Veldhouse- disgrace of USENET

"Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > OK Scott, if Sprint is not a WLNP loser, you show me proof it isnt?
> > >
> > > It'll be a long wait, because
> > >
> > > SPRINT PCS is a WLNP LOSER.
> >
> > You made the initial statement- the proof is yours to provide.
>
> You deny it, come up with any authoritative URL other than a personal
> denial.

I have made my point in other threads, with the facts included. You're such
a Google expert- find them.

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"Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > [email protected] (Røbert M) wrote:
> > <<OK Scott, if Sprint is not a WLNP loser, you show me proof it isnt?
> > It'll be a long wait, because
> > SPRINT PCS is a WLNP LOSER. >>
> >
> > And Sprint looks to want to be a WLNP loser when it goes nationwide
> > soon... by pushing F&F over F&C for personal consumers... taking away
> > free Vision for customers with plans $100 and over... taking away free
> > PCS2PCS in exchange for two-year agreements...
> >
> > I hope they do better than I predict... I really do, but I often wonder
> > why Sprint has made some of the decisions it has made recently.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > I don't have a clue how much SPCS pays for in house and outside
professional
> > marketing, but it's a ton. At this time, those folks have determined
this is
> > the best direction for them to take. What's more, they haven't stopped
> > offering F & C.
>
> Sprint just had a press release saying they are DOUBLING their
> expenditures for advertising so they can attempt to explain F&F.

THe press release doesn't say that.

[email protected] (R=F8bert=A0M) wrote:
> Sprint just had a press release saying they
> are DOUBLING their expenditures for
> advertising so they can attempt to explain
> F&F.

Good. They need to... and they also need to remember not to push F&C to
the wayside and try and promote it as Business plans. There are lots of
folks who would still benefit from F&C as well as ones who would benefit
from F&F.

Eric

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Eric) wrote:

> [email protected] (Røbert*M) wrote:
> > Sprint just had a press release saying they
> > are DOUBLING their expenditures for
> > advertising so they can attempt to explain
> > F&F.
>
> Good. They need to... and they also need to remember not to push F&C to
> the wayside and try and promote it as Business plans. There are lots of
> folks who would still benefit from F&C as well as ones who would benefit
> from F&F.
>
> Eric

But Osiris said thats exactly whats happening. F&C for business,
F&F for the consumers.

Røbert M wrote:

>
> SPRINT PCS is a WLNP LOSER.

You state it , now prove it ... we're waiting .
taps foot .... well ?

Frank

Eric wrote:

> [email protected] (Røbert M) wrote:
> <<OK Scott, if Sprint is not a WLNP loser, you show me proof it isnt?
> It'll be a long wait, because
> SPRINT PCS is a WLNP LOSER. >>
>
> And Sprint looks to want to be a WLNP loser when it goes nationwide
> soon... by pushing F&F over F&C for personal consumers... taking away
> free Vision for customers with plans $100 and over... taking away free
> PCS2PCS in exchange for two-year agreements...
>
> I hope they do better than I predict... I really do, but I often wonder
> why Sprint has made some of the decisions it has made recently.
>
> Eric


Agreed , I think they are going in the wrong direction.
I hope they see it and correct it soon.

On another note I hope Phil is reading this, because this is a great
example of how you point out and discuss a grievance about a company.
Not the Attack , mode he so often use's.


Jim

Røbert M wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>[email protected] (Røbert M) wrote:
>><<OK Scott, if Sprint is not a WLNP loser, you show me proof it isnt?
>>It'll be a long wait, because
>>SPRINT PCS is a WLNP LOSER. >>
>>
>>And Sprint looks to want to be a WLNP loser when it goes nationwide
>>soon... by pushing F&F over F&C for personal consumers... taking away
>>free Vision for customers with plans $100 and over... taking away free
>>PCS2PCS in exchange for two-year agreements...
>>
>>I hope they do better than I predict... I really do, but I often wonder
>>why Sprint has made some of the decisions it has made recently.
>>
>>Eric
>>
>>I don't have a clue how much SPCS pays for in house and outside professional
>>marketing, but it's a ton. At this time, those folks have determined this is
>>the best direction for them to take. What's more, they haven't stopped
>>offering F & C.
>
>
> Sprint just had a press release saying they are DOUBLING their
> expenditures for advertising so they can attempt to explain F&F.

Makes sense, I understand they have been getting feedback that people
are confused.
If this is the case shouldn't they then try to do a better job of
explaining it ?

Frank

Røbert M wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>OK Scott, if Sprint is not a WLNP loser, you show me proof it isnt?
>>>
>>>It'll be a long wait, because
>>>
>>>SPRINT PCS is a WLNP LOSER.
>>
>>You made the initial statement- the proof is yours to provide.
>
>
> You deny it, come up with any authoritative URL other than a personal
> denial.

Come up with any authoritative url other your opinion , and at least
be sure it does actually say they lost this time.


Frank

"Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

<snipped >
> > I don't have a clue how much SPCS pays for in house and outside
professional
> > marketing, but it's a ton. At this time, those folks have determined
this is
> > the best direction for them to take. What's more, they haven't stopped
> > offering F & C.
>
> Sprint just had a press release saying they are DOUBLING their
> expenditures for advertising so they can attempt to explain F&F.

I know that they allocated $100,000,000 for advertising, but I'm not talking
about advertising. I was talking about the analysts who developed the idea,
from their marketing surveys, before they decided to add this plan to offer
to the public. The folks that did the marketing surveys, the number
crunchers to determine whether this will be profitable.

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> <snipped >
> > > I don't have a clue how much SPCS pays for in house and outside
> professional
> > > marketing, but it's a ton. At this time, those folks have determined
> this is
> > > the best direction for them to take. What's more, they haven't stopped
> > > offering F & C.
> >
> > Sprint just had a press release saying they are DOUBLING their
> > expenditures for advertising so they can attempt to explain F&F.
>
> I know that they allocated $100,000,000 for advertising, but I'm not talking
> about advertising. I was talking about the analysts who developed the idea,
> from their marketing surveys, before they decided to add this plan to offer
> to the public. The folks that did the marketing surveys, the number
> crunchers to determine whether this will be profitable.

It's one thing to come up with a new innovative plan. It's another to
promote it to the exclusion of all other plans when its not suitable for
everyone.

"Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[email protected] (Røbert M) wrote:
<<OK Scott, if Sprint is not a WLNP loser, you show me proof it isnt?
It'll be a long wait, because
SPRINT PCS is a WLNP LOSER. >>

<And Sprint looks to want to be a WLNP loser when it goes nationwide
soon... by pushing F&F over F&C for personal consumers... taking away
free Vision for customers with plans $100 and over... taking away free
PCS2PCS in exchange for two-year agreements...>

But that's not different than what most others are doing for NEW customers
(which any porting customer is going to be). Verizon is tightening up their
credit requirements, Cingular is sitting back trying to figure out how they
are going to make up the revenue loss now that ATTW is a dead carrier,
T-Mobile is making prepaid more attractive, but not doing much with postpay
pricing, and Nextel is Nextel- getting ready to push out some new features
and phones, but at a price. Nobody is making that killer deal to the new
consumer on pricing, and everybody is pushing two year agreements. Features
that were once free are disappearing for new customers all over the place,
or those that were free now come at an additional price.

F&F is something brand new, not just to Sprint, but to the entire US
industry. It certainly doesn't work for everyone in its current package,
but the potential is there to expand it. Right now, they are marketing to
the low end user- the day may come when they have a 1000 minute plan with
buckets available cheaper than they are now. Remember- this is not meant to
replace an 800 minute plan, but more to eliminate the sticker shock when a
low minute user goes over their plan alottment. Any comparison to an 800
minute plan is not the intent, and of course will show that F&F is more
expensive. Any salesman that pushes this over F&C is a moron- commissions
will be based on the base plan, not the number of minutes used. Let them
advertise the hell out of it- it puts another option under the consumer's
nose and gets the Sprint name some press.

"Røbert M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> It's one thing to come up with a new innovative plan. It's another to
> promote it to the exclusion of all other plans when its not suitable for
> everyone.

But I have to see that one plan that is suitable for everyone else. No
carrier has a single plan that is good for everyone. When Verizon came out
with their crappy PTT, that was all you saw for weeks- its not for everyone.

I don't see the other plans going away- they are still an option. So Sprint
is going to focus their advertising on a plan that offers low users an
option, and offer the comapny the potential for some high margin revenue.
Where is the problem?

(Scott=A0Stephenson) wrote:
> I don't see the other plans going away- they
> are still an option. So Sprint is going to focus
> their advertising on a plan that offers low
> users an option, and offer the comapny the
> potential for some high margin revenue.
> Where is the problem?

The problem is when I overhear Sprint reps pushing F&F to a new
potential customer, the customer makes a comment on how the plans seem a
little high in price... and then the rep making *no* mention of the F&C
plans, which are fixed minute plans, but lower in rate. O/Siris has
already stated that Sprint plans to push F&F as consumer plans and F&C
as business plans. I think that will become a problem as people shop
around for good deals if a Sprint rep does not make the customer aware
of the regular F&C plans.

Eric

"Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
(Scott Stephenson) wrote:
> I don't see the other plans going away- they
> are still an option. So Sprint is going to focus
> their advertising on a plan that offers low
> users an option, and offer the comapny the
> potential for some high margin revenue.
> Where is the problem?

<The problem is when I overhear Sprint reps pushing F&F to a new
potential customer, the customer makes a comment on how the plans seem a
little high in price... and then the rep making *no* mention of the F&C
plans, which are fixed minute plans, but lower in rate. O/Siris has
already stated that Sprint plans to push F&F as consumer plans and F&C
as business plans. I think that will become a problem as people shop
around for good deals if a Sprint rep does not make the customer aware
of the regular F&C plans.>

This will be a self correcting error. Sales will recognize that commissions
are down if they take this approach, as potential customers will point out
the better deal they can get from another carrier- a deal that F&C will
compete with.

(Scott=A0Stephenson) wrote:
> This will be a self correcting error. Sales will
> recognize that commissions are down if they
> take this approach, as potential customers
> will point out the better deal they can get from
> another carrier- a deal that F&C will compete
> with.

I hope so... I don't want to see Sprint fail, but I just think they are
doing some really odd things right around the time when WLNP goes
nationwide that is not good in trying to attract customers.

I still don't understand why Sprint does not push the 7pm nights as much
anymore in their advertising... or make a big deal about unlimited
mobile-to-mobile calling that they have had for quite awhile now. Sure,
it costs $5/month, but it at least gets potential customers aware that
Verizon is not the only one who offers this.

Eric