Using your laptop on the Sprint PCS Network

In article <[email protected]>,
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Robert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Whether one describes the policy as:
> >>
> >> A. Sprint does not consider the policing of casual handset modem use
> >> to
> >> be a high priority,
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> B. Sprint is using a wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy of letting users
> >> use
> >> their cell phone as modem [for casual use],
> >>
> >> the net effect is the same.
> >>
> >> It's a matter of semantics.
> >
> > If its "A", why have a statement in the TOS, that tends to destroy the
> > credibility of the TOS.
>
> No more so than having a specific speed limit on each road, yet most
> cops won't write you a speeding ticket for going 1-9 mph over the limit.
> If you think that destroys credibility in speed limits, so be it.

Wrong analogy. the proper analogy is a car without plates taht can not
be driven at all, but only gets tickets if going over 90 mph.

Its not a speed limit. The Sprint TOS says no use of phone as modem.

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In article <[email protected]>,
"John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "O/Siris" <0siris@sprîntpcs.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> If its "A", why have a statement in the TOS, that tends to destroy the
> >> credibility of the TOS.
> >>
> >> And if its B - why does our lowly (self described) "OUT OF THE LOOP"
> >> Sprint employee insult me for saying so?
> >
> >Because you've repeatedly ignored C.
>
> I thought you subscribed to the "A" theory. What is "C"?

Dont you love his making a fake excuse?

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> >
> >Because you've repeatedly ignored C.
>=20
> I thought you subscribed to the "A" theory. What is "C"?
>=20
>=20

That a certain segment of violators, for now, are being targeted. =20
Like when a highway has everyone doing 70, the police will pull over=20
the one doing 75.

That does not mean the police are condoning 70.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

"Røbert M" wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Robert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> Whether one describes the policy as:
> > >>
> > >> A. Sprint does not consider the policing of casual handset modem use
> > >> to
> > >> be a high priority,
> > >>
> > >> or
> > >>
> > >> B. Sprint is using a wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy of letting users
> > >> use
> > >> their cell phone as modem [for casual use],
> > >>
> > >> the net effect is the same.
> > >>
> > >> It's a matter of semantics.
> > >
> > > If its "A", why have a statement in the TOS, that tends to destroy the
> > > credibility of the TOS.
> >
> > No more so than having a specific speed limit on each road, yet most
> > cops won't write you a speeding ticket for going 1-9 mph over the limit.
> > If you think that destroys credibility in speed limits, so be it.
>
> Wrong analogy. the proper analogy is a car without plates taht can not
> be driven at all, but only gets tickets if going over 90 mph.

So, if you only get stopped going over 90, don't go over 90!

Larry

O/Siris wrote:
> Yeah, actually, we do. I've refused (and still do) to discuss how.
> But we do.
>

Okay, if I install an application like M2Audio, can Sprint tell I'm
using the phone and not a computer?
If my browser's user agent field is modified to resemble that of my
Sprint handset, will they be able to tell?
-mike

In article <[email protected]>,
Lawrence Glasser <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Røbert M" wrote:
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Robert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> Whether one describes the policy as:
> > > >>
> > > >> A. Sprint does not consider the policing of casual handset modem
> > > >> use
> > > >> to
> > > >> be a high priority,
> > > >>
> > > >> or
> > > >>
> > > >> B. Sprint is using a wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy of letting
> > > >> users
> > > >> use
> > > >> their cell phone as modem [for casual use],
> > > >>
> > > >> the net effect is the same.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's a matter of semantics.
> > > >
> > > > If its "A", why have a statement in the TOS, that tends to destroy the
> > > > credibility of the TOS.
> > >
> > > No more so than having a specific speed limit on each road, yet most
> > > cops won't write you a speeding ticket for going 1-9 mph over the limit.
> > > If you think that destroys credibility in speed limits, so be it.
> >
> > Wrong analogy. the proper analogy is a car without plates taht can not
> > be driven at all, but only gets tickets if going over 90 mph.
>
> So, if you only get stopped going over 90, don't go over 90!

Fine for a car. The problem is back with SprintPCS.

The TOS says its against the rules. Everyone from SprintPCS, says
go ahead and do it for causal use. WINK-WINK-NUDGE-NUDGE.
Sprint could easily get it shut off if it wanted to, if it really can
tell the difference as Osiris says they do.


And then at some secret high level, they'll cut off your Vision account,
and charge you at $.01 per Kilobyte or $10/Meg or $10,000 /per Gigabyte;
not cheap.

"Røbert M" wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Fine for a car. The problem is back with SprintPCS.
>
> The TOS says its against the rules. Everyone from SprintPCS, says
> go ahead and do it for causal use. WINK-WINK-NUDGE-NUDGE.
> Sprint could easily get it shut off if it wanted to, if it really can
> tell the difference as Osiris says they do.
>
> And then at some secret high level, they'll cut off your Vision account,
> and charge you at $.01 per Kilobyte or $10/Meg or $10,000 /per Gigabyte;
> not cheap.

I fail to see where this unspoken policy warrants any complaints.

We prefer that you not use your phone as a modem. If you use it in
this manner, just a little, we'll ignore it. If, however, you abuse
this little favor, you're busted.

Would you prefer that Sprint bust everyone?

Larry

In article <[email protected]>,
Lawrence Glasser <[email protected]> wrote:

> I fail to see where this unspoken policy warrants any complaints.
>
> We prefer that you not use your phone as a modem. If you use it in
> this manner, just a little, we'll ignore it. If, however, you abuse
> this little favor, you're busted.
>
> Would you prefer that Sprint bust everyone?

I prefer that Sprint PCS employees not call me a LIAR for pointing out
what we both just agreed to, and emphasizing that the TOS says no use is
allowed, and pretending the wink-wink-nudge-nudge use it a little if you
like policy doesn't exist.

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
>=20
> I prefer that Sprint PCS employees not call me a LIAR for pointing out=20
> what we both just agreed to, and emphasizing that the TOS says no use is=
=20
> allowed, and pretending the wink-wink-nudge-nudge use it a little if you=
=20
> like policy doesn't exist.
>=20

That isn't why you're a liar, Phill. It's your deliberate=20
misquoting, continued ignoring of alternative explanations, and=20
claims of only posting information when, in fact, you include=20
opinion.

Going to quote someone? Do it accurately and without deliberately=20
changing the meaning.

Going to propose reasons for something? Don't ignore alternatives=20
when presented.

Going to post opinion? Then don't claim it's information.

Those are all things people who aren't liars do regularly. But you=20
do not.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

Actually vision is very GENTLY on the network when not abused

by abused I mean for continious downloads and keeping it alive with pingers
etc..

if you are Respectful of the network the TOWERS are handled very gently.

think about it. there is NO CONNECTION established mere seconds after you
stop moving data. the connection is paused (arows are dim) no traffic
occurs.

thi sis 99% of a respectful connection. you connect you get your mail. thats
it. while your reading your mail you are sending ZERO data and using ZERO
network bandwidth.

when I do website I load up 6 or 7 site at the same time in the background.
I then spend the next 10 to 30 minutes READING those pages that are now
downloaded using NO network bandwidth (especially handy for site like ebay
etc..)

I can see where the server infrustructure could be overloaded. but not the
towers so long as you do not abuse the system.

I am with sprint for 2 reasons. $15 vision for my laptop and my Sanyo 6400

no other reason. I do not make many voice calls. I have 400 mintues and
barely use 200 a month most of the time sometimes far less. I do not think I
have ever used more than 500 minutes of my night and weekend :-)

the day they stop letting me use vision is the last day I have a reason to
stay with sprint. hopefully that day will be some time from now.

Chris Taylor
http://www.zodiacreview.com/


>
> I know you're just speaking as the messenger, but I'm curious
> about it nonetheless. It seems to me that Vision itself does stressing
> not previously possible. I realize that that's difference throughput
> and bandwith though than a huge download or multi-hour browser fest
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Chris Taylor Jr" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Actually vision is very GENTLY on the network when not abused
>
> by abused I mean for continious downloads and keeping it alive with pingers
> etc..
>
> if you are Respectful of the network the TOWERS are handled very gently.
>
> think about it. there is NO CONNECTION established mere seconds after you
> stop moving data. the connection is paused (arows are dim) no traffic
> occurs.
>
> thi sis 99% of a respectful connection. you connect you get your mail. thats
> it. while your reading your mail you are sending ZERO data and using ZERO
> network bandwidth.
>
> when I do website I load up 6 or 7 site at the same time in the background.
> I then spend the next 10 to 30 minutes READING those pages that are now
> downloaded using NO network bandwidth (especially handy for site like ebay
> etc..)
>
> I can see where the server infrustructure could be overloaded. but not the
> towers so long as you do not abuse the system.
>
> I am with sprint for 2 reasons. $15 vision for my laptop and my Sanyo 6400
>
> no other reason. I do not make many voice calls. I have 400 mintues and
> barely use 200 a month most of the time sometimes far less. I do not think I
> have ever used more than 500 minutes of my night and weekend :-)
>
> the day they stop letting me use vision is the last day I have a reason to
> stay with sprint. hopefully that day will be some time from now.
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.zodiacreview.com/

Allowing casual use of cell phone as modem is a good thing. It is also
in writing in your TOS as not allowed. This duplicity of this
wink-wink-nudge-nudge is what I object to.

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
>=20
> the day they stop letting me use vision is the last day I have a reason t=
o
> stay with sprint. hopefully that day will be some time from now.
>=20
>=20

I hope so also, Chris. Although I spend a lot of time explaining=20
SPCS's position to the best of my ability, I've also long said I=20
don't agree with it.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
>=20
> Allowing casual use of cell phone as modem is a good thing. It is also=20
> in writing in your TOS as not allowed. This duplicity of this=20
> wink-wink-nudge-nudge is what I object to.
>=20

There is no such policy. It is forbidden. Period. Right now, the=20
radar, so to speak, is set to a certain level. There is *nothing* to=20
keep it from being readjusted once it's done what the admins intend.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

"Bill T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> BTW, I got the MiniSync cable; this is one ingenious gadget.
>
>
> Bill T
>


What's the MiniSync cable, what's its advantage over other cables, and where
can I get it?

--
Kovie
[email protected]zen

"Chris Taylor Jr" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Actually vision is very GENTLY on the network when not abused
>
> by abused I mean for continious downloads and keeping it alive with pingers
> etc..
>
now.
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.zodiacreview.com/
>
>
> >

You have written my thoughts better than I could. In the fall of
2002, having both vzm and sprint service and not using all my
minutes, and with improved roaming on verizon coming online, I began
to feel having 2 lines was not necessary--and was begining to wonder
which to drop--by chanch went into sprint store, and conversation with
the sprint guy, quitely explained the tethered laptop stuff, and I
signed up that day for another sprint line both with $10 --and even
though I now have a better retention plan and the 7pm n&W, if they
force me to stop my minor tethered usage, I too will drop them--and I
am not sure about the present circumstance, but some time ago I read
that the % of customers with vision is very small--I believe that
sprint has used this little bonus very effectively--also the tos that
phillipe keeps bringing up may be sort of like the speed limit---if
speed limites were rigidly enforced, traffic would never get
thru---but like speed traps, quotas etc, there is always that chance
of being busted, whether you are guilty of not. OMO.