Have you heard these New SuperTones For Sprint PCS subscribers?

Right..
I guess the concern is that if it is illegal file sharing,
the courts would probably nab everybodies phone numbers
Who knows from there, how it would all end up.

Any any other legal Real Tone sites with good content besides
http://primetones.com?
Franklin





"Rachel Breitenfeld" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ZUzYb.210712$U%5.1186967@attbi_s03...
> As far as I know. I've downloaded 5 or so and it hasn't asked me for
> another donation. They might want another donation in a year though.
>
> Rachel
> "Franklin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Rachel
> > let me get this straight,
> > You mean I could download like 10,000 ringtones and I would never have
to
> > pay anything else ever?
> >
> > Is that what you're saying?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Rachel Breitenfeld" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news9gYb.334047$xy6.1660555@attbi_s02...
> > > It's just a one-time donation. Then you're free to use it as much as
> you
> > > want.
> > >
> > > Rachel
> > > "Franklin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >The webmaster there is supposed to be working very hard at
> > > > >getting approval from artists for every DL they offer
> > > > >publically.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like distributing the artists work before getting permission
to
> > me.
> > > > That works for some people I guess.
> > > > They do have good forums but I'd hate to get into trouble
downloading
> > > stuff,
> > > > they're working hard to someday get, besides five dollars per
download
> > is
> > > > to steep
> > > >
> > > > >O/Siris
> > > > >I work for SprintPCS
> > > > >I *don't* speak for them.
> > > >
> > > > O/Siris
> > > > What do you do for Sprint?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "O/Siris" <0sîrîs@sprîntpcs.côm> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > In article <7sZXb.5730$tL3.1522
> > > > @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > > > [email protected] says...
> > > > > Thanks for the tip on 3Gupload.
> > > > > Are the files on 3G upload legal???????
> > > > >
> > > > > They said I had to make a donation of 5 bucks or something if I
> wanted
> > > to
> > > > > download a file.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You do in order to access the download "locker" on your PC.
> > > > But once you've placed a DL in that "locker," you can
> > > > access it on your phone and DL it.
> > > >
> > > > The webmaster there is supposed to be working very hard at
> > > > getting approval from artists for every DL they offer
> > > > publically.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -+-
> > > > RØß
> > > > O/Siris
> > > > I work for SprintPCS
> > > > I *don't* speak for them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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› See More: Have you heard these New SuperTones For Sprint PCS subscribers?

Jen,
Good question,
I don't know about selling your number, but the really sacry thing here is,
what if the publishers come in and demand all of the phone numbers of
people sharing files that don't belong to them.

Ya know kinda like what the RIAA's doing to file traders on the p2p's huge
fines
YUCK!

I guess we'd be easy pickings, music publishers could get our cell phone
numbers through the courts without much trouble
I'd try to get the CEO to promise he would never disclose our numbers to the
publishers, record companies etc..
Do you think he would be willing to guarntee us that?


If so, being able to download 10,000 ringtones for 5 bucks might be a
great deal for fearless folks who aren't concerned with copyright issues
Franklin


"Jen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Has anyone ever had any trouble with 3GUpload doing things like
> selling your email or phone number? I can't find any privacy info on
> the site.
>
>
> (please send all replies via the newsgroup)
>
> Dim the Lights & Save the Stars:
> http://www.darksky.org/

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Jen,
> Good question,
> I don't know about selling your number, but the really sacry thing here i=
s,
> what if the publishers come in and demand all of the phone numbers of
> people sharing files that don't belong to them.
>=20
> Ya know kinda like what the RIAA's doing to file traders on the p2p's hug=
e
> fines
> YUCK!
>=20
> I guess we'd be easy pickings, music publishers could get our cell phone
> numbers through the courts without much trouble
> I'd try to get the CEO to promise he would never disclose our numbers to =
the
> publishers, record companies etc..
> Do you think he would be willing to guarntee us that?
>=20
>=20
> If so, being able to download 10,000 ringtones for 5 bucks might be a
> great deal for fearless folks who aren't concerned with copyright issues
> Franklin
>=20

I'm confused about the fear here. No one is "sharing" ringtones. =20
You have the ability to submit them, and the site will publish it if=20
it won't violate copyright. The web master expends a lot of effort=20
to meet those requirements.

Since you, as a user, are not doing the actual file sharing, I doubt=20
the users are in any legal danger.

I *will*, however, ask the webmaster to have a more explicit privacy=20
policy posted there.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

>Since you, as a user, are not doing the actual file sharing, I doubt
>the users are in any legal danger.

When you can say for sure PLEASE let us know

Better yet have the webmaster you speak of let us know that we are in no
danger with neither record company or publisher.

I'm positive he will not/can not make such a good faith statement.

Again why take the risk:
Just don't give your phone number out to FREE/Donation sites to reduce your
exposure!

Franklin



"0siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Jen,
> Good question,
> I don't know about selling your number, but the really sacry thing here
is,
> what if the publishers come in and demand all of the phone numbers of
> people sharing files that don't belong to them.
>
> Ya know kinda like what the RIAA's doing to file traders on the p2p's huge
> fines
> YUCK!
>
> I guess we'd be easy pickings, music publishers could get our cell phone
> numbers through the courts without much trouble
> I'd try to get the CEO to promise he would never disclose our numbers to
the
> publishers, record companies etc..
> Do you think he would be willing to guarntee us that?
>
>
> If so, being able to download 10,000 ringtones for 5 bucks might be a
> great deal for fearless folks who aren't concerned with copyright issues
> Franklin
>

I'm confused about the fear here. No one is "sharing" ringtones.
You have the ability to submit them, and the site will publish it if
it won't violate copyright. The web master expends a lot of effort
to meet those requirements.

Since you, as a user, are not doing the actual file sharing, I doubt
the users are in any legal danger.

I *will*, however, ask the webmaster to have a more explicit privacy
policy posted there.

--
RØß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> When you can say for sure PLEASE let us know
>=20
> Better yet have the webmaster you speak of let us know that we are in n=
o
> danger with neither record company or publisher.
>=20
> I'm positive he will not/can not make such a good faith statement.
>=20

Frank, go look for yourself. Find a case, just one, where a user of=20
a site, a user not actually and physically sharing the=20
files/downloads, has ever been prosecuted or litigated for use of=20
such a site.

Just one.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

Your question doesn't make a lot of sense

Why would someone want to become a user by giving you her telephone number
then not ever USE the service to get the copyrighted material to her phone.
That might be a member but that is not a user
The definition of user would be anyone making available or downloading to
their phone files for trade that they did not own or have a license too

These poor people that are signing up for these scams have no earthly idea
that they are commiting copyright infringement in most cases.

Look at all of the people the RIAA has sued
..
There used to be prople saying go ahead and get these files it's ok really
it is we promise no one is ever going to do anything to you.

Go ahead get all you want. (That was the mp3 scene just a few months back)

Tell that to the people that are paying huge fines. Where have you been the
past year?
It's been in all the papers,magazines etc..

I guess the real question is
Are you, yourself, condoning copyright infringement?
And even more imporatnt, how would it make you feel 6 months from now when
this all plays out to know that a lot of people might get hurt because of
lack of understanding with regard to FREE/Donation sites?


remember the scary thing here is you want be there to protect these people
when they get the call

Again the best policy is Not To Give Your Phone Number To These
FREE/DONATION sites

If they ask for your phone number you may be exposing yourself to problems
down the road.

Franklin


"O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> When you can say for sure PLEASE let us know
>
> Better yet have the webmaster you speak of let us know that we are in no
> danger with neither record company or publisher.
>
> I'm positive he will not/can not make such a good faith statement.
>

Frank, go look for yourself. Find a case, just one, where a user of
a site, a user not actually and physically sharing the
files/downloads, has ever been prosecuted or litigated for use of
such a site.

Just one.

--
RØß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Why would someone want to become a user by giving you her telephone numbe=
r
> then not ever USE the service to get the copyrighted material to her phon=
e.
> That might be a member but that is not a user
> The definition of user would be anyone making available or downloading to
> their phone files for trade that they did not own or have a license too
>=20
> These poor people that are signing up for these scams have no earthly ide=
a
> that they are commiting copyright infringement in most cases.
>=20

The end user is not at all guilty of copyright infringement,=20
Franklin, and that's why I'm challenging you to find even one case. =20
If so many users, as you allege, are being sued for this, why are you=20
unable to provide even one example?

I already know the answer: because the end user isn't doing anything=20
wrong. If *anyone* is culpable, it's the site itself. The user=20
isn't sharing or distributing files. The site *is* doing so.

Speaking strictly for 3GUpload, the voluntary donations are used for=20
(among other things) any fees the copyright holders may demand for=20
distribution of these partial works. And if a holder or their=20
agent/representative denies that permission, the download is removed.

From a P2P service like Kazaa, where the user isn't just downloading,=20
but also distributing/sharing, yes, the user faces legal action. At=20
3GUpload, not at all.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

According to the letter of the law this is NOT correct.

if you BUY an illegally produced cd under the pretences of it being real.
are you legally responsible for copyright infringement.

YES

will you get HELD legally responsible (IE penalized) almost certaintly not
but with how twisted the RIAA and others have gotten laws etc.. passed. who
knows in 5 years time.

EITHER to the letter of the law YOU COULD BE.

to me the DMCA is the most illogical and WRONG law every made regarding
intellectual property rights. to me it is what I would call (although not
technically) WRONG & unconstitutional.

it has the potential to COMPLETELY eliminate public domain (almost
eliminated already by the)

all they have to do is copy protect it. even the SIMPLEST copy protection.
and even 500 years from now if the DMCA persists it would TECHNICALLY be
illegal to do ANYTHING with that file or material that is not licensed since
it would circumvent the copy protection.

look at the latest 321 judgement. the judge is a freaking asshole and I am
writing a letter to her saying as such. she is saying yes we have fair use
right to backup our dvd's but no its illegal to make any software to
actually DO this. GRRRRRR

So will an end user get into trouble. technically yes.

MOST of the people being SUED are END USERS.

they say 800 song shares or more. do you know how EASY it is to share 800
songs the browsers used to by DEFAULT share every mp3 on your computer. I
know many people who legally own over 800 songs EASY on their machines.

they claim to only be suing the "suppliers"

I do not call 12 year old kids and 80 yeasr old grandmoms "suppliers"

Right now your probably safe if you only download and do not upload IE
share. but that means sharing is dead since eventually no one will be
sharing (and that is their objective)

but in the future if sharers "get around" the suing etc.. they CAN and
probably will eventally target the downloaders.

so its not a bad idea to "be safe than sorry" in your practices. giving out
your phone number is not smart regardless of any threat from the RIAA etc..

I sure am not going to give my cell number to just anyone. thats for sure.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

> The end user is not at all guilty of copyright infringement,
> Franklin, and that's why I'm challenging you to find even one case.
> If so many users, as you allege, are being sued for this, why are you
> unable to provide even one example?

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> So will an end user get into trouble. technically yes.
>=20
> MOST of the people being SUED are END USERS.
>=20

You still haven't addressed the point I raised. Although you speak=20
to it, you haven't yet showed a single example of an end user sued=20
who not *also* using the service to share files, *as well as*=20
download them.

None of the 300+ people were simply passive downloaders (aside from=20
the fact that more than one of them may have been wrongly accused). =20
All were downloading *and* sharing.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

That's just the point let's keep it that way

To keep from possibly ever being SUED

Just don't give your phone nymber to the free/donation sites
It's just that simple



I am exposed by giving my phone number to FREE/Donation Sites
Exposed for downloading Copyrighted Images, Ringtones etc....

I am less Exposed IF I don't give these sites my phone number.

Shouldn't Have to anyway. What does a FREE/Donation site NEED with MY Phone
Number?

Are they going to call me up?
For What?


"O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> So will an end user get into trouble. technically yes.
>
> MOST of the people being SUED are END USERS.
>

You still haven't addressed the point I raised. Although you speak
to it, you haven't yet showed a single example of an end user sued
who not *also* using the service to share files, *as well as*
download them.

None of the 300+ people were simply passive downloaders (aside from
the fact that more than one of them may have been wrongly accused).
All were downloading *and* sharing.

--
RØß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > So will an end user get into trouble. technically yes.
> >
> > MOST of the people being SUED are END USERS.
> >
>
> You still haven't addressed the point I raised. Although you speak
> to it, you haven't yet showed a single example of an end user sued
> who not *also* using the service to share files, *as well as*
> download them.
>
> None of the 300+ people were simply passive downloaders (aside from
> the fact that more than one of them may have been wrongly accused).
> All were downloading *and* sharing.

and sharing more than 800 MP3 files at a time, which is the RIAA's
current cut off. Although the case can be made that some folks could be
"innocently" sharing files, as Kazaa if one sets it up incorrectly may
share your whole hard drive. Indeed computer security experts have
demonstrated find personal MS Money files being shared, which I would
presume is never knowlingly done.

In article <j4D%[email protected]>,
"Franklin" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am exposed by giving my phone number to FREE/Donation Sites
> Exposed for downloading Copyrighted Images, Ringtones etc....
>
> I am less Exposed IF I don't give these sites my phone number.

They can trivially obtain your IP # 69.68.229.11
and then get a court to have Earthlink tell them who was using it at any
given point in time.

So you are fully exposed at all times regardless of precautions you are
herein advocating.

In article <j4D%[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> I am exposed by giving my phone number to FREE/Donation Sites
> Exposed for downloading Copyrighted Images, Ringtones etc....
>=20

Only if there's something to hide from. You haven't proven that=20
there's anything to fear on this particular aspect.

There is no basis for fearing action from RIAA. Not for downloading=20
from one of these sites. Plus, RIAA isn't going after downloaders. =20
It's going after those who are sharing.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

Right,
So you're saying because they haven't gone after anyone in the past, we have
nothing to worry about downloading copyrighted content from your website?

Great!
That's really good news.

Thanks everyone for commenting especially O/Siris with your strong posistion
it's clear there isn't anything to be concerned about.
Franklin

"O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In article <j4D%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> I am exposed by giving my phone number to FREE/Donation Sites
> Exposed for downloading Copyrighted Images, Ringtones etc....
>

Only if there's something to hide from. You haven't proven that
there's anything to fear on this particular aspect.

There is no basis for fearing action from RIAA. Not for downloading
from one of these sites. Plus, RIAA isn't going after downloaders.
It's going after those who are sharing.

--
RØß
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <bhZ%[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Right,
> So you're saying because they haven't gone after anyone in the past, we h=
ave
> nothing to worry about downloading copyrighted content from your website?
>=20

I'm saying there's no legal basis. Nor have you, in all your=20
protestations about jack-booted legal thugs, provided any yourself.
--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them