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  1. #16
    Michelle Steiner
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    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    RØß Vargas <robjvargas@comcâst.net> wrote:

    > Hopefully, I've made what I understand to be so more clear for you,
    > Steve. And maybe someone with better knowledge of Verizon's history
    > can either confirm or refute my understanding of how Verizon's
    > network works (or, at least, how it did work at one time in the
    > past).


    If you're out of your home area, but within the scope of Verizon's
    free-roaming area, you'll get one roaming indicator (it depends on the
    phone), but won't be charged roaming charges. If you're not within the
    scope of Verizon's free-roaming area, you'll get a different roaming
    indicator, and will be charged roaming charges.

    On my phone, the difference between the two indicators is whether the
    indicator is solid or it blinks.

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  2. #17
    IMHO
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    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.


    "Dan Albrich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > That the bought-up nature of some Verizon areas
    > was such that, even as a Verizon customer, you could be roaming (and
    > your phone would actually indicate roaming) even while using the
    > Verizon network.
    > ---
    >
    > Yep, that's correct. For example, back in 2000, My Verizon phone roamed

    in
    > Linn and Benton counties on you guessed it - Verizon. This was part of

    the
    > growing pains of combining multiple cell phone companies under one name,
    > each using different hardware for switching and other infostructure. This
    > particular problem has long since been "fixed" at least superficially --

    my
    > phone now shows Verizon, non-roaming. There is a SID and NID boundry

    which
    > for whatever reasons coincide with folks dropping calls when driving

    through
    > this area. Given that both are native Verizon, you'd think they could

    work
    > out the hand-off issues, but they never have.
    >
    > One example of different hardware effecting feature availability: Eugene
    > Oregon has old Motorola switches which cannot adjust the amount of time

    (or
    > rings) that you hear before going to voicemail. Portland and Salem Oregon
    > use Lucent switches which can adjust the amount of time, and number of

    rings
    > prior to going to voicemail. Verizon is sometimes jokingly called

    "version"
    > wireless because features are not consistent across the country.
    >
    > This situation is getting better over time, as you would expect. For the
    > most part, my phone works fine anytime I'm on Verizon's native network

    these
    > days. Roaming on other CDMA carriers is somewhat frustrating as it is
    > anything but transparent. When I roam, even digitally, I tend to lose

    voice
    > mail indication, SMS text messaging, data, and in some cases even lose
    > caller ID. I can roam and place and receive calls, but that's the only
    > roaming function that is guarenteed to work. By comparison, both AT&T

    TDMA,
    > and GSM has for years provided completely seemless roaming-- all features
    > work so well you don't really even need to know you're roaming. GSM folks
    > even get data when roaming. Maybe the CDMA carriers will someday have
    > seemless roaming.
    >
    > -Dan
    >
    > PS: Lots of things got a whole lot better in the last couple years when
    > Verizon converted their nationwide coverage to digital. When we had a lot

    of
    > analog areas, things got pretty iffy even for very basic service (like
    > receiving calls reliably).
    >
    > --
    > Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    > http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >
    >

    Question: When roaming in analog, do all the AT&T TDMA and GSM features
    work?

    I have roamed with digital CDMA coverage in KS and everything except EN/MOU
    worked - qnc even worked. Digital CDMA coverage around here is almost
    everywhere. When checking most non-CDMA carriers around here roam in analog
    over most of the state.





  3. #18
    Dan Albrich
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    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.

    > Question: When roaming in analog, do all the AT&T TDMA and GSM features
    > work?


    No. That is to say that when in analog, your choice of carrier doesn't
    influence the quality of roaming in a strict sense (note this doesn't
    include the case where digital and analog are both provided by your carrier,
    which is not roaming).

    So I only mean that TDMA digital had feature transparency even years ago.
    Keep in mind the TDMA carriers had an easy transition from analog to
    digital, and late 1990's could easily claim more digital covearge (as a
    group) nationwide than any single carrier. Since AT&T also pioneered no
    roaming nationwide plans, they really had something special during that time
    period.

    Even today, with GSM, the GSM carriers (including AT&T) have excellent
    feature transparency. This includes caller ID, voicemail indication, SMS
    text capability, and even data access from a laptop (or phone).

    Perhaps this is unclear because Sprint does this better. A Verizon phone,
    when roaming, even digitally on Sprint will lose voicemail indication, SMS,
    data and may even lose caller ID. In fact, the only thing I typically can
    do when roaming is place and receive calls-- I literally get no other
    feature and yes, this absolutely sucks.

    -Dan

    --
    Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    http://cell.uoregon.edu





  4. #19
    RØß Vargas
    Guest

    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]=20
    says...
    > OK, the only way I can see this happening is if you have a 1900MHz phone =

    and=20
    > you travel somewhere where Verizon only has 800MHz - or (more likely) vic=

    e=20
    > versa. They're doing a lot of 1900 MHz *overlays* now, but they used to b=

    e=20
    > mostly 800 MHz, except for the former Primeco markets and the areas in Fl=

    orida=20
    > where there were legacy 1900 MHz networks. For a year or two, VZW stopped=

    =20
    > selling phones that weren't tri-mode phones, so it wasn't an issue.
    >=20


    Steve, have you seen Dan Albrich's response to me? On my newsreader,=20
    it's dated the 25th, 12:15AM. That was what I understood to be so. =20
    Dan says it's no longer so and, if I read it correctly, hasn't been=20
    so for some time. But it *does* sound like the kind of operation=20
    that Sprint was intending to dig at with it's "no roaming on our=20
    network" claim.

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    R=D8=DF
    O/Siris
    ~+~
    "A thing moderately good is not so good=20
    as it ought to be. Moderation in temper=20
    is always a virtue, but moderation in=20
    principle is always a vice."
    Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", 1792



  5. #20
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.

    RØß Vargas wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    > says...
    >
    >>OK, the only way I can see this happening is if you have a 1900MHz phone and
    >>you travel somewhere where Verizon only has 800MHz - or (more likely) vice
    >>versa. They're doing a lot of 1900 MHz *overlays* now, but they used to be
    >>mostly 800 MHz, except for the former Primeco markets and the areas in Florida
    >>where there were legacy 1900 MHz networks. For a year or two, VZW stopped
    >>selling phones that weren't tri-mode phones, so it wasn't an issue.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Steve, have you seen Dan Albrich's response to me?


    Read it an hour or two after I followed up.

    > so for some time. But it *does* sound like the kind of operation
    > that Sprint was intending to dig at with it's "no roaming on our
    > network" claim.


    Sure. I'd imagine that's exactly what it was.



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  6. #21
    d
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    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.

    I've been told by at least 2 different Sprint Reps that this free & clear
    stuff will depend on your city. To expound, Lufkin Texas offers 100
    additional minutes w/o any roaming charges when off the sprint network,
    however, Houston offers up to 1/2 of your anytime minutes off network for
    any additonal minutes. Here in Hereford Texas, NOTHING is offered. Now
    how's that for a marketing mix(up)....

    But did you notice that O/Siris & Bob Smith both miss the question?

    Focus guys, you usually give right on answers. Try again perhaps.
    "DynoSauR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I was thinking about going to sprint at the end of my cingular contract

    and
    > I was looking at the sprintpcs website. I just noticed that there is an
    > option to add "Sprint PCS Free & Clear America" for $5 so I could enjoy no
    > additional charges for roaming. I had been under the impression that was
    > included in the Free and Clear Nationwide plan. Can anyone verify or
    > explain that? I just logged into the site and typed in my zip 38401 and
    > went to the Free and Clear Nationwide link and the 500 minutes for $40 is
    > what I was considering. If I had to pay for roaming in TN every time I

    got
    > away from Sprint's PCS network I don't see where Sprint would be very cost
    > efficient. The majority of the state is in the light green analog roaming
    > as far as Sprint's coverage goes. They cover most of the major

    interstates
    > but, that's about it.
    >
    > Ben
    >
    >
    >







  7. #22
    Bob Smith
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    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.


    "d" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I've been told by at least 2 different Sprint Reps that this free & clear
    > stuff will depend on your city. To expound, Lufkin Texas offers 100
    > additional minutes w/o any roaming charges when off the sprint network,
    > however, Houston offers up to 1/2 of your anytime minutes off network for
    > any additonal minutes. Here in Hereford Texas, NOTHING is offered. Now
    > how's that for a marketing mix(up)....
    >
    > But did you notice that O/Siris & Bob Smith both miss the question?


    First off, Rob (Osiris) did answer twice in this thread ... As for yours
    truly, I also added my two cents on 8-22-04 @ 10:14 AM and 8-23-04 @ 8:52
    AM.

    As for Hereford, TX, I had absolutely no problem finding that Hereford, TX
    is in the Amarillo, TX calling area and F&CA is offered as an option to the
    F & C plans as a $10 option for 100 roaming minutes. The reason why the SPCS
    $5 option is not offered is that the Amarillo market is probably covered by
    one of SPCS affiliate providers.

    So, what was your point again?

    Bob





  8. #23
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.

    d wrote:

    > I've been told by at least 2 different Sprint Reps that this free & clear
    > stuff will depend on your city. To expound, Lufkin Texas offers 100
    > additional minutes w/o any roaming charges when off the sprint network,
    > however, Houston offers up to 1/2 of your anytime minutes off network for
    > any additonal minutes. Here in Hereford Texas, NOTHING is offered. Now
    > how's that for a marketing mix(up)....


    Yes, it does depend on your city. If your city is in an area served by Sprint
    itself, it's 1/2 of your anytime minutes. If you are in an area served by
    another company affiliated with Sprint, the affiliate company is the one that
    maintains the network and markets the service under the Sprint PCS name, and
    you may not be able to get the same deal.

    (And I answered the original question earlier in this thread)

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  9. #24
    O/Siris
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    Re: Free and clear nationwide question.

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > I've been told by at least 2 different Sprint Reps that this free & clear
    > stuff will depend on your city. To expound, Lufkin Texas offers 100
    > additional minutes w/o any roaming charges when off the sprint network,
    > however, Houston offers up to 1/2 of your anytime minutes off network for
    > any additonal minutes. Here in Hereford Texas, NOTHING is offered. Now
    > how's that for a marketing mix(up)....
    >
    > But did you notice that O/Siris & Bob Smith both miss the question?
    >


    I don't believe that I did. By the time I got into it, the conversation
    had shifted slightly.

    F&CA *does* depend on the area in which you establish service.
    Affiliate companies are not required to participate in F&CA, and at
    least one didn't at the time I stopped working for SPCS. All of the
    others went "halfway" with either that 100 minute option, or an even
    smaller 50 minute one. I'd heard that one of the affiliates was
    considering full participation, but never saw it actually go into
    effect.

    --
    RØß
    O/Siris
    -+-
    "A thing moderately good is not so good
    as it ought to be. Moderation in temper
    is always a virtue, but moderation in
    principle is always a vice."

    Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", 1792



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