Sprint Spite...

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hi hi hi...!!!

Returning to one of my principle questions...
that last thread became somewhat distracted by...
( i don't want to bring it up again )

What is the underlying theory behind the 'penalties'...?

The Smart Wireless Kiosk sent me the bill for the 195$ (
less what i'd already paid & time served, and identified it
as 'penalties' rather than the cost of the phone...
it might also be noted that when i 'bought' the phone it was
'discounted' down from $99, to $60, NOT FROM $300 which is
what 'Patrick' said the $250 was for... ( the cost of the
phone )...???

so that's kind of fuzzy... whta the $250 was actually 'Representing'...?

then there's the $150 that Sprint is charging me...?
what does that Represent...?
How have i harmed Sprint for this amount...?

Also; this is only a partial amount that they RIPPED ME OFF
FOR, since i also had to pay a $125 Credit fee, since i'm
very poor, and never ever bought anything on Credit before...
When i quit, i naively asked if the $125 would be credited
towards the $150...Ha Ha Ha...! everyone at Sprint laughed
so hard that my phone crackled for minutes afterwards...


sproogles...



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In article <[email protected]>,
The Babynous Cult <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> --
> hi hi hi...!!!
>
> Returning to one of my principle questions...
> that last thread became somewhat distracted by...
> ( i don't want to bring it up again )
>
> What is the underlying theory behind the 'penalties'...?
>
> The Smart Wireless Kiosk sent me the bill for the 195$ (
> less what i'd already paid & time served, and identified it
> as 'penalties' rather than the cost of the phone...
> it might also be noted that when i 'bought' the phone it was
> 'discounted' down from $99, to $60, NOT FROM $300 which is
> what 'Patrick' said the $250 was for... ( the cost of the
> phone )...???
>
> so that's kind of fuzzy... whta the $250 was actually 'Representing'...?

SprintPCS lists the Sanyo 8100 as a "$229. phone", which may in fact
cost them more, and if so their $150 Early Termination Fee covers such
costs.

The Babynous Cult wrote:

> What is the underlying theory behind the 'penalties'...?

Well, one could be callous and say that the theory is that you agreed to
pay that amount. Truth is, it's kinda rough, but there is a reason for
it. That amount makes every sale of theirs a good one. Many resellers
lose thousands of dollars each month on canceled service. Sprint pays
them a commission on signing a new customer, but takes it back if that
customer cancels within a certain period of time (usually 6 months).
Sprint also gives them a rebate payment to allow the handset to leave
the store for less than the retailer's cost for the phone. The retailer
probably won't get that money either.

> The Smart Wireless Kiosk sent me the bill for the 195$ (
> less what i'd already paid & time served, and identified it
> as 'penalties' rather than the cost of the phone...
> it might also be noted that when i 'bought' the phone it was
> 'discounted' down from $99, to $60, NOT FROM $300 which is
> what 'Patrick' said the $250 was for... ( the cost of the
> phone )...???
>
> so that's kind of fuzzy... whta the $250 was actually 'Representing'...?

From what I've seen, most resellers don't really get deals on phones.
Their money is in the commissions. That means they may mark the phone
higher than Sprint's pricing for outright purchases. For a sale that
previously wouldn't even cover their logistics expenses (a sale without
activation) now makes a few dollars and allows paying a small
salesperson commission. So, (and I'm trying more to give insight than to
give exact numbers, I again, don't know Smart Wireless' actual numbers)
if Smart Wireless sells an 8100 for $250, making around $20 in the
process, and this is their expected sliver of profit when selling to a
customer who won't be worth any Sprint commissions, then why wouldn't
they want that in your case? After all, you didn't make them any Sprint
commissions. They probably don't get to resell the phone.

Now, the $99 to $60 discount sounds like them offering a lower price on
the phone than they ordinarily would for your chosen contract term.
Sounds like they're throwing a little of their commission in on the deal
to push these 8100 handsets out. That means that their expenses on the
sale were probably around $220 - $230, or much worse if they bought that
handset earlier. I knew the phone was discontinued back in January. They
probably knew it then, or earlier. That phone might have cost them more
than that.

> then there's the $150 that Sprint is charging me...?
> what does that Represent...?
> How have i harmed Sprint for this amount...?
>
> Also; this is only a partial amount that they RIPPED ME OFF
> FOR, since i also had to pay a $125 Credit fee, since i'm
> very poor, and never ever bought anything on Credit before...
> When i quit, i naively asked if the $125 would be credited
> towards the $150...Ha Ha Ha...! everyone at Sprint laughed
> so hard that my phone crackled for minutes afterwards...
>
>
> sproogles...

Yes, well, you should get the deposit back upon satisfying the terms of
your agreement, in this case, paying for the services and your early
termination fee.
-mike

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You attachments (VCF,ASC, etc) make replying difficult. Anyway, you
would have to ask the kiosk the reason for their penalties, that is not
a sprint issue. As far as Sprint PCS early termination fees, it is
based upon aquisition costs. In particular, the cost of the phone that
they subsidize (usually well in excess of $200). If you terminate on
day 15 and pay the ETF, Sprint PCS is almost certainly still losing
money on the deal.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> then there's the $150 that Sprint is charging me...?
> what does that Represent...?=20
> How have i harmed Sprint for this amount...?
>=20
> Also; this is only a partial amount that they RIPPED ME OFF
> FOR, since i also had to pay a $125 Credit fee, since i'm
> very poor, and never ever bought anything on Credit before...
> When i quit, i naively asked if the $125 would be credited
> towards the $150...Ha Ha Ha...! everyone at Sprint laughed
> so hard that my phone crackled for minutes afterwards...
>=20

It isn't about harming Sprint. It's about contracts. You promised=20
us a two-year stint. We gave you 14 days to determine whether or not=20
the service was for you, after which you promised to remain for 2=20
years, or to pay a $150 termination fee. Per line.

We didn't harm you, or vice versa. You made a promise.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

Robert M wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> The Babynous Cult <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > --
> > hi hi hi...!!!
> >
> > Returning to one of my principle questions...
> > that last thread became somewhat distracted by...
> > ( i don't want to bring it up again )
> >
> > What is the underlying theory behind the 'penalties'...?
> >
> > The Smart Wireless Kiosk sent me the bill for the 195$ (
> > less what i'd already paid & time served, and identified it
> > as 'penalties' rather than the cost of the phone...
> > it might also be noted that when i 'bought' the phone it was
> > 'discounted' down from $99, to $60, NOT FROM $300 which is
> > what 'Patrick' said the $250 was for... ( the cost of the
> > phone )...???
> >
> > so that's kind of fuzzy... whta the $250 was actually 'Representing'...?
>
> SprintPCS lists the Sanyo 8100 as a "$229. phone", which may in fact
> cost them more, and if so their $150 Early Termination Fee covers such
> costs.

i very much doubt that the 8100 cost anybody, other than me,
$229, if you compare that same level of technology against
other devices that seem to have the same 'sophistication'
then their 'flat' prices, without service agreements, such
as handheld DVD players or PDA's and subtract the Populartiy
factors, these devices probably cost them $20 or so...
i have it on a good authority that the HP48 costs HP around
$12 to manufacture, and they sold, when first released,
around $300.
Aaannnyyywwwaaayyysss...
Smart Wireless is Charging me $250 for the Phone,
What is Sprint charging me $150 for...???

sproogles...



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O/Siris wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> > then there's the $150 that Sprint is charging me...?
> > what does that Represent...?
> > How have i harmed Sprint for this amount...?
> >
> > Also; this is only a partial amount that they RIPPED ME OFF
> > FOR, since i also had to pay a $125 Credit fee, since i'm
> > very poor, and never ever bought anything on Credit before...
> > When i quit, i naively asked if the $125 would be credited
> > towards the $150...Ha Ha Ha...! everyone at Sprint laughed
> > so hard that my phone crackled for minutes afterwards...
> >
>
> It isn't about harming Sprint. It's about contracts. You promised
> us a two-year stint. We gave you 14 days to determine whether or not
> the service was for you, after which you promised to remain for 2
> years, or to pay a $150 termination fee. Per line.
>
> We didn't harm you, or vice versa. You made a promise.
>
> --
> RØß
> O/Siris
> I work for Sprint PCS
> I *don't* speak for them

Replying to all...
Your're all making it sound like Sprint in all of it's
Magnitomity (?) is loosing money on me every month when i
pay my monthly service fee...
first of all, as i have insisted in other posts,
Manufactures sell products to retailers, and retailer mark
up those items to sell to consumers... you all seem to think
that Sprint is buying these phones from Sanyo for $600 each
and then hoping that a customer will hang on to their
service for 50 years to eventually pay for it, a few pennies
at a time...!!!

i can assure you that when, and if they sold the 8100's to
consumers for $12 each, they would still make money off of them!

is there anyone in this newsgroup that's not an employee of Sprint?

The entire foundation of Capitalism is TO SURVIVE in the
marketplace by providing a SERVICE OR PRODUCT that the
Consumer WANTS and is willing to PAY A FAR MARKET PRICE FOR...!!!

When a company fails to do that, it dies.

Many modern companies though are figureing out ways to make
money even when the consumer hates thier product or service...!!!

i don't know what this economic theory is called...???
maybe something like Gypsy Hornswaggling...

( no offense to any gypsies out there! )


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"The Babynous Cult" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snipped?
> i very much doubt that the 8100 cost anybody, other than me,
> $229, if you compare that same level of technology against
> other devices that seem to have the same 'sophistication'
> then their 'flat' prices, without service agreements, such
> as handheld DVD players or PDA's and subtract the Populartiy
> factors, these devices probably cost them $20 or so...
> i have it on a good authority that the HP48 costs HP around
> $12 to manufacture, and they sold, when first released,
> around $300.
> Aaannnyyywwwaaayyysss...
> Smart Wireless is Charging me $250 for the Phone,
> What is Sprint charging me $150 for...???

Look. Everyone here has been pretty polite to you, and have answered your
questions. Now, you are just sounding like a troll. You were the one that
exceeded the two week trial period offered in your contract with SPCS ...
Try reading it this time ...

As to the phones, they are much more expensive than what YOU believe. All
the phones are subsidized that are sold to the carriers. I don't know the
specific cost of the phone, but it's more than $250, with all the features
that model offers.

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,
The Babynous Cult <[email protected]> wrote:

> Smart Wireless is Charging me $250 for the Phone,
> What is Sprint charging me $150 for...???

I think whats happening is SprintPCS is charging you $150 ETF, which
actually does cover the phone, while Smart's charges are for the
commission they got from Sprint that they now have to pay back.

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The Babynous Cult <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Replying to all...
> Your're all making it sound like Sprint in all of it's
> Magnitomity (?) is loosing money on me every month when i
> pay my monthly service fee...
> first of all, as i have insisted in other posts,
> Manufactures sell products to retailers, and retailer mark
> up those items to sell to consumers... you all seem to think
> that Sprint is buying these phones from Sanyo for $600 each
> and then hoping that a customer will hang on to their
> service for 50 years to eventually pay for it, a few pennies
> at a time...!!!
>
> i can assure you that when, and if they sold the 8100's to
> consumers for $12 each, they would still make money off of them!
>
> is there anyone in this newsgroup that's not an employee of Sprint?
>
> The entire foundation of Capitalism is TO SURVIVE in the
> marketplace by providing a SERVICE OR PRODUCT that the
> Consumer WANTS and is willing to PAY A FAR MARKET PRICE FOR...!!!
>
> When a company fails to do that, it dies.
>
> Many modern companies though are figureing out ways to make
> money even when the consumer hates thier product or service...!!!
>
> i don't know what this economic theory is called...???
> maybe something like Gypsy Hornswaggling...
>

It is simple. They sell the phones as a loss leader to attract
customers. It typcially takes 10 months to break even on phones where
they sell with one-year contracts. Two-year contracts can have further
subsidies that extend the recovery period beyond 12 months. Once the
subsidy is covered, the profit margin on mobile service is typically
very high. All these companies have a potontial to make a lot of money
if they can keep existing customers from buying new phones.
Unfortunately, in the industry today, technology is growing so quickly
that a large subset of customers want to replace their phones very soon
after subsidies are met (said annually). Thus, the profit margin on
many customers is very small.

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(The=A0Babynous=A0Cult) wrote:
<<then there's the $150 that Sprint is charging me...? what does that
Represent...?
How have i harmed Sprint for this amount...?
Also; this is only a partial amount that they RIPPED ME OFF FOR, since i
also had to pay a $125 Credit fee, since i'm very poor, and never ever
bought anything on Credit before... >>

If you have never had any kind of credit history, chances are many
places like cellular carriers will require some kind of deposit from
you. You need to learn to read the "fine print" in the real world...
$150 is called an Early Termination Fee... all carriers charge one --
and Sprint's is actually one of the lowest. There are only a couple
Sprint employees who post here... the rest are from regular users or
former users.

<<When i quit, i naively asked if the $125 would be credited towards the
$150...Ha Ha Ha...! everyone at Sprint laughed so hard that my phone
crackled for minutes afterwards... >>

Such is also stated in the terms and conditions printed on pricing
brochures and in your phone manual.

Eric

(The=A0Babynous=A0Cult) wrote:
<<first of all, as i have insisted in other posts, Manufactures sell
products to retailers, and retailer mark up those items to sell to
consumers... you all seem to think that Sprint is buying these phones
from Sanyo for $600 each and then hoping that a customer will hang on to
their service for 50 years to eventually pay for it, a few pennies at a
time...!!!
i can assure you that when, and if they sold the 8100's to consumers for
$12 each, they would still make money off of them!>>

So? And your point is? Sprint may not make a huge profit off the MSRP
of new phones, but you can be rest assured that *someone* does... either
Sanyo or their partners or someone...

You claim to have no credit history and what not, but you seem to think
of yourself somewhat of an expert on how the business world works.
There are markups *everywhere*... If you think $229 is too expensive for
a Sanyo 8100, try to check out some of Verizon's costs of phones (for
existing customers).

Do you go into your grocery store and say that you are not buying a loaf
of bread because it costs $2.00 when you know it cost way less than that
to manufacture?

<<The entire foundation of Capitalism is TO SURVIVE in the marketplace
by providing a SERVICE OR PRODUCT that the Consumer WANTS and is willing
to PAY A FAR MARKET PRICE FOR...!!!
When a company fails to do that, it dies. >>

Sure, maybe in some exotic dream world somewhere. Business is all about
money and profits... man, you must really be wet behind the ears.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Replying to all...
> Your're all making it sound like Sprint in all of it's
> Magnitomity (?) is loosing money on me every month when i
> pay my monthly service fee...
>=20

Irrelevant. Yes, we are, for the first 20 months or so, on average. =20
But irrelevant. You made the deal, we kept our end of the bargain. =20
Now it's your turn. Two years or $150 per line.

>=20
> i can assure you that when, and if they sold the 8100's to
> consumers for $12 each, they would still make money off of them!


First of all, your analogy is faulty. HP is the manufacturer of=20
PDA's. Sprint PCS is *not* the manufacturer of cell phones.

Second of all, that's still irrelevant. Once more, you made the=20
promise. If you didn't cancel within 14 days (and you didn't), then=20
you'd be accepting the termination fee or the 2-year commitment.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

The Babynous Cult <[email protected]> wrote:
> Your're all making it sound like Sprint in all of it's
> Magnitomity (?) is loosing money on me every month when i
> pay my monthly service fee...

I don't think that's the way it was meant, and you signed a contract. Just
like when a former housemate stopped paying rent for the last two months
after moving out. Except that the lease stated that the lessees were
responsible for the entire term (that's always the way leases are written).
I ended up paying twice as much rent as I was supposed to for two months.

I did get my money back from her. Pissed her off, but that's because she
didn't have a clue about how leases work -- not something I need to be
concerned with.


> i can assure you that when, and if they sold the 8100's to
> consumers for $12 each, they would still make money off of them!
>
> is there anyone in this newsgroup that's not an employee of Sprint?

Most of us, troll.

> Thinking Is The Enemy.

Obviously you belive that, because you're not doing a lot of thinking yourself.

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Robert M wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> The Babynous Cult <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Smart Wireless is Charging me $250 for the Phone,
> > What is Sprint charging me $150 for...???
>
> I think whats happening is SprintPCS is charging you $150 ETF, which
> actually does cover the phone, while Smart's charges are for the
> commission they got from Sprint that they now have to pay back.

well, if that were true,
then why should i have to 'recover' their comission,
they didn't earn it,
Smart Wireless betrayed me again & again, not only with they
'devious' sales technique of tricking me ( i am soooo gawd
damn naive! ) into buying a phone that i was not at all
prepared to purchase at that time, and then mishandling the
Credit Deposit that caused sprint to cancel my service twice...!
if they are paid by commissions, then they should earn them,
not by tricking idiots like me into emptying my pockets for
them whenever they ring a bell.

as the phone costing anyone 200+ $, that's just pure crazy talk,
it does some fun things, but it's just a shell with some
electronics in it, the most expensive element is undoubtedly
the LCD display, which is the finest i've seen. Sanyo makes
a nice phone, Sprint Sucks, But the phones manufacturing
cost certainly did not exceed 30$ tops!

sproogles...



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