Another Corporate Disgrace

I read somewhere ( I think in this group) someone said that they are still
building their network out and my 2005 they should be turning a profit. I
know that in my address book alone with my friends and everyone in my office
that out of 82 people I know with a cell phone 74 of them are with Sprint
PCS. I remember back when I first got Sprint PCS in 1998 and no one I knew
had them. I believe 2005 will be a great year for Sprint PCS as well as
Sprint as a company.
"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Antonio" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Very True! I have Sprint :LTD, Sprint LDD, Sprint PCS and Sprint
> > Fastconnect DSL. For those that don't know! LTD is the landline
service,
> > LDD is the long distance division the rest I am sure everyone can figure
it
> > out. Sprint profits are larger and larger every year. As one division
goes
> > up or down so does another one and it all balances out.
>
>
> Not quite. PCS has been consistantly down .

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Antonio" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I read somewhere ( I think in this group) someone said that they are still
> building their network out and my 2005 they should be turning a profit.

Thats if you believe the corporate press releases. Given how far off
they have been in their predictions the last three years, I wouldn't
count on it.

"Antonio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I read somewhere ( I think in this group) someone said that they are still
> building their network out and my 2005 they should be turning a profit. I
> know that in my address book alone with my friends and everyone in my
office
> that out of 82 people I know with a cell phone 74 of them are with Sprint
> PCS. I remember back when I first got Sprint PCS in 1998 and no one I
knew
> had them. I believe 2005 will be a great year for Sprint PCS as well as
> Sprint as a company.

Don't try to convince Robert (Phil) that they are in better financial shape-
it falls on deaf ears. His lack of business knowledge makes him believe
that the losses each quarter are due to poor business management, and not
because they are expanding the business. He claims that they will be out of
business by the end of the year, if that tells you anything.

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Antonio" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I read somewhere ( I think in this group) someone said that they are
still
> > building their network out and my 2005 they should be turning a profit.
>
> Thats if you believe the corporate press releases. Given how far off
> they have been in their predictions the last three years, I wouldn't
> count on it.

They've been closer in their predictions than you have- you said they'd be
out of business by the end of the year.

"Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Re: Another Corporate Disgrace

Group: alt.cellular.sprintpcs Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 8:14pm (EST+5)
From: [email protected] (Robert M.)
In article <[email protected]>,
(original post)

Isaiah Beard wrote:
Not only that, but while Phillipe makes it seem that Sprint is bumbling
in the wireline sector, the truth us that nearly ALL ILECs are losing
market share.

(Phillipe's Quoted Post)
Isaiah Beard wrote:
Not only that, but while Michael makes it seem that Sprint is bumbling
in the wireline sector, the truth us that nearly ALL ILECs are losing
market share.

Why did you change the name when you quoted Isaiah?

That's an easy one to answer Eric. It's because Phillipe does it all the
time ...

Bob

"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Antonio" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > I read somewhere ( I think in this group) someone said that they are
> still
> > > building their network out and my 2005 they should be turning a
profit.
> >
> > Thats if you believe the corporate press releases. Given how far off
> > they have been in their predictions the last three years, I wouldn't
> > count on it.
>
> They've been closer in their predictions than you have- you said they'd be
> out of business by the end of the year.

Yes Phillipe, would you like to see a recap of your prior quotes on that
issue?

Bob

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "The Supreme Enchanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > That's nothing to what Steve Jobs made last year from apple or even what
> > Michael Eisner made send he joined Disney (over $1 billion).
>
> AHEM. Steve Jobs got $1 salary last year (2003) and zero bonus.
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/040311/1427000987_2.html


Look at what he made in previous years, MILLIONS in bonuses.

That's also not including his stock options, he probabaly owns so much
stock that just the sale of a fraction of his stock is worth millions.

Starpower blows as well.

I agree, POTs isn't a money maker and hasn't been for more than 10+ years or
so.
Wireless is still making money but, it's having trouble making money as
well.
Cell Sites aren't cheap, neither is spectrum.

I am not sure *HOW* Nextel is doing it with free incoming calls.
I am sure the business part is where they make their money but, it's a far
cry from what it used to be in the 80's and 55cents a min for peak for local
calling and no other frills besides bundled minutes. It's tough to make a $$
nowadays.

Scotty


"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Robert M. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Not only that, but while Michael makes it seem that Sprint is bumbling
> >> in the wireline sector, the truth us that nearly ALL ILECs are losing
> >> market share.
> >
> > So if another ILEC is losing market share, that makes Sprint good?
>
> No, it just makes the wireline results rather meaningless. Everyone is
> giving away the farm. Here in Southern Cali, both SBC and Verizon are
offering
> their respective unlimited local/long-distance plans, in some markets even
> for business customers who normally spend a lot more. Sprint, ATT and MCI
all
> have similar offerings. No one is making money on POTS anymore.
>
> Calling Sprint wireline "good" is a stretch. Having had to deal with ILECs
on a
> regular basis for years, I can say that they all suck in equal amounts.
>
> Even some of the wireline CLECs that used to be very customer-responsive
(XO
> in particular; I don't even want to go into detail about my problems with
> them) now suck horribly.
>
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"Scott Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Starpower blows as well.
>
> I agree, POTs isn't a money maker and hasn't been for more than 10+ years
or
> so.
> Wireless is still making money but, it's having trouble making money as
> well.
> Cell Sites aren't cheap, neither is spectrum.
>
> I am not sure *HOW* Nextel is doing it with free incoming calls.
> I am sure the business part is where they make their money but, it's a far
> cry from what it used to be in the 80's and 55cents a min for peak for
local
> calling and no other frills besides bundled minutes. It's tough to make a
$$
> nowadays.
>

The fact that Nextel is posting some pretty impressive spreadsheet numbers
would lead one to believe that free incoming is having any kind of effect.
You'd think that someone else would have picked up on that by now.

"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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>=20
>=20
> ... Nextel is posting some pretty impressive spreadsheet numbers
>=20
>=20
>=20
Enron and Parmalat did so, too, for a while. :-)
(Just kidding, of course.)
---JRC---

"John R. Copeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> ... Nextel is posting some pretty impressive spreadsheet numbers
>
>
>
Enron and Parmalat did so, too, for a while. :-)
(Just kidding, of course.)

good comeback

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "The Supreme Enchanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > That's nothing to what Steve Jobs made last year from apple or even what
> > > Michael Eisner made send he joined Disney (over $1 billion).
> >
> > AHEM. Steve Jobs got $1 salary last year (2003) and zero bonus.
> >
> > http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/040311/1427000987_2.html
>
>
> Look at what he made in previous years, MILLIONS in bonuses.


When a company does good (Jobs saved Apple after all) a CEO deserves
bonuses. When a company doesn't do well (i.e. Apple and Sprint last
year) a CEO doesn't desrve bonuses.

Jobs got no bonus for 2003, Lauer did. Did you get a bonus of 30x your
annual salary for 2003? Did you get any bonus?

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
>
> > "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > "The Supreme Enchanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's nothing to what Steve Jobs made last year from apple or even
what
> > > > Michael Eisner made send he joined Disney (over $1 billion).
> > >
> > > AHEM. Steve Jobs got $1 salary last year (2003) and zero bonus.
> > >
> > > http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/040311/1427000987_2.html
> >
> >
> > Look at what he made in previous years, MILLIONS in bonuses.
>
>
> When a company does good (Jobs saved Apple after all) a CEO deserves
> bonuses. When a company doesn't do well (i.e. Apple and Sprint last
> year) a CEO doesn't desrve bonuses.
>
> Jobs got no bonus for 2003, Lauer did. Did you get a bonus of 30x your
> annual salary for 2003? Did you get any bonus?

You do understand stock options, don't you? The only way he clears 1.3
million is if the price doubles before he cashes them in. And if the price
goes down, he gets squat.

"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> > When a company does good (Jobs saved Apple after all) a CEO deserves
> > bonuses. When a company doesn't do well (i.e. Apple and Sprint last
> > year) a CEO doesn't desrve bonuses.
> >
> > Jobs got no bonus for 2003, Lauer did. Did you get a bonus of 30x your
> > annual salary for 2003? Did you get any bonus?
>
> You do understand stock options, don't you? The only way he clears 1.3
> million is if the price doubles before he cashes them in. And if the price
> goes down, he gets squat.

Don't forget Steve's other jobs (no pun intended). He also owns an
animation stuido (is it Pixar?). I'm sure he gets paid well though
them.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > > When a company does good (Jobs saved Apple after all) a CEO deserves
> > > bonuses. When a company doesn't do well (i.e. Apple and Sprint last
> > > year) a CEO doesn't desrve bonuses.
> > >
> > > Jobs got no bonus for 2003, Lauer did. Did you get a bonus of 30x your
> > > annual salary for 2003? Did you get any bonus?
> >
> > You do understand stock options, don't you? The only way he clears 1.3
> > million is if the price doubles before he cashes them in. And if the price
> > goes down, he gets squat.
>
> Don't forget Steve's other jobs (no pun intended). He also owns an
> animation stuido (is it Pixar?). I'm sure he gets paid well though
> them.

You still haven't idnetified any worker bees at SprintPCS got got any
bonus for 2003, let alone 30 times their annual salary.