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  1. #1
    Doug Kanter
    Guest
    For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking the
    question doesn't belong here: Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you might
    be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book about
    antenna theory.

    I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to a
    new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of the
    yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
    service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and came
    away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service and
    try another provider

    1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
    able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
    home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

    2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
    uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
    signal. Likely or not?

    3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone, even
    though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
    pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've made an
    observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
    when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers have
    gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
    arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to also
    kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
    useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
    tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow (turning
    away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort of
    special effects in a B-movie.

    Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio quality
    for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
    equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone who
    has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys. If
    I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
    novel if they could understand me.





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  2. #2
    Bob Smith
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality


    "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking the
    > question doesn't belong here: Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you

    might
    > be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book about
    > antenna theory.
    >
    > I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to a
    > new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of

    the
    > yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
    > service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and came
    > away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service and
    > try another provider
    >
    > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
    > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from

    my
    > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?
    >
    > 2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
    > uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
    > signal. Likely or not?
    >
    > 3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone, even
    > though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
    > pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've made

    an
    > observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
    > when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers

    have
    > gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
    > arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to also
    > kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
    > useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
    > tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow

    (turning
    > away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort

    of
    > special effects in a B-movie.
    >
    > Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio

    quality
    > for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
    > equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone

    who
    > has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys.

    If
    > I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
    > novel if they could understand me.


    The problem could very well be with your old phone. Do you have any family,
    friends or co-horts @ work who use SPCS? If you do, invite them over and she
    whether their new phones show improved coverage to make and receive calls
    throughout the house.

    In saying that, with you just moving, you could have moved into fringe
    coverage as well.

    Maybe you can post a reply, listing out when you live, within a couple of
    near intersections. Someone in the SPCS newsgroup might be close to you and
    provide some information.

    Bob





  3. #3
    Doug Kanter
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality


    "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking

    the
    > > question doesn't belong here: Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you

    > might
    > > be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book

    about
    > > antenna theory.
    > >
    > > I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to

    a
    > > new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of

    > the
    > > yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
    > > service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and

    came
    > > away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service

    and
    > > try another provider
    > >
    > > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was

    actually
    > > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from

    > my
    > > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    > > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    > > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?
    > >
    > > 2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
    > > uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
    > > signal. Likely or not?
    > >
    > > 3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone,

    even
    > > though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
    > > pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've

    made
    > an
    > > observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
    > > when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers

    > have
    > > gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
    > > arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to

    also
    > > kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
    > > useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
    > > tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow

    > (turning
    > > away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort

    > of
    > > special effects in a B-movie.
    > >
    > > Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio

    > quality
    > > for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
    > > equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone

    > who
    > > has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys.

    > If
    > > I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
    > > novel if they could understand me.

    >
    > The problem could very well be with your old phone. Do you have any

    family,
    > friends or co-horts @ work who use SPCS? If you do, invite them over and

    she
    > whether their new phones show improved coverage to make and receive calls
    > throughout the house.
    >
    > In saying that, with you just moving, you could have moved into fringe
    > coverage as well.
    >
    > Maybe you can post a reply, listing out when you live, within a couple of
    > near intersections. Someone in the SPCS newsgroup might be close to you

    and
    > provide some information.
    >
    > Bob
    >
    >


    3 blocks from the junction of route 590 and Empire Blvd in Rochester NY. As
    far as "fringe", I mentioned that the nearest antenna is a mile away over
    flat land.





  4. #4
    John Richards
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality

    "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
    > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
    > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?


    Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to me
    that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
    in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
    There are solutions to your home location reception problem (external
    Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite expensive.

    --
    John Richards



  5. #5
    dxAce
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality



    John Richards wrote:

    > "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
    > > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
    > > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    > > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    > > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

    >
    > Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to me
    > that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
    > in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
    > There are solutions to your home location reception problem (external
    > Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite expensive.


    I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or business), and the other outside,
    connected only by cable. No repeater involved.

    dxAce
    Michigan
    USA





  6. #6
    Doug Kanter
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality


    "dxAce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > John Richards wrote:
    >
    > > "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:[email protected]...
    > > > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was

    actually
    > > > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile

    from my
    > > > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind.

    No
    > > > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    > > > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

    > >
    > > Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to me
    > > that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
    > > in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
    > > There are solutions to your home location reception problem (external
    > > Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite expensive.

    >
    > I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or

    business), and the other outside,
    > connected only by cable. No repeater involved.
    >
    > dxAce
    > Michigan
    > USA
    >
    >


    And this does what? Somehow redirects the cellular signal into the home???





  7. #7
    -=jd=-
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality

    On Mon 11 Oct 2004 11:57:29a, "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]>
    wrote in message news:[email protected]:

    > For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking
    > the question doesn't belong here: Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of
    > you might be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound
    > book about antenna theory.
    >
    > I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to
    > a new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle
    > of the yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of
    > customer service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store
    > today and came away with some questions I need answered before I
    > terminate my service and try another provider
    >
    > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was
    > actually able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a
    > mile from my home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of
    > any kind. No hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says
    > this explains nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or
    > false?
    >
    > 2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
    > uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
    > signal. Likely or not?
    >
    > 3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone,
    > even though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games,
    > digital pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But,
    > I've made an observation over the past few years while listening to the
    > sound quality when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some
    > manufacturers have gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise
    > cancelling arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the
    > phone to also kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course,
    > makes the phone useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high
    > winds, and people tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the
    > wind somehow (turning away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone
    > as opposed to some sort of special effects in a B-movie.
    >
    > Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio
    > quality for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider
    > upgrading equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input
    > from anyone who has been through this and can recommend brands/models
    > which aren't toys. If I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell
    > phone, it would be really novel if they could understand me.
    >
    >


    Doug,

    Look at the amps available from Wilson. It's a solution that won't have you
    tethered to an antenna cable. That *may* be one answer to your situation:

    http://www.wilsonelectronics.com

    You can find these on eBay fairly regularly.

    -=jd=-
    --
    My Current Disposable Email:
    [email protected]
    (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)



  8. #8
    matt weber
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:57:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking the
    >question doesn't belong here: Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you might
    >be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book about
    >antenna theory.
    >
    >I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to a
    >new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of the
    >yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
    >service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and came
    >away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service and
    >try another provider
    >
    >1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
    >able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
    >home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    >hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    >nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

    Maybe. Look at the towers and see what is up their. Typical antenna
    has about a 120 degree beam width, but if one of those beams isn't
    pointing in your general direction, no signal.

    As for improved sensitivity with new technology? BS. Receiver
    technology has changed remarkably little in the past 40 years. The RF
    performance of the handset is mostly related to the antenna design in
    the headset. Some are much better than other. For example some
    relatively Ericsson GSM handsets like the R520M have outstanding RF
    peformance, some newer onces like the T68 were legenady for poor RF
    performance. Has little to do with new or old, everything to do with
    that particular design. Another headset might well give you much
    better performance, but that probably has little to do with whether it
    was a design from 5 years ago or 5 months ago.
    >
    >2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
    >uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
    >signal. Likely or not?
    >
    >3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone, even
    >though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
    >pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've made an
    >observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
    >when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers have
    >gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
    >arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to also
    >kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
    >useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
    >tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow (turning
    >away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort of
    >special effects in a B-movie.
    >
    >Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio quality
    >for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
    >equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone who
    >has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys. If
    >I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
    >novel if they could understand me.
    >

    The design of the CDMA Codec allows the exchange of voice quality for
    network capacity. if you want reliable high quality voice, get rid of
    the CDMA phone. GSM Codec's don't have that feature (it isn't useful
    on a GSM network). You probably should see what sort of GSM signal you
    can get at home. Coverage does vary between carriers.




  9. #9
    Doug Kanter
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality


    "dxAce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > Doug Kanter wrote:
    >
    > > "dxAce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > John Richards wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was

    > > actually
    > > > > > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a

    mile
    > > from my
    > > > > > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any

    kind.
    > > No
    > > > > > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this

    explains
    > > > > > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?
    > > > >
    > > > > Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to

    me
    > > > > that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
    > > > > in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
    > > > > There are solutions to your home location reception problem

    (external
    > > > > Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite

    expensive.
    > > >
    > > > I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or

    > > business), and the other outside,
    > > > connected only by cable. No repeater involved.
    > > >
    > > > dxAce
    > > > Michigan
    > > > USA
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > > And this does what? Somehow redirects the cellular signal into the

    home???
    >
    > What would be your best guess??? ;-)
    >
    > I have no idea whether it works or not.


    Well, not being knowledgable about that kind of antenna, the best guess I
    could make is that it's sort of like wearing aluminum foil inside your hat.
    :-)





  10. #10
    Jerome Zelinske
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality

    Trying a different model at home yourself or having friends try their
    phones at your home is a good idea. For calling the Coast Guard,
    perhaps getting a marine radio would be better.


    Doug Kanter wrote:

    > For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking the
    > question doesn't belong here: Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you might
    > be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book about
    > antenna theory.
    >
    > I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to a
    > new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of the
    > yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
    > service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and came
    > away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service and
    > try another provider
    >
    > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
    > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
    > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?
    >
    > 2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
    > uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
    > signal. Likely or not?
    >
    > 3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone, even
    > though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
    > pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've made an
    > observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
    > when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers have
    > gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
    > arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to also
    > kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
    > useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
    > tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow (turning
    > away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort of
    > special effects in a B-movie.
    >
    > Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio quality
    > for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
    > equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone who
    > has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys. If
    > I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
    > novel if they could understand me.
    >
    >




  11. #11
    Doug Kanter
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality

    I have a marine radio, but I'm obsessive about duplicate safety measures in
    my boat. The yacht is only 14', though, so a permanently mounted radio is
    out of the question. I have a handheld. I keep about two dozen AA batteries
    on board in case the unit's rechargeables go dead, but still....I like
    having the cell phone too.

    "Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Trying a different model at home yourself or having friends try their
    > phones at your home is a good idea. For calling the Coast Guard,
    > perhaps getting a marine radio would be better.
    >
    >
    > Doug Kanter wrote:
    >
    > > For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking

    the
    > > question doesn't belong here: Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you

    might
    > > be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book

    about
    > > antenna theory.
    > >
    > > I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to

    a
    > > new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of

    the
    > > yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
    > > service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and

    came
    > > away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service

    and
    > > try another provider
    > >
    > > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was

    actually
    > > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from

    my
    > > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    > > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    > > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?
    > >
    > > 2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
    > > uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
    > > signal. Likely or not?
    > >
    > > 3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone,

    even
    > > though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
    > > pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've

    made an
    > > observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
    > > when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers

    have
    > > gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
    > > arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to

    also
    > > kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
    > > useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
    > > tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow

    (turning
    > > away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort

    of
    > > special effects in a B-movie.
    > >
    > > Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio

    quality
    > > for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
    > > equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone

    who
    > > has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys.

    If
    > > I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
    > > novel if they could understand me.
    > >
    > >






  12. #12
    David
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    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality

    I used to have crappy coverage (non-existant at home) until I switched
    to Verizon (800 mHz CDMA G3). It works flawlessly.

    You can switch providers and keep your existing number. It's called
    ''porting''. Radio Shack are the experts.



  13. #13
    John Richards
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    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality

    "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >I used to have crappy coverage (non-existant at home) until I switched
    > to Verizon (800 mHz CDMA G3). It works flawlessly.
    >
    > You can switch providers and keep your existing number. It's called
    > ''porting''. Radio Shack are the experts.


    Porting is old news by now. But I would not trust what a Radio Shack
    rep says. Time after time I discovered that I knew more about a
    product than the RS sales clerk.

    --
    John Richards



  14. #14
    Doug Kanter
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality


    "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I used to have crappy coverage (non-existant at home) until I switched
    > to Verizon (800 mHz CDMA G3). It works flawlessly.
    >
    > You can switch providers and keep your existing number. It's called
    > ''porting''. Radio Shack are the experts.


    I'm aware of the porting issue. And, Verizon is known around here for having
    great coverage in rural areas, which Sprint does not.

    This leaves me with evaluating the audio quality of the phones themselves
    (not the network, but the individual phone models).





  15. #15
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality

    Doug Kanter wrote:

    > I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to a
    > new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of the
    > yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
    > service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and came
    > away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service and
    > try another provider
    >
    > 1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
    > able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
    > home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
    > hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
    > nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?


    Resoundly True. Cell sites use directional antennae... in fact in an
    area where buildout is mature, they sort of have to. Cell sites, even
    those that operate on CDMA as Sprint does, are sectorized to reduce
    interference with neighboring cells on different pilot signals.


    > 2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
    > uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
    > signal. Likely or not?


    Actually, very likely. The 7867 is a 5 year old design at least, and
    the network has changed quite a bit since then. The carriers have
    worked to squeeze more capacity out of the network, and in CDMA that
    means a generally higher signal to noise ratio (in CDMA, all other
    conversations happening on the same channel are "noise" to your
    particular handset), and thus greater tolerance requirements for a
    higher noise floor. This has forced chipmakers (mainly Qualcomm) to
    come up with better, more sensitive RF stages for newer handsets.

    The result is your old phone will still work with the present network,
    but not as well as it did four years ago even in the best of
    circumstances. If you put a current-model Sanyo side by side with your
    StarTAC, the Sanyo will probably receive a better signal nearly all of
    the time.

    > 3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone, even
    > though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
    > pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've made an
    > observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
    > when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers have
    > gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
    > arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to also
    > kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
    > useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
    > tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow (turning
    > away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort of
    > special effects in a B-movie.


    Yeah, a casualty of the need to squeeze capacity is sound quality.
    Vocoder ("VOice enCODER") bitrates have gone down, and that means your
    StarTAC which uses a 13kbps vocoder will sound better than the
    8kpbs/variable-rate vocoder on today's phones. However, some phone
    manufacturers are still better than others. A lot of people (including
    myself) swear by the Sanyo models. Samsungs aren't all that great, and
    the jury is still out on LG.

    Of course nothing, not even a StarTAC, beats the sound quality on the
    original Qualcom QCP-2700s that Sprint first started out with back in
    1996. I had one and could swear that phone sounded as good, and
    sometimes even better, than a landline. It was small and light, and it
    was solidly built... if you smashed the 2700 against a brick, my bet
    would be that the phone would win and the brick would lose.

    Sadly, none of that is true with current phones from any wireless
    carrier these days.

    Before jumping ship, I would give the Sanyo 4920 a try. It's the
    descendant of the 4900, which Sprint users have been raving about for a
    while as being the best phone (of current models, anyway) for call
    quality and for holding a signal.

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