Quad mode phone?

In alt.cellular Robert M. <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In alt.cellular Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Between the BREW support and the GSM support, this looks like a Verizon
>> > phone. Verizon even has a little GSM coverage out there.
>>
>> Verizon does not have any GSM coverage.
>
> But their 45% share holder Vodaphone does in Europe, and its for them
> that this phone is coming forth:

I know. I was addressing the specific statement made Mike. Verizon definitely
doesn't have native GSM coverage. You are correct that the phone is meant to
be used for European roaming. Presumably Verizon will be pushing their
International Traveler international GSM roaming plan to people that buy the
phone. (No, I haven't read the USA Today article yet.)

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ll <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Cingular & ATT both use 800 & 1900 freqs.
>> The GSM freqs listed are 900 & 1800, which are used in Europe.
>
> Why are U.S. GSM frequencies 800/1900 and European GSM is 900/1800?

One of the frequencies is used by the military in some country - I forget
whether it's here or in one of the European countries. I believe either 1800
is used by the US military or 1900 is used by one of the countries over there.

Aside from that, the systems there and the systems here were not built
in cooperation with each other, and there's no real requirement for two
countries to run their cell networks on the same frequencies.


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[email protected]lid (CharlesH) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> Note that this phone will NOT allow one to roam on US GSM carriers,
> since it has GSM functionality only on the non-US GSM bands.
> It is intended ONLY to allow US CDMA users to roam on overseas
> GSM systems, rather than having to get a separate GSM phone. It will
> not work on GSM systems in the US.

Yeah, my brain wasn't quite awake when I posted that this morning.

Thanx for pointing it out.

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
>
> > http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=510
>
> Back last January this was talked about as a phone for Verizon,
> as their 45% partner Vodaphone runs GSM in Europe, and they'd like to
> have a phone for use on both sides of the Atlantic.
>
> There's no major advantage for a SprintPCS phone to do GSM.

While it could be easier and cheaper for Verizon do to it, there are
still many benefits of Sprint were to carry it.

Sprint has many customers (business and consumer) who travel between
the US and Europe, it could open the door to a whole new level of
international roaming, no need to lease or purchase a seperate phone
etc..

So, now we need a phone that can handle:

CDMA 800 / 1900
GSM 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900

Six-mode, quad band. I bet the first ones will be big (just look at
the dimentions of that Motorola!).

In alt.cellular TechGeek <[email protected]> wrote:

> CDMA 800 / 1900
> GSM 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
>
> Six-mode, quad band. I bet the first ones will be big (just look at
> the dimentions of that Motorola!).

It'd be interesting -- but my guess is that it'll happen about the same
time that Satan starts selling Sno-Cones.

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Steven J Sobol wrote:

> I know. I was addressing the specific statement made Mike. Verizon definitely
> doesn't have native GSM coverage. You are correct that the phone is meant to
> be used for European roaming. Presumably Verizon will be pushing their
> International Traveler international GSM roaming plan to people that buy the
> phone. (No, I haven't read the USA Today article yet.)
>

This kills me too. I seem to recall that Verizon obtained a little bit
of GSM coverage in the US as a side effect of their aquisition-based
network expansion policy. I've looked for a link much of the day, and
haven't found one. Mea culpa.
-mike

"TechGeek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=510
> >
> > Back last January this was talked about as a phone for Verizon,
> > as their 45% partner Vodaphone runs GSM in Europe, and they'd like to
> > have a phone for use on both sides of the Atlantic.
> >
> > There's no major advantage for a SprintPCS phone to do GSM.
>
> While it could be easier and cheaper for Verizon do to it, there are
> still many benefits of Sprint were to carry it.
>
> Sprint has many customers (business and consumer) who travel between
> the US and Europe, it could open the door to a whole new level of
> international roaming, no need to lease or purchase a seperate phone
> etc..
>
> So, now we need a phone that can handle:
>
> CDMA 800 / 1900
> GSM 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
>
> Six-mode, quad band. I bet the first ones will be big (just look at
> the dimentions of that Motorola!).

Add analog and Bluetooth and you have a winner.


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Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In alt.cellular TechGeek <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > CDMA 800 / 1900
> > GSM 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
> >
> > Six-mode, quad band. I bet the first ones will be big (just look at
> > the dimentions of that Motorola!).
>
> It'd be interesting -- but my guess is that it'll happen about the same
> time that Satan starts selling Sno-Cones.

Honestly, who knows, I'm sure people said that about tri-band phones 5
years ago. We even thought it would be a long time before we weven
saw a CDMA / GSM phone.

Qualcomm has made the chips, almost everyone uses their chipset
(Qualcomm Inside?), I think the only CDMA company who doesn't use the
Qualcomm chip is Nokia. Once they get a chip that can handle it, or
are able to get the form factor to fit 6 phones in one, we may see it.

Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> In alt.cellular TechGeek <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > CDMA 800 / 1900
> > GSM 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
> >
> > Six-mode, quad band. I bet the first ones will be big (just look at
> > the dimentions of that Motorola!).
>
> It'd be interesting -- but my guess is that it'll happen about the same
> time that Satan starts selling Sno-Cones.

I thought I saw that Wednesday in downtown Los Angeles.

What percentage of Sprint PCS customers do you think travel to
europe often? I doubt it is large enough to matter.


TechGeek wrote:
> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] (TechGeek) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=510
>>
>>Back last January this was talked about as a phone for Verizon,
>>as their 45% partner Vodaphone runs GSM in Europe, and they'd like to
>>have a phone for use on both sides of the Atlantic.
>>
>>There's no major advantage for a SprintPCS phone to do GSM.
>
>
> While it could be easier and cheaper for Verizon do to it, there are
> still many benefits of Sprint were to carry it.
>
> Sprint has many customers (business and consumer) who travel between
> the US and Europe, it could open the door to a whole new level of
> international roaming, no need to lease or purchase a seperate phone
> etc..
>
> So, now we need a phone that can handle:
>
> CDMA 800 / 1900
> GSM 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
>
> Six-mode, quad band. I bet the first ones will be big (just look at
> the dimentions of that Motorola!).

Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> What percentage of Sprint PCS customers do you think travel to
> europe often? I doubt it is large enough to matter.
>
Not sayin' I've got the answer, but I'd say a better question is "what
percentage of U.S. cellular customers travel internationally often?" I
would suspect that there is a large number of customers that travel
internationally often, but are not on Sprint PCS because of a lack of
options. I doubt a large number of consumers even know you can buy/lease
a GSM handset and service from Sprint PCS for use abroad.

In article <[email protected]>,
Mike <[email protected]> wrote:

> I doubt a large number of consumers even know you can buy/lease
> a GSM handset and service from Sprint PCS for use abroad.

And that is undoubtably the most expensive was to have cellular service
in Europe, they are better served not knowing.

Well, seeing as this is the Sprint PCS news group, I did not ask
about uscellular or verizon or any other carrier. But OK, for all
wireless customers in the United States of America, what percentage of
them travel, often, to europe? Again, in my opinion, not enough to be
worth the cost for most carriers to bother adding such a phone.


Mike wrote:
> Jerome Zelinske wrote:
>
>> What percentage of Sprint PCS customers do you think travel to
>> europe often? I doubt it is large enough to matter.
>>
> Not sayin' I've got the answer, but I'd say a better question is "what
> percentage of U.S. cellular customers travel internationally often?" I
> would suspect that there is a large number of customers that travel
> internationally often, but are not on Sprint PCS because of a lack of
> options. I doubt a large number of consumers even know you can buy/lease
> a GSM handset and service from Sprint PCS for use abroad.
>

Richard S. <[email protected]> wrote:

>> It'd be interesting -- but my guess is that it'll happen about the same
>> time that Satan starts selling Sno-Cones.
>
> I thought I saw that Wednesday in downtown Los Angeles.

No, that was just some random street vendor. It was hot Wednesday. Mid-90s
up here, probably pretty close down there.

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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> Well, seeing as this is the Sprint PCS news group, I did not ask
> about uscellular or verizon or any other carrier. But OK, for all
> wireless customers in the United States of America, what percentage of
> them travel, often, to europe? Again, in my opinion, not enough to be
> worth the cost for most carriers to bother adding such a phone.
>

And here, I my opinion differs from yours. By the way, I came to this
thread from the SprintPCS group too, but the original post was heavily
crossposted. As the cellular market begins to reach saturation, carriers
are looking for niche markets. The international roaming customer is a
niche customer - one that CDMA carriers aren't well equipped to pursue
currently. That means that a very small number of these customers would
be on SprintPCS. I'd suspect they're hanging out on T-Mobile, or perhaps
AT&T or Cingular. WIth a phone such as this, CDMA carriers can offer the
advantages of CDMA in the US, and offer great performance overseas.
-mike