, hopping there, etc.
>
> Have a good time with Sprint PCS now and rest assured that you'll not be
> missed in the least!

Well, no, he won't be missed. Thats because he said he *wasn't leaving*
the group. Steve's posts are some of the handful that I actually read.

-Quick

"Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "_KC_" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > > Larry, if he gets F&CA and is in a corporate market, he will have all
> the
> > > same coverage (and more because of Sprint) for no additional rate ...
as
> > > long as he doesn't roam more than 50% of the time. Of course, he
can't
> > use
> > > a bag phone, but I don't think many people bother with those unless
they
> > > have a yacht
> > >
> > > Tom Veldhouse
> >
> >
> > Sprints Free and Clear doesn't include all Verizon systems apparently.
> Had
> > several SPCS customers in lately that are on it and couldn't use their
> phone
> > sitting here in the store. Not saying its not a good plan, as I am not
> that
> > familiar with SPCS's plans but I have seen people say on some forums
that
> > the Free and Clear includes all of Verizon's systems, which is not true.
> >
> >
> >
> > KC
>
> As Tom said in his follow up, there could be a number of reasons why they
> weren't roaming on Verizon. Having an old PRL, the phone set to SPCS only,
> etc. If you do get any further inquiries on F&CA, ask them what PRL
version
> they have, and what setting they have under their roaming options.
>
> Bob::wondering whether KC is somewhere in NC?::


I thought that it could be the case of them not having the phone setup
correctly but there has been several different SPCS customers in here that I
know are on the Free and Clear plans and none would work in here, so I
figured chances they are all setup incorrectly was slim. I would be
interested to know if the Free and Clear includes this areas Verizon system.
I am in triad area of NC BTW.



KC

I actually never met a sales rep who really knew the particular's about the
service they sell. All they basically know is what's on the marketing
paperwork they receive. Other then that, asking technical questions you'll
get the deer in headlight stare. Anyway, most of the sales people are
kids....in the age range of 18-21...which means they already know
everything.


"Steve Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> As most of you in this newsgroup know, for the last year and a half I have
> been a very loyal fan of VZW. As of the last couple months, service
> quality has deteriorated to the point the service is virtually unusable
> over 50% of the time here in the northern side of Richmond, VA. Dropped
> calls, prolonged network outages, and data "blackouts" lasting days on
> end. Calls to VZW have gotten me nowhere, and now I'm not even getting a
> bill.
>
> I have spun off one of my lines for my mom to use and will do a Transfer
> of Liability on that line in a few weeks. My main line will go dark
> tomorrow, or whenever I can get through to someone at VZW who's willing to
> pull the plug.
>
> I've been test-driving Sprint PCS on a third-party employee plan for
> almost a month and have found the service to be a THOUSAND times better
> than what VZW has been offering for the last six months. Sprint's customer
> care has gotten to the point that they are more knowledgeable, more
> helpful, and more responsive than VZW's reps. The services being offered
> are priced far more affordably, coverage is comparable (around here, and,
> if you look at Free & Clear America, nearly everywhere else).
>
> Sprint PCS has better service offerings in the "enhanced services" arena
> too. Vision is working reliably now (it wasn't a year ago when I dropped
> Sprint PCS), and has great content, whereas VZW is still stuck in the
> stone ages with WAP over CSD, provided by, of all sources, MSN. Sprint PCS
> has made major improvements to their Picture Mail service, and, with the
> release of the phone I switched to tonight, they have Video Mail. And
> ReadyLink blows VZW's Push to Talk away. "Real" SMS launches soon,
> probably the first part of January, which is a much-wanted addition to the
> service lineup.
>
> The handsets are far more advanced, and, when taken care of (as most SPCS
> customers DO NOT) they perform just as well for just as long. I guess
> having an exclusive agreement with Sanyo helps, as in my experience these
> are the better PCS handsets.
>
> Anyhow, alas, I say goodbye to VZW. I'll still be in the group though,
> still dispensing knowledge or the occasional rant or rave. And, if VZW
> gets their act together, I'd entertain the idea of coming back in a year
> or two.
>
> Steve
>




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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:31:50 -0600, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Of course, he can't use
>a bag phone, but I don't think many people bother with those unless they
>have a yacht
>
>Tom Veldhouse
>
All the best people use AMPS, you know.....like me and President Bush
and the Chairman of the JCS....(c;


Larry W4CSC

NNNN

"_KC_" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snipped>
> I thought that it could be the case of them not having the phone setup
> correctly but there has been several different SPCS customers in here that
I
> know are on the Free and Clear plans and none would work in here, so I
> figured chances they are all setup incorrectly was slim. I would be
> interested to know if the Free and Clear includes this areas Verizon
system.
> I am in triad area of NC BTW.

KC, I think you might be a bit confused. SPCS offers two versions of F & C.
The standard version - F & C - is where customers can make and receive calls
whenever they are on SPCS's system, without regard of having just local
coverage. They can roam on whoever SPCS has roaming agreements in that
respective area.

Then there is an option one can buy called F&CA, which includes roaming at
no additional expense ... up to 50% of the minutes used in a month, whether
the roaming is on 800 Analog or CDMA & 1900 CDMA.

With previous PRL versions, we couldn't roam on 800 CDMA, as SPCS only
offered 1900 CDMA and 800 Analog roaming with very limited roaming on 1900
CDMA on another provider. For a long time, SPCS only sold 1900 CDMA single
band or 1900 CDMA / 800 Analog dual band phones. Now, most phones sold are
Dual Band / Tri mode.

With this new 10021 PRL, we can now digitally roam on both 800 & 1900 CDMA
in a hellava lot more places, where other providers offer 800 or 1900 CDMA
coverage.

Bob

In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> I actually never met a sales rep who really knew the particular's about the
> service they sell.

Ross Weber and Ryan Allen used to post in ACV a lot. Ryan was a Customer
Service Rep in Columbus, Ohio, and Ross was a retail sales rep in Minneapolis.
They're both knowledgeable. There are some Rat Shack employees (like Steve
Crow) who know their stuff. KC is an indirect VZW rep and I think he knows his
stuff too.

The best ones always do (and I'm not just talking about VZW).
There just aren't a lot of them.

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There's so much cycle rates with employees in NJ they work for a couple of
months and quit. The new hires are hired so quick, they barely understand
the service they are selling. I work for a cable company...I'm not a sales
person by any means, but I know the service inside and out. It's only
logical in my mind cause I care and most people don't give a hoot. Like
those 18-21 year old Verizon sales kids that buy nice clothes to sell
cellular service.

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I actually never met a sales rep who really knew the particular's about
the
> > service they sell.
>
> Ross Weber and Ryan Allen used to post in ACV a lot. Ryan was a Customer
> Service Rep in Columbus, Ohio, and Ross was a retail sales rep in
Minneapolis.
> They're both knowledgeable. There are some Rat Shack employees (like Steve
> Crow) who know their stuff. KC is an indirect VZW rep and I think he knows
his
> stuff too.
>
> The best ones always do (and I'm not just talking about VZW).
> There just aren't a lot of them.
>
> --
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> 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
> Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * [email protected]
>




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In alt.cellular.verizon Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> There's so much cycle rates with employees in NJ they work for a couple of
> months and quit. The new hires are hired so quick, they barely understand
> the service they are selling. I work for a cable company...I'm not a sales
> person by any means, but I know the service inside and out. It's only
> logical in my mind cause I care and most people don't give a hoot. Like
> those 18-21 year old Verizon sales kids that buy nice clothes to sell
> cellular service.

There's a lot of that all over. I'm just saying that there *are* diamonds
hidden amongst all of the big clumps of coal.

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Steve, could you please tell me in which areas Sprint is better then VZW.

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Bob the Printer <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Some people are just never happy.... Hopping here, hopping there, etc.
> >
> > Have a good time with Sprint PCS now and rest assured that you'll not be
> > missed in the least!
>
> I really don't know what the hell *your* issue is. Steve has had *major*
> problems with Verizon recently, and if you actually took the time to read
> some of his posts you'd realize that.
>
> Since he works for Rat Shack, he sells both Sprint and Verizon, so Sprint
is
> the obvious other choice for him, and it sounds like he's done some
research.
>
> There ARE some places where Sprint's service *is* better than Verizon's.
>
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>

Yes...rare and few which only gives the company a bad impression. Soon when
all cellular services are the same quality is what I can't wait for. It's
bound to happen that Cingular and others will be just as good as Verizon's
network reliability. This is not to say Verizon's network is the best...I am
plagued with dropped calls, dropped packets and noise but it's better then
the other's for now.

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In alt.cellular.verizon Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> > There's so much cycle rates with employees in NJ they work for a couple
of
> > months and quit. The new hires are hired so quick, they barely
understand
> > the service they are selling. I work for a cable company...I'm not a
sales
> > person by any means, but I know the service inside and out. It's only
> > logical in my mind cause I care and most people don't give a hoot. Like
> > those 18-21 year old Verizon sales kids that buy nice clothes to sell
> > cellular service.
>
> There's a lot of that all over. I'm just saying that there *are* diamonds
> hidden amongst all of the big clumps of coal.
>
> --
> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
> 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
> Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * [email protected]
>




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And so is WI.

Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

> Steven J Sobol wrote:
>
>>There ARE some places where Sprint's service *is* better than
>>Verizon's.
>
>
> Minnesota is still one of those places!
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>