Quad mode phone?

I would think that IF (big IF) VZW did acquire GSM in an acquisition
it would be immediately converted to CDMA. They'd use the spectrum.

But, I don't think that it ever happened.

Bottom line, either way, they don't OPERATE and GSM here in the US.



"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Steven J Sobol wrote:
>
> > I know. I was addressing the specific statement made Mike. Verizon definitely
> > doesn't have native GSM coverage. You are correct that the phone is meant to
> > be used for European roaming. Presumably Verizon will be pushing their
> > International Traveler international GSM roaming plan to people that buy the
> > phone. (No, I haven't read the USA Today article yet.)
> >
>
> This kills me too. I seem to recall that Verizon obtained a little bit
> of GSM coverage in the US as a side effect of their aquisition-based
> network expansion policy. I've looked for a link much of the day, and
> haven't found one. Mea culpa.
> -mike
>

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I would think that IF (big IF) VZW did acquire GSM in an acquisition
it would be immediately converted to CDMA. They'd use the spectrum.

But, I don't think that it ever happened.

Bottom line, either way, they don't OPERATE and GSM here in the US.



"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Steven J Sobol wrote:
>
> > I know. I was addressing the specific statement made Mike. Verizon definitely
> > doesn't have native GSM coverage. You are correct that the phone is meant to
> > be used for European roaming. Presumably Verizon will be pushing their
> > International Traveler international GSM roaming plan to people that buy the
> > phone. (No, I haven't read the USA Today article yet.)
> >
>
> This kills me too. I seem to recall that Verizon obtained a little bit
> of GSM coverage in the US as a side effect of their aquisition-based
> network expansion policy. I've looked for a link much of the day, and
> haven't found one. Mea culpa.
> -mike
>

TechGeek wrote:
> Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> In alt.cellular TechGeek <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> CDMA 800 / 1900
>>> GSM 800 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
>>>
>>> Six-mode, quad band. I bet the first ones will be big (just look at
>>> the dimentions of that Motorola!).
>>
>> It'd be interesting -- but my guess is that it'll happen about the
>> same time that Satan starts selling Sno-Cones.
>
> Honestly, who knows, I'm sure people said that about tri-band phones 5
> years ago. We even thought it would be a long time before we weven
> saw a CDMA / GSM phone.

err... no. Even if they could do it technically they would never
sell any. Why would any of the large carriers sell one of these?
No market, no phone.

Well... maybe when all the carriers merge into MA Wireless,
which will happen about the same time that Satan starts selling
Sno-Cones.

-Quick

Steven,

For all practical purposes you are correct;
however.............................

VZW manages 2 small Euro GSM networks here in the US. One is in and around
the UN Headquarters in NYC and the other is in Washington DC, principally
Embassy Row and Foggy Bottom (State Dept.) area. Both networks are operated
primarily for foreign diplomats.

And you are also correct that this new phone is intended for Verizon
Wireless customers travelling abroad. It may be followed by a Blackberry
type device with both 1X / EvDO AND GPRS data capability in addition to CDMA
/ GSM voice capability but this device is still in the discussion stages
with several vendors.

To my knowledge VZW has tested at least two other similar phones in the last
3 years. One was a Nokia which I saw on test in DC in 2001 and I believe the
other was a Lucky Goldstar device which I heard about but did not personally
see.

Obviously neither of these two devices survived VZW's testing and made it to
market.

Richard


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> In alt.cellular Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Between the BREW support and the GSM support, this looks like a Verizon
> > phone. Verizon even has a little GSM coverage out there.
>
> Verizon does not have any GSM coverage.
>
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In alt.cellular RICHARD GORDON <[email protected]> wrote:
> Steven,
>
> For all practical purposes you are correct;
> however.............................
>
> VZW manages 2 small Euro GSM networks here in the US.

I hope you don't mean GSM networks on Euro frequencies. I believe the reason
that European GSM and American GSM don't exist on the same frequency is
because 1800 MHz is used by the US military -- although I might have that
backwards...

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On Fri, 7 May 2004 10:12:46 -0700, "Richard Ness"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I would think that IF (big IF) VZW did acquire GSM in an acquisition
>it would be immediately converted to CDMA. They'd use the spectrum.

The other way around has happened. GTE Mobility a CDMA operator had
to give up its franchise in Seattle when Verizon Wireless was formed
as there already was Verizon through their aquisition of Airtouch in
Seattle. What was GTE Mobility became cingular Wireless and the
system was changed from a CDMA system to a GSM system.

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On Fri, 07 May 2004 23:28:25 GMT, "RICHARD GORDON"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>VZW manages 2 small Euro GSM networks here in the US. One is in and around
>the UN Headquarters in NYC and the other is in Washington DC, principally
>Embassy Row and Foggy Bottom (State Dept.) area. Both networks are operated
>primarily for foreign diplomats.

Documentation please! This must be a secret GSM network as no one
else has ever heard of it. It certainly isn't listed with the GSM
consortium through GSMworld.com.

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Steven,

Yup...................Euro frequencies but very narrow spectrum usage since
only a very limited number of users.

Oh................and add this to your coriousity collection. VZW also
operated a TDMA network..........................on the floor of the New
York Stock Exchange. They won a contract to manage it even though it had
originally been installed and managed by ATTWS.

I believe this has subsequently been changed to a CDMA system.

Richard



I use the past tense because I believe it
"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In alt.cellular RICHARD GORDON <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Steven,
> >
> > For all practical purposes you are correct;
> > however.............................
> >
> > VZW manages 2 small Euro GSM networks here in the US.
>
> I hope you don't mean GSM networks on Euro frequencies. I believe the
reason
> that European GSM and American GSM don't exist on the same frequency is
> because 1800 MHz is used by the US military -- although I might have that
> backwards...
>
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"RICHARD GORDON" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Steven,
>
> Yup...................Euro frequencies but very narrow spectrum usage since
> only a very limited number of users.
>
> Oh................and add this to your coriousity collection. VZW also
> operated a TDMA network..........................on the floor of the New
> York Stock Exchange. They won a contract to manage it even though it had
> originally been installed and managed by ATTWS.
>
> I believe this has subsequently been changed to a CDMA system.

Sorry, Joseph. I am also quoting your x-no-archive post because I
second your response. Including the Seattle MTA GTE PCS A license
divestiture & subsequent Cingular conversion to GSM, you seem to know
your stuff. Is there a compelling reason why you do not wish to have
your Usenet contributions preserved?

> Documentation please! This must be a secret GSM network as no one
> else has ever heard of it. It certainly isn't listed with the GSM
> consortium through GSMworld.com.

Yes, if VZW nee BAM is authorized to operate a diplomatic GSM 900/1800
micro network in NYC at the UN & in DC, I too would like to see some
evidence or substantiation. I have long suspected that such a network
would make perfect sense, but never in my extensive research have I
come across FCC approval for anything of the sort.

What is the MCC-MNC? Is the network GSM 900 or GSM 900/1800?
Nevermind the slight bandplan overlap, even limited bandwidth GSM 1800
(DCS 1800) is not designed to coexist w/ GSM 1900 (PCS 1900), as they
share much of the same ARFCN range (GSM 1800: 512-885)(GSM 1900:
512-810) - a noted mistake on the part of the GSM consortium - no
other GSM bandplans reuse ARFCNs. So perhaps the mystery network is
but GSM 900.

A call to action to GSM users w/ multi-band world phones in DC, we
await your report from a manual network search along Embassy Row!

Andrew
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I have no personal knowledge of a Euro net. I've heard rumors, but have
never seen it. Further, whatever need there might have been for such a
network at one point, there are some many tribands out there that there
doesn't seem to be much need for continued need for it.

If it does exist, I'd bet it is on the 900mhz band. 900mhz is used for
cordless devices and a small network could probably operate there without
much interference.

The FCC has clearly granted permission for such networks to be operated on a
limited term basis such as when GSM World is in the US.

Stu

"Andrew Shepherd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "RICHARD GORDON" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Steven,
> >
> > Yup...................Euro frequencies but very narrow spectrum usage
since
> > only a very limited number of users.
> >
> > Oh................and add this to your coriousity collection. VZW also
> > operated a TDMA network..........................on the floor of the New
> > York Stock Exchange. They won a contract to manage it even though it had
> > originally been installed and managed by ATTWS.
> >
> > I believe this has subsequently been changed to a CDMA system.
>
> Sorry, Joseph. I am also quoting your x-no-archive post because I
> second your response. Including the Seattle MTA GTE PCS A license
> divestiture & subsequent Cingular conversion to GSM, you seem to know
> your stuff. Is there a compelling reason why you do not wish to have
> your Usenet contributions preserved?
>
> > Documentation please! This must be a secret GSM network as no one
> > else has ever heard of it. It certainly isn't listed with the GSM
> > consortium through GSMworld.com.
>
> Yes, if VZW nee BAM is authorized to operate a diplomatic GSM 900/1800
> micro network in NYC at the UN & in DC, I too would like to see some
> evidence or substantiation. I have long suspected that such a network
> would make perfect sense, but never in my extensive research have I
> come across FCC approval for anything of the sort.
>
> What is the MCC-MNC? Is the network GSM 900 or GSM 900/1800?
> Nevermind the slight bandplan overlap, even limited bandwidth GSM 1800
> (DCS 1800) is not designed to coexist w/ GSM 1900 (PCS 1900), as they
> share much of the same ARFCN range (GSM 1800: 512-885)(GSM 1900:
> 512-810) - a noted mistake on the part of the GSM consortium - no
> other GSM bandplans reuse ARFCNs. So perhaps the mystery network is
> but GSM 900.
>
> A call to action to GSM users w/ multi-band world phones in DC, we
> await your report from a manual network search along Embassy Row!
>
> Andrew
> --
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> [email protected]
> [email protected]
> http://www.wirelesswavelength.com/

One would hope that they will rewrite the program when this phone comes out.
Last I checked, you were given a UK number with that plan and the roaming
rates were real high.
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> In alt.cellular Robert M. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Steven J Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In alt.cellular Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Between the BREW support and the GSM support, this looks like a
Verizon
> >> > phone. Verizon even has a little GSM coverage out there.
> >>
> >> Verizon does not have any GSM coverage.
> >
> > But their 45% share holder Vodaphone does in Europe, and its for them
> > that this phone is coming forth:
>
> I know. I was addressing the specific statement made Mike. Verizon
definitely
> doesn't have native GSM coverage. You are correct that the phone is meant
to
> be used for European roaming. Presumably Verizon will be pushing their
> International Traveler international GSM roaming plan to people that buy
the
> phone. (No, I haven't read the USA Today article yet.)
>
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In alt.cellular Stuart Friedman <[email protected]> wrote:
> One would hope that they will rewrite the program when this phone comes out.
> Last I checked, you were given a UK number with that plan and the roaming
> rates were real high.

You have to rent a phone, currently. Obviously that will change when Verizon
starts selling the hybrid phone.

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