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  1. #1
    The Babynous Cult
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    hi hi hi...!!!

    i really should not have gotten a cell phone...
    i just never talk on the phone, but i was thinking, there
    are certain things about having one that would be very convenient...

    so, from the moment i got my 8100, Sprint and the local
    Smart Wireless Kiosk were just endlessly messing with me,
    everytime, i would think, ok, we've got that straighened
    out, now it will be smooth sailing, but then - BANG - they
    would do it again...! just one thing after anohter...

    in the 3 weeks that i had the phone, my service was cut off
    3 times, and i'm not talking about dropped calls, i talking
    about being notififed that my service has been terminated
    due to non-payment... weeks before my first bill was due...!
    then i had to change my number becasue i was getting all
    these calls, bznz calls for the person that last had my
    number... ugly, demanding calls... 'Where in the hell is
    Paul, i know hes there... i NEED TO TALK TO HIM...!' and so
    on... ( Plus lots of other petty annoyances, deceptions, and
    taking advantage of my sweet and trusting nature...! )

    so after 3 weeks, 1 week past the 2 weeks; 'Return with no
    questions asked for any reason' i quit and now have to pay
    the Smart Wireless store $300 for the $20 phone & Sprint
    $150 for not loving them enough.

    Questions:
    What is the Bluebook (???) price for a Sanyo 8100
    Or if there is no Bluebook listing for Cell pHones, what is
    the WholeSale price or PRODUCTION COST of a Sanyo 8100...

    What is the THEORY behind the $150 Cancelation Fee...?
    Is there any other Consumer Product/Service that has
    anything like this...??? It's been my experience in the past
    that when you're unhappy with some product or service, the
    company will bend over backwards to straighten it out, and
    absorb the 'bad blood' -- Sprint is exactly the opposite...!
    what exactly have a stolen from them that costs $150...???

    is Sprint more evil MicroSoft... is that what they're
    shooting for...???


    sproogles...



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  2. #2
    Nebby00007
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    Re: i really should not...

    You could sell the Sanyo 8100 on Ebay for around $100.



  3. #3
    John S.
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    Re: i really should not...

    >is Sprint more evil MicroSoft...

    How is Microsoft evil.

    Surely you aren't one of those that believe that capitalism isn't fair?

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  4. #4
    Bobby T
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    Re: i really should not...

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected]pamfree (John S.) wrote:

    > >is Sprint more evil MicroSoft...

    >
    > How is Microsoft evil.
    >
    > Surely you aren't one of those that believe that capitalism isn't fair?


    Microsoft was convicted of not playing fair (in case your forgot, here
    is the link to their conviction http://usvms.gpo.gov/)



  5. #5
    Mike
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    Re: i really should not...

    The Babynous Cult wrote:
    > sproogles...


    What does that mean?!?
    -mike



  6. #6
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: i really should not...

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    The Babynous Cult <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >so after 3 weeks, 1 week past the 2 weeks; 'Return with no
    >questions asked for any reason' i quit and now have to pay
    >the Smart Wireless store $300 for the $20 phone & Sprint
    >$150 for not loving them enough.
    >


    The big problem, you waited until 3 weeks are up. That is your mistake,
    especially when all the signs were there early on that you had an issue.
    I would have been in there cancelling before the 14 days. Granted, you
    have legitimate problems, but the early-termination fees are something
    that you could have avoided, so I highly doubt you will get the fees
    back from the kiosk (never buy cellular equipment from resellers) and
    from Sprint PCS. You can not blame them for you not cancelling on time.

    - --

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  7. #7
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: i really should not...

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    John S. <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>is Sprint more evil MicroSoft...

    >
    > How is Microsoft evil.
    >
    > Surely you aren't one of those that believe that capitalism isn't fair?
    >


    Microsoft bashing is a fad, usually praised by highschool linux geeks
    who want to be IN with the larger internet crowd. SCO is the company to
    bash if you want to do some bashing.

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    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: i really should not...

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    Bobby T <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Microsoft was convicted of not playing fair (in case your forgot, here
    > is the link to their conviction http://usvms.gpo.gov/)


    Also, do not forget that politics play a HUGE part in this type case.
    State Attorney Generals often become Governors based upon settlements in
    cases like this. The benefits of success are even bigger at the federal
    level. Never once should you lose site of the fact that the result of
    many cases has more to do with politics than it does with law.

    - --

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  9. #9
    Gregg
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    Re: i really should not...

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in news:409d01ce$0$178
    [email protected]:

    > (never buy cellular equipment from resellers)


    Could you explain why?

    Thanks.

    Gregg



  10. #10
    Steven J Sobol
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    Re: i really should not...

    Thomas T. Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Microsoft bashing is a fad, usually praised by highschool linux geeks
    > who want to be IN with the larger internet crowd. SCO is the company to
    > bash if you want to do some bashing.


    That's simplifying quite a bit - Microsoft has done its share of crappy
    stuff. However, I do agree that SCO is the company to bash these days. I've
    never seen a bunch of bigger morons.

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  11. #11
    Bobby T
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    Re: i really should not...

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Gregg <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in news:409d01ce$0$178
    > [email protected]:
    >
    > > (never buy cellular equipment from resellers)

    >
    > Could you explain why?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Gregg


    Pluses and minuses of resellers:

    If they in (as in this case) have extra caveats in the contract you sign
    (in this case $300 ETF) it can bite you if you do not fulfill the
    contract. Many folks do not have a problem with resellers as the reseller
    may effectively split their commission with the customer by lowering the
    price of the phone or by giving a free car charger and/or case and/or
    hands free kit with the phone. http://www.intelenetwireless.com is such
    a reseller. They may also have in stock models of phones that SprintPCS
    might temporarily be out of, or have recently discontinued.



  12. #12
    Mike
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    Re: i really should not...

    Bobby T wrote:

    > Pluses and minuses of resellers:
    >
    > If they in (as in this case) have extra caveats in the contract you sign
    > (in this case $300 ETF) it can bite you if you do not fulfill the
    > contract. Many folks do not have a problem with resellers as the reseller
    > may effectively split their commission with the customer by lowering the
    > price of the phone or by giving a free car charger and/or case and/or
    > hands free kit with the phone. http://www.intelenetwireless.com is such
    > a reseller. They may also have in stock models of phones that SprintPCS
    > might temporarily be out of, or have recently discontinued.


    I think reseller commission chargebacks only happen within six months of
    contract inception, so many won't care after that.
    That means sproogles might do better to keep service at $35/mo if the
    terms of the agreement with the kiosk only requires six months. Vacation
    plans may also satisfy a reseller, though I'm not sure.
    -mike



  13. #13
    The Babynous Cult
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    Re: i really should not...



    "John S." wrote:
    >
    > >is Sprint more evil MicroSoft...

    >
    > How is Microsoft evil.
    >
    > Surely you aren't one of those that believe that capitalism isn't fair?
    >


    i'm a capitalist, but if you're going to organize a social
    heirarchy based on personal greed, you should have a goal of
    'infinite greed'.
    This idea is founded on the premise the trouble with the
    world is not the people are too greedy, the trouble with the
    world is that people, and corporations, are not greedy
    enough. They are often content to waste their resources and
    causually ignore oportunities to exploit the people &
    environment that gawd has given them.
    In short, fintie greed is the bane of short sightedness.
    Anyways, if MircoSoft were to simply create a fine product,
    and was interested in created a better world for themselves
    and their children, then that form of capitalism would be admirable...
    but they are not, they are grabbing at a few pennies, ( alot
    of pennies ), while destroying the future, their 'dirty
    tricks' and suppression of products and services that would
    endanger their lame products & services are sellign short
    their own future.
    A world without MircroSoft ( or equivalent ) would be a much
    richer technological world, and with greater diversity, the
    multitude of companies would probably have been forced to
    agree to a genuine set of universal standards for all
    devices to communicate with one another, instead of each
    individual product having it's own protocols...
    MircoSoft has destroyed the Future, Your children will live
    in a smaller, feebler world because of them.

    > --
    > John S.
    > e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net


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    The Babynous Cult
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    Re: i really should not...

    > ...
    > > a reseller. They may also have in stock models of phones that SprintPCS
    > > might temporarily be out of, or have recently discontinued.

    >
    > I think reseller commission chargebacks only happen within six months of
    > contract inception, so many won't care after that.
    > That means sproogles might do better to keep service at $35/mo if the
    > terms of the agreement with the kiosk only requires six months. Vacation
    > plans may also satisfy a reseller, though I'm not sure.
    > -mike


    Sproogles is a Salutation, not a Nomclemature.

    When i began to realize what all the penalties were going to
    cost me, instead of schemeing to 'outwit them' i instead
    became more & more determined to get the hell away from
    Sprint as fast as i could, damn the consequences...!


    sproogles...



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  15. #15
    Eric
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    Re: i really should not...

    (The=A0Babynous=A0Cult) wrote:
    <<What is the THEORY behind the $150 Cancelation Fee...? Is there any
    other Consumer Product/Service that has anything like this...??? It's
    been my experience in the past that when you're unhappy with some
    product or service, the company will bend over backwards to straighten
    it out, and absorb the 'bad blood' -- Sprint is exactly the opposite...!
    what exactly have a stolen from them that costs $150...??? >>

    hi hi hi...

    Apparently, you have no experience in the real world in today's
    standards because there are *lots* of companies that charge early
    cancellation fees... its not limited to Sprint. If you sign up for
    internet service to qualify for an instant rebate (like at stores like
    Best Buy), you will get hit with an early cancellation fee if you don't
    ride it out for a year or two. Many DSL/Cable internet packages that
    include free or discounted hardware require users to sign an agreement
    or be faced with a cancellation fee.

    Sprint actually has one of the lowest Early Termination Fees in
    comparison to Verizon ($175 per line) and T-Mobile ($200 per line). All
    cellular companies give you 14 or 30 days (depending on the carrier) to
    try out their service and see if its coverage meets your needs. If
    coverage serverely deteriorates after that period, then you may have a
    legit beef to cancel without an ETF after the trial period. But if
    their service is horrible from day one and you wait around and "hope" it
    gets better... than you would be responsible for the ETF fees. If you
    return with the trial period, you will get your costs refunded (minus
    service used and activation fees).

    Make sure you read the fine print on any kind of promo or agreement you
    sign. Everyone from cable companies to internet companies to cellular
    companies are charging an early termination fee. Buyer Beware.

    Eric




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