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It is my understanding that the voice technology for gsm and tdma
is still 2g. Whereas Sprint PCS and verizon are 3g.


Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
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>>> gsm and tdma are both digital. gsm and tdma are both the same
>>>generation, second.
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>>Last I saw AT&WS called TDMA "Digital", and GSM "New Technology".
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> GSM is still generation 2 (coined 2G) technology. GRPS was an attempt
> to get the 2G technology to near 3G speeds, so it is sometimes referred
> to as 2.5G. Edge is supposedly a true 3G technology. I believe that
> CDMA2000, which Sprint PCS and Verizon Wireless use, is also considered
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Jerome Zelinske <[email protected]> wrote:
> It is my understanding that the voice technology for gsm and tdma
> is still 2g. Whereas Sprint PCS and verizon are 3g.

Sprint and Verizon are 2.5g. The 1x EV-DO service Verizon will be rolling out
(supposedly) later this year is 3g. But PCS Vision and NationalAccess (nee
Express Network) are 2.5g.

Not sure whether 1x EV-DV, which Sprint and Verizon will both deploy in '05 or
'06, will be considered third or fourth generation.

>> to get the 2G technology to near 3G speeds, so it is sometimes referred
>> to as 2.5G. Edge is supposedly a true 3G technology. I believe that
>> CDMA2000, which Sprint PCS and Verizon Wireless use, is also considered
>> a 2.5G technology for the same reasons.

No, that'd be CDMA 1xRTT, the high-speed protocol behind Vision and
NationalAeccss. CDMA2000 was 2G.

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Donkey Agony <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
> Steven J Sobol wrote:
>
>> Aerial/Omnipoint and Powertel were doing GSM in the US in the
>> mid-90's. As was BellSouth, as was SBC Pacific Bell; the
>> Cingular areas that were originally GSM were the former
>> BellSouth DCS and PacBell/NevadaBell Mobility areas.
>
> Don't forget "Sprint Spectrum" -- the GSM network for DC, southern
> Maryland, and northern Virginia -- from '95 to '99. I was amazed that
> there was pretty solid GSM roaming on a trip from DC to Sarasota,
> Florida -- in '98!

Duh. Thanks, I forgot about Sprint Spectrum. Of course, the division of
Sprint that actually owns the network, etc., is still *called* Sprint
Spectrum LP.

> In '99, Sprint "migrated" everyone off the GSM network onto the PCS
> network -- they had to close down the GSM network because of a class
> action lawsuit. I think it's now owned and operated by T-mobile.

Now, this I hadn't heard -- details?

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yes, they do label it that way, as GSM is based upon a form of TDMA and
> is a newer technology. However, they are both 2G technologies, which
> was the point [that you so conveniently clipped].

Duh, I started the thread. You went OT (Off Topic) long ago; and as
often the case injected bad language was injected. Here is the OP in
case you forgot:


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I need someone to explain this to me. AT&T inked a 5 year deal with
Sprint PCS to use the Sprint Wireless PCS network for new service it
will be starting up soon. Sort of like Virgin Mobile does. Could be a
win-win deal.

Then I read this is a "nonexclusive deal" and AT&T is also negotiating
with Nextel and T-Mobile. I'm not aware of any phones that could do
CDMA, GSM and IDEN. The only phone planned that does CDMA and GSM is
designed to roam in Europe on their GSM frequencies, not stateside.

So what might AT&T have up it's sleeve?

In article <[email protected]>, nebby00007
@aol.compants says...
> <unmunged email address removed>
>=20
> is busy changing the subject so no one will notice he didnt know the diff=
erence
> between AT&T and AT&T Wireless.
>=20

Nebby/Phill is busy confirming all over again just how low-class he=20
can be.


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O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

Steven J Sobol wrote:

>> In '99, Sprint "migrated" everyone off the GSM network onto the PCS
>> network -- they had to close down the GSM network because of a class
>> action lawsuit. I think it's now owned and operated by T-mobile.
>
> Now, this I hadn't heard -- details?

The GSM network stayed (i.e., it wasn't removed), but IIRC it was
dormant for a while until Omnipoint picked it up. Omnipoint became
Voicestream, Voicestream became T-mobile.

http://tinyurl.com/24kkl
http://www.wirelessweek.com/article/...edesc=&stt=001
http://tinyurl.com/2qyoe

What's interesting is that apparently this was the first PCS network in
the U.S. I signed up in '96 -- a year after it launched. I have the
same phone number now on my Sprint PCS phone.

If they actually do enforce completely disallowing tethered laptop
usage, I'll probably switch to T-mobile -- and thus back onto the first
PCS network I ever used (and with the same number to boot. Yep, data
speeds will be slower than what I'm getting now, but I really don't use
it enough for that to bother me much. Certainly not enough to justify
purchasing a card and the service with SPCS or VZN.


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Donkey Agony <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>>> network -- they had to close down the GSM network because of a class
>>> action lawsuit. I think it's now owned and operated by T-mobile.
>>
>> Now, this I hadn't heard -- details?
>
> The GSM network stayed (i.e., it wasn't removed), but IIRC it was
> dormant for a while until Omnipoint picked it up. Omnipoint became
> Voicestream, Voicestream became T-mobile.

No, I knew about that. I had no clue there was a lawsuit.


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In article <[email protected]>,
"Donkey Agony" <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> If they actually do enforce completely disallowing tethered laptop
> usage, I'll probably switch to T-mobile

Its disallowed in the TOS, allowed by WINK-WINK-NUDGE-NUDGE, don't over
do it policy.

"Røbert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Donkey Agony" <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
> > If they actually do enforce completely disallowing tethered laptop
> > usage, I'll probably switch to T-mobile
>
> Its disallowed in the TOS, allowed by WINK-WINK-NUDGE-NUDGE, don't over
> do it policy.

So why keep harping on that Phillipe? As you have already said, no one has
posted here that they have lost Vision or been charged extra $$ for the
occasional use. You want it defined, it is defined. As Rob has said, so far
we are under the radar per se.

He also said, quite a few months ago, that those that were busted for over
use, would be sent a warning first by SPCS, and if it continued, Vision or
even the whole account might be cancelled.

Bob

I can't believe where all you guys have taken this thread! I was trying
to make fun of how ATT or ATTWS would relabel useful technical terms
with obfuscating marketing terms, and you're off trying to logically
compare the nonsensical marketing terms, or what's 2G vs 3G, or worse.

Frank Harris wrote:

> Here's what I think will be entertaining to watch: how ATT's marketing
> people will relabel <snip>

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(Bob=A0Smith) wrote:
<<So why keep harping on that Phillipe? As you have already said, no one
has posted here that they have lost Vision or been charged extra $$ for
the occasional use. You want it defined, it is defined. As Rob has said,
so far we are under the radar per se. >>

I believe that it shouldn't be that difficult for Sprint to track data
usage... all the other providers are able to. Why is it so tough for
them to give us accuarate data usage readings so that people who have
questions or concerns can be satisfied? I know that casual users
shouldn't have a reason for concern about going over the limit, but for
arguement sake and for piece of mind, it would just be easier if Sprint
offered this information to those who seek it.

Eric

"Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
(Bob Smith) wrote:
<<So why keep harping on that Phillipe? As you have already said, no one
has posted here that they have lost Vision or been charged extra $$ for
the occasional use. You want it defined, it is defined. As Rob has said,
so far we are under the radar per se. >>

I believe that it shouldn't be that difficult for Sprint to track data
usage... all the other providers are able to. Why is it so tough for
them to give us accuarate data usage readings so that people who have
questions or concerns can be satisfied? I know that casual users
shouldn't have a reason for concern about going over the limit, but for
arguement sake and for piece of mind, it would just be easier if Sprint
offered this information to those who seek it.

Eric
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Just who are you talking about Eric, when you say "questions or concerns"?
Those folks who don't have Vision, or those power users tethered to their
laptops? Just curious.

Mind you, it would be nice if they did provide some data information, but
I'm just a bit leery that SPCS will lower the bar, on what's is unofficially
acceptable for those people who casually tether up (I'm going to trademark
that ...

Bob

(Bob=A0Smith) wrote:
<<Just who are you talking about Eric, when you say "questions or
concerns"? Those folks who don't have Vision, or those power users
tethered to their laptops? Just curious.
Mind you, it would be nice if they did provide some data information,
but I'm just a bit leery that SPCS will lower the bar, on what's is
unofficially acceptable for those people who casually tether up (I'm
going to trademark that ... >>

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was more referring to casual
users who may have "questions and concerns", and if they do, Sprint has
not recourse as how they may get their concerns (about how much data
they have used or how much is acceptable) answered. More specifically,
if someone switches to Sprint from, let's say, AT&T Wireless or
T-Mobile... they are going to be used to tracking their data. Now
signing with Sprint, they are told that they can have unlimited data,
within an acceptable level for casual users. I would think that even
though the new users would have a cushion, some may still be used to
being able to find out how much data they have used per month... even if
just for their own personal knowledge... just because the other
providers had been able to supply that information at the customer's
request. A new user may be somewhat confused and/or skeptical when they
find out Sprint does not or can not track this information.

Of course, this is all a moot point, but still something to consider
when you are looking at Sprint in comparison to other providers. Some
people are so anal that tracking data, which may seem immaterial to
some... is very important to others.

Eric

Eric, it sure would be nice if you used a real newsreader. When ever one
replies to your posts, it's hard to see who says what, without a ">" or some
character on the left side of your comments.


"Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
(Bob Smith) wrote:
<<Just who are you talking about Eric, when you say "questions or
concerns"? Those folks who don't have Vision, or those power users
tethered to their laptops? Just curious.
Mind you, it would be nice if they did provide some data information,
but I'm just a bit leery that SPCS will lower the bar, on what's is
unofficially acceptable for those people who casually tether up (I'm
going to trademark that ... >>

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was more referring to casual
users who may have "questions and concerns", and if they do, Sprint has
not recourse as how they may get their concerns (about how much data
they have used or how much is acceptable) answered. More specifically,
if someone switches to Sprint from, let's say, AT&T Wireless or
T-Mobile... they are going to be used to tracking their data. Now
signing with Sprint, they are told that they can have unlimited data,
within an acceptable level for casual users.

Then Bob replied -

I don't know what memos have been passed down from SPCS Corporate, but I
doubt the salespersons are telling anyone officially they can "casually
tether up" the phone. For use on the phone only ... yes, but not tethered..
They might have in the past when Vision was first introduced, but I don't
know if they are now.

Then Eric originally said -

I would think that even
though the new users would have a cushion, some may still be used to
being able to find out how much data they have used per month... even if
just for their own personal knowledge... just because the other
providers had been able to supply that information at the customer's
request. A new user may be somewhat confused and/or skeptical when they
find out Sprint does not or can not track this information.

Of course, this is all a moot point, but still something to consider
when you are looking at Sprint in comparison to other providers. Some
people are so anal that tracking data, which may seem immaterial to
some... is very important to others.

Then Bob replied -

The only reason anyone would need to track data usage, is if they are paying
for it ... No need to track it if you aren't getting charged for it.

Bob

(Bob=A0Smith) wrote:
> Eric, it sure would be nice if you used a real
> newsreader. When ever one replies to your
> posts, it's hard to see who says what, without
> a ">" or some character on the left side of
> your comments.

Yeah, webtv isn't a real newsreader. But its all I can afford. My
only hope is that even though it is a webtv, I can still be a worthy
poster to this group.

Eric