Verizon is spying ...

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Proconsul <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| > Why get into a hissy fit over what is so common. Just run a good spyware
| > remover and be safe....
|
| If you don't mind spyware, that's fine.

So far, I've seen nothing that shows me that any "spyware" exists that came
from Verizon - I checked all the "stuff" reported and found none....

| I'm surprised that you can't figure out why people are upset about this.
It's
| the principle that someone is installing software that I don't want to be
| installed on my computer. Even an attempt is enough to make me not want to
| do business with a particular company.

Over-reaction, IMO....! I don't like it either, but I just run SpyBot and
AdAware and keep on trucking......

In the context of this thread, there is still NO credible, checkable
evidence that suggest that Verizon has been guilty of foisting spyware upon
us all - just a lot of "The Sky Is Falling" conjecture....

There's nothing for you to be "surprised" about.......

| > Clearly you didn't see that his "irony switch" was on - he was
demonstrating
| > the absurdity of the claims by being even more absurd.....
|
| So you're absolutely sure it's not VZW's marketing department that wants
to
| track who's using the CD?

I can find NO credible evidence to support such a claim....and I have
discounted it. I wonder why so many are so determined to believe what can't
be substantiated...

| > Please - he posted "conjecture", "unfounded suspicion"
|
| Others have confirmed that the noptify.exe program does get installed.

"Others" have certainly so reported - I repeated what they say they did and
found nothing.....this takes us back to that pesky "credible" thingee again
as opposed to "claims" made on the Internet....

| > "paranoia"......he tracked down nothing. What would Verizon gain by
enraging
| > their customer base in such a manner. They can get all sorts of usage
date
| > by simply analyzing connection and location records.....!
|
| You're assuming the marketoons have clue. Most marketoons don't. Most
| marketoons only give a damn about pushing their message in as many
people's
| faces as possible, and don't care who they irritate. Which alternate
reality
| have *you* been living in?

I live in the real world - based on what you post, it appears to me that you
live in the real world too, which is why I'm surprised you are so williing
to defend baseless comments......

I "assumed" nothing. I repeated what was reported - I found it to be
bogus.....

| > | The real pisser in this is that Vzw might not have had knowledge of
this
| > and
| > | the third party disk creator might have placed the code their on their
own
| > | volition.
| >
| > Nonsense.....
|
| Well, now you just sound like an idiot. It wasn't Verizon, but it wasn't a
| third party either?

You are the one who wants to appear to be the idiot - I'm a little surprised
that you would stoop to name-calling over an issue like this one that is so
clearly bogus. I have repeatedly stated that I did what the complainers did
and found nothing! What part of NOTHING are you having a problem with? Let
me help: If one couldn't find any evidence that such a spyware file was
present, then NOBODY did it! That qualifies as "nonsense" in the real world
any where, any time.....

PC

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"Michael L. Arends" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| >>cookies aren't "spyware"....
|
| Actually this is FALSE. There IS such a thing as 'tracking' cookies.
| and they're used MUCH more than you would think.

Let's not get to carried away - tracking cookies are NOT spyware in the
context under discussion in this thread.....

PC

"tom ronson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| "Proconsul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| news:rY05c.2648$F91.829@lakeread05...
|
| > Why get into a hissy fit over what is so common. Just run a good spyware
| > remover and be safe....
|
| I'm not sure that 'hissy' aptly describes my responce --- tho I find what
| appears to be fairly well researched issue to be of interest.
|
| > However, the notion that Verizon would do this is nothing more than wild
| > imagination without, as yet, even one shred of proof.....
|
| Well, the guy with the web site installed SW and then saw his firewall
| asking for permision to phone home. I'm interested that you're so
dismissive
| of the guy's observations. And heck, it looks to me there's at least a
| "shred" of proof that something occured.

I repeated his actions and found nothing - I'm not "buying" it.....

If you can't check and verify, then it remains true that there is no
credible "proof" available to support the OP's claims....

| > cookies aren't "spyware"....
|
| Many aren't ---- and why Ad-Aware leaves most of them alone.
|
| > Clearly you didn't see that his "irony switch" was on - he was
| demonstrating
| > the absurdity of the claims by being even more absurd.....
|
| Sure I did --- doesn't mean that I asrcribe to his position, tho.
|
| > Please - he posted "conjecture", "unfounded suspicion" and
| > "paranoia"......he tracked down nothing.
|
| Why you're so dismissive of the guy's observations is unclear to me ---
but
| it's your machine so do what you will.

For the Nnnnth time - I repeated his actions as reported and found
nothing...no file, nothing. Ain't nothing there....

My machine, which is behind a good firewall and uses Norton Anti-Virus, is
clean and will remain clean. The use of SpyBot and AdAware are added
precautions - I'm dismissive of the guy's observations because they can't be
replicated AND, even if true, could be easily defeated using proper software
and proper procedures. That having been said, IF his claims were true, then
Verizon would be taking massive heat everywhere - and they aren't.....

| >What would Verizon gain by enraging their customer base in such a manner.
|
| sites visited, cc culling, identity information, preferences --- etc, etc,
| etc --- and if there's no value to data like that then why do data miners
| like doubleclick exist?

For obvious reasons - you counter them with sensible precautions. All you
have said begs the question that the original report can't be verified....

I still can't imagine why Verizon would want any of the info you mention -
usage data is useful to them, but they don't need "spyware" to get it.......

| >They can get all sorts of usage date by simply analyzing connection and
| location records.....!
|
| Ya, and that's the phone you're getting service off of, not your computer
| which has nothing to do with Vzw providing a platform to place a call
from.
| They don't know what you're saying to the party you're calling --- just
| where you are, roughly, and that you called xxx-xxx-xxxx for x amount of
| minutes --- nothing more.

More galloping paranoia......

| But let me ask you something ---- Jet Blue and Northwest Air both handed
| over piles of raw passenger data to NASA for TSA purposes --- including
| names, cc #'s and the like. Both companies denied the charge as
"conjecture"
| and "unfounded suspicion", repeatedly, right until the box got too tight
to
| deny it anymore. Does Jet Blue's and Northwest's initial denials mean the
| incident didn't happen --- or just that they hadn't gotten enough proof
| stacked against them, yet.

You can't segue from there to Verizon - without some PROOF!

| Same with real.com several years ago, who ultimately was called for data
| mining of their customers -- despite their denials of data mining.
|
| Blow it off as inconsequential, but you're pooh-poohing the observations
of
| a user who saw something change after he put a Vzw CD in his machine seems
| to be overly cavalier to me.

Where is the PROOF!!!

| Good luck with your computers!!

Mine are fine - even though I'm not paranoid......

PC

"Proconsul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Where is the PROOF!!!

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...al/8243332.htm

Where a spokesperson from Vzw says it's true.





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Worse yet, the spying is continuing.

Cell merger <[email protected]> wrote:
> Worse yet, the spying is continuing.

Shut up, Phillipe. Once again, you blather on about Verizon and you've never
been a Verizon customer...

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"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Cell merger <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Worse yet, the spying is continuing.
>
> Shut up, Phillipe. Once again, you blather on about Verizon and you've
never
> been a Verizon customer...

We can only hope Steven ... <eg>

Hey Phillipe, I hear Verizon is giving away a full year's coverage of
unlimited minutes, along with a Samsung I700, no contract, and Verizon's
president's home phone number ... Go fer it!

Bob