Major SprintPCS price Increase !!

"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I agree with the policy being , but what this may be signaling is the end of
> subsidized phones as we know it. Other than AT&T, nobody saw a mass
> defection of subscribers due to portability. The networks are more mature
> now, and we approaching a day where the differences in coverage will only be
> evident in rural areas. Postpaid service in the US has almost reached the
> saturation point, and we will see the carriers all pushing prepaid as the
> first choice (Verizon seems to be already doing this). If coverage and
> price become equal, the need to subsidize equipment is not there.

I don't agree. For example, T-Mobile recently liberalized their handset
upgrade policy for existing customers. As a result, my son, a long time
customer, got a Sony Ericsson T610 with Bluetooth for only $99.99
from T-Mobile. And he doesn't have to commit to some high margin
extra cost 'Vision' service to qualify for the rebate.

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"O/Siris" <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>> **Forcing** Vision subscriptions in order to have the customer qualify for
>> a handset rebate is a lousy policy, though. Either offer the rebate or don't.
>
> Then don't get a Vision phone. That choice still exists. Although
> I'd concede we need more.

For the umpteenth time, Vision is *not* an all-or-nothing proposition.
Also, non-Vision phones tend to be 'low end' with fewer features and
less attractive styling.

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John Richards

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John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Again, you're ignoring or glossing over this major change in rebate policy.
> Vision is not an all or nothing proposition. To suddenly change the rules by
> saying that part time Vision users now get *no rebate at all* is patently unfair.
>

That is an issue with the rebate and NOT an issue with the cost of
service. The change in rebate has absolutely NO effect on the month to
month cost of service. If it makes a difference to a user that they can
not get a REBATE on a phone in two years, than that is a separate issue
that has absolutely nothing to do with current phone, contract or
service.

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In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Also, non-Vision phones tend to be 'low end' with fewer features and
> > less attractive styling.
> >
>
> Certainly a legitimate complaint. I've said there's no fault in this
> new policy.

Also Sprint PCS is also going with what Rob was previously incorrectly
doing. From now on, after 90 days, any plan changes requires restarting
a 2 year contract.

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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> John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Again, you're ignoring or glossing over this major change in rebate policy.
>> Vision is not an all or nothing proposition. To suddenly change the rules by
>> saying that part time Vision users now get *no rebate at all* is patently unfair.
>>
>
> That is an issue with the rebate and NOT an issue with the cost of
> service. The change in rebate has absolutely NO effect on the month to
> month cost of service. If it makes a difference to a user that they can
> not get a REBATE on a phone in two years, than that is a separate issue
> that has absolutely nothing to do with current phone, contract or
> service.

That's a 'straw man' argument.
I never stated that the new handset upgrade rebate policy represented an
increase in the monthly cost of service. But, if I don't get a $150 rebate
18 months from the last handset upgrade, my wallet will be a lot lighter!
Net result is the same, whether you call it a denial of rebate or choose to
amortize it as an increase in the monthly price of service.

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John Richards

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> How can you say I'm wrong, and then say prove me write by saying one
> doesn't get a $150 phone credit upgrade unless I pay $15 extra for 18
> months. Isn't $270 mpore than $150.
>
> IT IS A PRICE INCREASE

You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
downloads.

Where's the increase?

(And yes, that has been verified by a few store managers and at least
6 sales reps)

TechGeek <[email protected]> wrote:
> You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
> though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
> cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
> come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
> downloads.
>
> Where's the increase?
>
> (And yes, that has been verified by a few store managers and at least
> 6 sales reps)

I disagree that it's a price increase.

I also am glad to see that I can cancel after I get paid I am planning
on using the free Vision trial when I set up my second line, but am not sure
it's something I want to pay for long-term.

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"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > John Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Again, you're ignoring or glossing over this major change in rebate
policy.
> >> Vision is not an all or nothing proposition. To suddenly change the
rules by
> >> saying that part time Vision users now get *no rebate at all* is
patently unfair.
> >>
> >
> > That is an issue with the rebate and NOT an issue with the cost of
> > service. The change in rebate has absolutely NO effect on the month to
> > month cost of service. If it makes a difference to a user that they can
> > not get a REBATE on a phone in two years, than that is a separate issue
> > that has absolutely nothing to do with current phone, contract or
> > service.
>
> That's a 'straw man' argument.
> I never stated that the new handset upgrade rebate policy represented an
> increase in the monthly cost of service. But, if I don't get a $150
rebate
> 18 months from the last handset upgrade, my wallet will be a lot lighter!
> Net result is the same, whether you call it a denial of rebate or choose
to
> amortize it as an increase in the monthly price of service.

John, I don't understand why you are *****ing so much ... First off, no one
knows what will be offered in the future. You did see the new PR today ...
didn't you? It's a new change with SPCS.

You keep harping on this friggin future rebate. Will it be the same
qualifications in 18 months or so? I don't know. I know that the prior
rebate, which is still current by the way ...
http://www.sprintrebates.com/track/s...ramPopup.shtml
does not require that you have had 18 months of Vision service. I also know
that SPCS mentioned in today's PR, there was no mention of having Vision for
18 prior months to qualify for a rebate.

I've yet to see any concrete proof that any future rebate will demand having
Vision on the account for 18 continual months, save for one poster here who
mentioned it as to a Radio Shack purchase ... Have YOU seen anything to
confirm that, outside of this newsgroup?

Either show some proof of all this talk on the requirements of having to had
continual Vision service for 18 months or get off of it. Plain and simple...

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> > How can you say I'm wrong, and then say prove me write by saying one
> > doesn't get a $150 phone credit upgrade unless I pay $15 extra for 18
> > months. Isn't $270 mpore than $150.
> >
> > IT IS A PRICE INCREASE
>
> You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
> though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
> cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
> come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
> downloads.

and according to your colleague you will then be inelligible for future
rebates. Is he Lying?

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> Everyone but you (even Bob Smith) agrees its a price increase if folks
> NOW have to have Vision for 18 month to be eligible for a rebate.
>
> $15 times 18 months equals $270, they they weren't required to spend
> until now.
>
> Your childishly calling me a LIAR doesn't chanhge the fact:
>
> IT IS A PRICE INCREASE

You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
downloads.

Where's the increase?

(And yes, that has been verified by a few store managers and at least
6 sales reps)

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> > > What happens say three months down the road and you have received your
> > > rebate and you cancel vision ?
> > >
> >
> > Ah, I see three posts on this, and think I see the misunderstanding.
> > This does *not* get a rebate revoked. This is qualification for the
> > next one.
>
> THEN IT IS A PRICE INCREASE !! ONE IS NOW REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN VISION 2
> $270 to qualify for a $150 rebate in 18 months?

You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
downloads.

Where's the increase?

(And yes, that has been verified by a few store managers and at least
6 sales reps)

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

>
> For the majority IT IS A PRICE INCREASE.
>
You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
downloads.

Where's the increase?

(And yes, that has been verified by a few store managers and at least
6 sales reps)

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>
> >
> > For the majority IT IS A PRICE INCREASE.
> >
> You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
> though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
> cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
> come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
> downloads.
>
> Where's the increase?

I explained, but you apologizing for SprintPCS, cut it out.

You taking lessons from Osiris?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > [email protected] says...
> > > > What happens say three months down the road and you have received your
> > > > rebate and you cancel vision ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ah, I see three posts on this, and think I see the misunderstanding.
> > > This does *not* get a rebate revoked. This is qualification for the
> > > next one.
> >
> > THEN IT IS A PRICE INCREASE !! ONE IS NOW REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN VISION 2
> > $270 to qualify for a $150 rebate in 18 months?
>
> You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
> though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
> cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
> come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
> downloads.
>
> Where's the increase?

Read what I wrote.
IT IS A PRICE INCREASE !! ONE IS NOW REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN VISION 2 $270
to qualify for a $150 rebate in 18 months?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:

> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> > Everyone but you (even Bob Smith) agrees its a price increase if folks
> > NOW have to have Vision for 18 month to be eligible for a rebate.
> >
> > $15 times 18 months equals $270, they they weren't required to spend
> > until now.
> >
> > Your childishly calling me a LIAR doesn't change the fact:
> >
> > IT IS A PRICE INCREASE
>
> You get a free 2 month trial when you upgrade to a vision divice
> though the upgrade program, when you get your rebate check just
> cancel Vision (all the rebate checks my stores have heard about have
> come in 4-6 weeks). Not an extra penny spent unless you paid for any
> downloads.
>
> Where's the increase?

Then Osiris is wrong or lying? He said he was told multiple times one
must maintain Vision or next time you will be ineligible for the rebate.

IT IS A PRICE INCREASE !! ONE IS NOW REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN VISION 2
$270 to qualify for a $150 rebate in 18 months?
>