Treo 650 vs Blackberry

Notan <[email protected]> wrote:

>Holy ****, John.

Holy **** Nolan

What is it to you?

John

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[email protected] wrote:
>
> Notan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Holy ****, John.
>
> Holy **** Nolan
>
> What is it to you?

I'm a firm believer in "**** or get off the pot."

You've been on the pot for as far back as your posts go.

Notan

Notan <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm a firm believer in "**** or get off the pot."
>
>You've been on the pot for as far back as your posts go.
>
>Notan

I've followed a lot of your posts as well and you never
bring anything to the table

Why do you waste your time?

[email protected] wrote:
>
> Notan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I'm a firm believer in "**** or get off the pot."
> >
> >You've been on the pot for as far back as your posts go.
> >
> >Notan
>
> I've followed a lot of your posts as well and you never
> bring anything to the table
>
> Why do you waste your time?

Goodnight, John.

Notan

But why should I have to pay for a service plan when the repair that was
needed fell under the one year warranty? It should have been repaired for
FREE. When one has to pay for a monthly service plan, the replacement or
repair is not free.

"Joshua Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1124986609.555d767e34e22f09e95e1e7468f82140@teranews...
> $35 to have it replaced? Sounds like you didn't have the Nextel Service
> Plan on your account. That would have covered it.. It did every time I
> needed mine replaced.
>
>
> "Scooterflex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >I don't have a Treo but a Samsung i500 (another Palm Smartphone) and I've
> > had the BB 7510. The BB was without a doubt the worst phone I ever owned
> > and
> > the i500 the best. Not only is the BB a piece of crap but I got a very
> > poor
> > signal and I could not find any decent software for it and the few
titles
> > I
> > did find were extremely expensive. My BB broke twice in a mere four
months
> > and both were warranty repairs that Nextel wanted me to pay $35 to have
> > fixed OR wait two weeks and send it back to RIM for a replacement, not
> > even
> > the same phone. With Sprint whenever I had to bring in a phone for
> > warranty
> > repair the most I had to wait was one day and they gave me a brand new
one
> > with no questions after they checked it out.
> >
> > "Scot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> I've asked this question before but now I have a 650 so it is coming
from
> > a
> >> different angle.
> >>
> >> I am finding that I only use my 650 for e-mail, occasional web and
dates
> >> &
> >> contacts, ok and sometimes a phone. Knowig that do those of you with
> >> experience with both or a Blackberry feel the a move to a Blackberry
> >> would
> >> be a good one or abou the same as the Treo.
> >>
> >> Problems with the treo, poor signal (compared to Sprint phones) fragile
> >> or
> >> so it seems, Occasional reseets while checking mail or web.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

> But I know several people that have
> 7510's and 7520's with Nextel and they have always on, instant PUSH email
as
> well as I do, so I know this isn't a carrier setting. What i'm thinking
> your problem is.. is this.... you are referring to when the BB server (or
> web client) polls other POP email accounts. That can only be done every
15
> minutes as far as I know. Once the server retreives those emails, it then
> PUSHs them to your BB device.

Yeah, I'm not going to give all the pople I know a new email address just
for the BB. I wanted it to be seemless for everyone. I just wanted to be
able to get email and not be at my computer all day. So, yeah, that is every
15 minutes and it cannot be changed. What's the deal with that?

> Rather than using the BB server to poll other
> POP email boxes, why don't you have your other email providers set a
forward
> tag on your emails accounts so that a copy of all incoming email is
> automatically forwarded directly to your
> [email protected] email address, then you won't have
> to wait 15 minutes to receive emails (if that's a problem).

Not sure why I didn't do it this way but I remember there being a reason. I
dropped Nextel back in October after the BB broke the second time in under
four months. I went back to Sprint and haven't looked back.

> I have a Treo 650 with Sprint, using Chatter E-mail and an IMAP mail
account
> on my own person mail server... I also have that BB 7100t on Tmo.
Currently
> I have my mail server set to put all incoming mail both in the IMAP folder
> that the Treo checks and it also forwards all incoming email to my bb
> address. It's 50/50 on which is faster (since they are basically the same
> and they are both PUSH). How-some-ever... they are not the same in the
> sense that my Treo resets itself at least 2-3 times a day, sometimes while
> I'm using it and sometimes while it's sitting in idle not doing anything.
I
> have never, once, yet seen my BB 7100t reset itself.

I don't know what the big deal is about push email. With Snapper mail I set
the client to check my five pop email address every two hours from noon to
eight pm. If I am expecting an email other than those times I open snapper
mail and hit 'send/recieve' and a minute later it disconnects and I have my
email. During those other four times a day it checks it itself so in a way,
that's a push, no? Heck, who cares... push, pull... I still get the email,
that's all that matters and it does it during the times I am not home. My
point... what is the sense of having the BB check and receieve email if
you're sitting in front of your computer? When I had mine, in fact all the
phones I ever had, the phone is always on... 24/7. Why should the battery
drain by checking email when it's not needed? There is no point. No matter
how much you try to convince me I still believe the BBs are poor quality
devices and are designed poorly.

> As for the other stuff.... what do you do with your phone (BB) that it
> breaks every two months?

The first thing that broke was the DC button... I used it litterally four
times in the first two months I had it... warranty repair. The second, the
screen went blank so I couldn't see anything. The phone worked perfectly
except I couldn't see what number I was dialing or anything else on the
screen for that matter. This was another warranty repair that happened two
months after the DC Button thing. Now, Nextel did say that I could send it
to RIM and they won't charge me for the repair but I would have had to pay
for shipping and it would take two weeks. Sorry, I'm paying $120 for voice
and data service, I'm not oaying for shipping AND waiting two weeks for the
repairs to be complete. Any NExtel sefvice center would charge me $35 had I
brought it to them since I didn't pay for the insurance but since it was a
warranty repair, why should I. It should have been replaced or repaired
regardless of weather I paid for the insurance.

>Again, I know several people that have BB 7510's
> from Nextel that have had them for alot longer than 2 months and they
still
> look brank spanking new and work perfectly. One of your problems (IMO) is
> that you're using a BB with Nextel. Nextel is a good service provider if
> you're in a good area.. but they're BB plans are super expensive. If
you're
> wanting a BB for email, you should look at Tmobile. Standalone unlimited
BB
> email (without a voice plan) is $29.99/month... If you add a voice plan,
the
> BB plan drops to $19.99/month for unlimited email.

Sprint Vision plan - $10 per month
Snappermail Premier - $50 one time fee (Enterprise edition $10 more)

> I don't know of any other
> provider that offers BB services for that cheap. And again, as for getting
> charged $35 per repair, just add the $2.99 or whatever it is Nextel
Service
> Plan (NSP) to your account and that will take care of those $35 every 2
> months charges (will it'll cost you $6 instead of $35 for the 2
months)....

Again, why should I have to pay, even as little as $2.99, for a repair that
should (they even told me these were covered) be covered under the warranty?
I shouldn't have to pay a dime.

> Here are some other reasons why the BB (my 7100t) is better than my Treo
> 650.
>
> The last time my BB saw it's charger was 3 days ago.. and it still has one
> bar left.. I should probably charge it tonight.
> The last time my Treo 650 saw it's charger was about 3 hours ago, before I
> left to come to work. This is a repeating even every night (not that it's
a
> problem, but it certainly shows you that the Treo's battery does not last
as
> long as the BB's)

With the 'standard' battery I need to charge my i500 every four or five
days, the slim battery every two or three days and the extended maybe every
seven or eight days. The i500 comes with the slim and standard batteries. I
was lucky to get a day and a half with my 7510... unacceptable in my opinion
for a corporate device. Thank god I don't own a corporation where I needed
something all the time. But I can depend on my i500. If I reset the device
(soft reset now and all data is stiull there) every two weeks, that's a lot.
I have never had to hard reset it where I lost all the data and had to syc
again to get it back.

> The BB has a super stable, rock solid, easy to use OS that does not reset
> out of the blue
> The Treo has a stable, solid, easy to use OS (notice the missing super and
> rock).... and the Treo resets all by itself several times a day

Well, I heard that was one of the problems with the Treo 650. I don't have
those issues with the i500 at all. I might have to do a soft reset once in
two weeks and that's only because I get an error when I try to get on the
net with it.

> The BB's keyboard is easier to type on... even the "weird" 7100t keyboard
is
> quick to type on.
> The Treo's keyboard is very usable, but the keys are quite small. I don't
> have very large fingers and I constantly find myself doubling up on keys.
In
> order to correct this I have to slow myself way way down from what I'm
used
> to.

I don't have a key board on the i500. I use graffitti and it works fine for
me. The keyboard on the BB 7510 was nice, granted but it made the device big
and bulky, I didn't like that large feel on my hip. I don't even notice the
i500 in it's leather case.

> The BB has a scroll wheel... which makes reading/scrolling/searching
through
> long emails a breeze
> The Treo has a 5 way pad, which is usable, but I tell you what... it takes
> alot longer to scroll with the pad than it does with the wheel.
>
> The BB's built in email application works awesomely, flawlessly, and just
> rocks.
> The Treo's built in email application (VersaMail) is a complete joke IMO.
I
> went with Chatter Email for email on my Treo.

I have Versamail onmy TC and thought it was OK but I like Snappermail
better.

> The BB out of the box, gives you the ability to notate a phone call.. this
> is a very handy feature for keeping notes on what happened during a phone
> call, what was talked about, etc etc
> The Treo does not give you this ability without additional software.
>
> BB has a feature called BlackBerry messenger. Basically, it's free IM/two
> way messaging between any and all blackberry users (using their BB pin)...
> same or different service providers, doesn't matter, just need their BB
pin
> to use it.
> The Treo or any other smart phone for that matter does not offer this
> ability.

I use email... I don't need BB Messenger. It;'s the same with SMS messages.
My i500 has SMS capabilities but the software isn't built in, so what. I
downloaded a free app and bnang, now I can sms but it's useless because it
can only go to a phone. If you have a BB and want to send a message to
another BB user what are you using messenger for? If their email is so
fantastic just email them.

I've heard some things wrong with the Treo 650 such as it being unstable and
a few other things but I haven't taken much note since I wouldn't buy it
anyway. The Treo 600 on the other hand I heard is very stable and as I said,
my friend likes his. I don't like the screen on the 600 though, I think it's
not as bright as the i500. The i500 has its drawbacks too, the most of which
is being small (small screen and writing area but this is a plus too) and
having only 16MB of ram (that's all available to the user) and it's running
version 4 of the Palm OS. Other than those I can't see anything wrong with
it. Since I use it as a phone with a Palm built into it I use only apps I
need and my TC as the main mobile device. It works for me, the BB 7510 did
not and I'm sorry I bought it.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Scooterflex" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > use the i500 for
> >stuff I just can't do without.
>
> I see
>
> Not a bad idea.
>
> Maybe I should look into the i500 over the Treo 650?
>
> John

Notan <[email protected]> wrote:

>Goodnight, John.
>
>Notan

Goodnight Notan

Please try to understand that I live on a VERY limited
income. Very tight budget.

Yes I do "think" abt my decisions a long time. I
research them. But my decisions have to be correct as
I don't have the money to just "do over". See?

Maybe you have a very good income and a $500 mistake is
no big deal to you. If that's the case than I'm happy
for you. But that's NOT the case for me.

So I apologize if this bothers you but research is the
cheap part of the process as I have more time than
money.

So thanks for your help but please.... if my posts
bother you.... this is a free country so don't read
them. OK?

This isn't the first time you've "berated" me for my
posts. I've ignored your remarks in the past. So why
the big deal?

Hopefully my questions have helped others who are
trying to make decisions. Most times things are
"argued" into a solution. Debate is good

[email protected] wrote:
>
> Notan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Goodnight, John.
> >
> >Notan
>
> Goodnight Notan
>
> Please try to understand that I live on a VERY limited
> income. Very tight budget.
>
> Yes I do "think" abt my decisions a long time. I
> research them. But my decisions have to be correct as
> I don't have the money to just "do over". See?
>
> Maybe you have a very good income and a $500 mistake is
> no big deal to you. If that's the case than I'm happy
> for you. But that's NOT the case for me.
>
> So I apologize if this bothers you but research is the
> cheap part of the process as I have more time than
> money.
>
> So thanks for your help but please.... if my posts
> bother you.... this is a free country so don't read
> them. OK?
>
> This isn't the first time you've "berated" me for my
> posts. I've ignored your remarks in the past. So why
> the big deal?
>
> Hopefully my questions have helped others who are
> trying to make decisions. Most times things are
> "argued" into a solution. Debate is good

My apologies.

I, too, like to thoroughly (sometimes *too* thoroughly!)
research products before actually purchasing them.

But, sometimes you've gotta just dive in and "do it!"
If you keep asking people what they like, you'll continue
to get different opinions, and never be able to make a
decision for yourself.

While I can understand researching facts and figures,
I find it crazy to ask, for example, "Which should I
buy? A 17" monitor or a 19" monitor?" That's one of
those things that's *completely* a matter of personal
opinion. What are *your* needs? How's *your* vision?
Do *you* like the way the monitor looks?

If you only go by what other people tell you, you'll
never be happy with your choice, and will, more than
likely, blame others for your mistakes.

But, again, you're right... If that's the way you want
to do things, I should stay out of it.

Take care!

Notan

Notan <[email protected]> wrote:

>My apologies.

Apology accepted

I will be more decisive

[email protected] wrote:
>
> Notan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >My apologies.
>
> Apology accepted
>
> I will be more decisive

By all means, keep asking about what people think of products that
you're interested in... That's part of the reason for the existence
of these newsgroups.

But, when it's time to make the final decision, it all up to you!

Take care!

Notan

Scooterflex wrote:
> But why should I have to pay for a service plan when the repair that was
> needed fell under the one year warranty? It should have been repaired for
> FREE. When one has to pay for a monthly service plan, the replacement or
> repair is not free.


Yeah, that's a policy that has never made sense.

However, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but "the New Sprint" is
adopting this policy company wide, including for CDMA customers.
Current Sprint PCS phones will still be serviced under warranty
in-store, but any phones purchased new post-merger will be subject to
the same warranty policy as the "old" Nextel. If you aren't paying
monthly for an equipment service plan, Sprint won't repair it. You can
take it to the phone manufacturer and have them look at it, but given
I've NEVER done that before, I have no idea how that will pan out.




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If that's their plan then my plan will be to find a new carrier. My contract
is up in October so I don't have long to go.

"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Scooterflex wrote:
> > But why should I have to pay for a service plan when the repair that was
> > needed fell under the one year warranty? It should have been repaired
for
> > FREE. When one has to pay for a monthly service plan, the replacement or
> > repair is not free.
>
>
> Yeah, that's a policy that has never made sense.
>
> However, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but "the New Sprint" is
> adopting this policy company wide, including for CDMA customers.
> Current Sprint PCS phones will still be serviced under warranty
> in-store, but any phones purchased new post-merger will be subject to
> the same warranty policy as the "old" Nextel. If you aren't paying
> monthly for an equipment service plan, Sprint won't repair it. You can
> take it to the phone manufacturer and have them look at it, but given
> I've NEVER done that before, I have no idea how that will pan out.
>
>
>
>
> --
> E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
> Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

"Scooterflex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> But I know several people that have
>> 7510's and 7520's with Nextel and they have always on, instant PUSH email
> as
>> well as I do, so I know this isn't a carrier setting. What i'm thinking
>> your problem is.. is this.... you are referring to when the BB server
>> (or
>> web client) polls other POP email accounts. That can only be done every
> 15
>> minutes as far as I know. Once the server retreives those emails, it then
>> PUSHs them to your BB device.
>
> Yeah, I'm not going to give all the pople I know a new email address just
> for the BB. I wanted it to be seemless for everyone. I just wanted to be
> able to get email and not be at my computer all day. So, yeah, that is
> every
> 15 minutes and it cannot be changed. What's the deal with that?
>

You wouldn't have to give out a new email address, that is, if you used your
provider provided email address... such as the
[email protected].... you just have your email provider
forward a copy of all incoming messages to that blackberry address and wham
bam thank you mam, your emails appear instantly on the blackberry.

As for POP checking....It can't be changed because it's their (blackberry's)
mail server that goes out and checks those accounts. Possibly, if you were
running your own blackberry enterprise server you could change that setting
on the server (or allow your bb users to change that setting)... but I
imagine since the providers control it they set it to 15 so that everyone
isn't checking all of their off site accounts every 2 minutes or so :-)

>> Rather than using the BB server to poll other
>> POP email boxes, why don't you have your other email providers set a
> forward
>> tag on your emails accounts so that a copy of all incoming email is
>> automatically forwarded directly to your
>> [email protected] email address, then you won't
>> have
>> to wait 15 minutes to receive emails (if that's a problem).
>
> Not sure why I didn't do it this way but I remember there being a reason.
> I
> dropped Nextel back in October after the BB broke the second time in under
> four months. I went back to Sprint and haven't looked back.
>

Understandably. Though, I never had any issues with Nextel during the 4-1/2
years I was with them... at least not till the end.. and it's wasn't "them"
I had an issue with, it was the signal in the house I moved into. Phone
showed full signal, but no one could hear me.. I could hear them, but they
couldn't hear me... walk outside, and they could hear me just fine... I'm
figureing it was a signal propagation issue (caused by all the darn trees in
the neighborhood I moved into)... figure the signal from the phone just
couldn't push through the house, through the trees and to the tower...
reason I think that is I could hear them perfectly.... but that makes sense
since the tower puts out more power than the phone does :-D

>> I have a Treo 650 with Sprint, using Chatter E-mail and an IMAP mail
> account
>> on my own person mail server... I also have that BB 7100t on Tmo.
> Currently
>> I have my mail server set to put all incoming mail both in the IMAP
>> folder
>> that the Treo checks and it also forwards all incoming email to my bb
>> address. It's 50/50 on which is faster (since they are basically the
>> same
>> and they are both PUSH). How-some-ever... they are not the same in the
>> sense that my Treo resets itself at least 2-3 times a day, sometimes
>> while
>> I'm using it and sometimes while it's sitting in idle not doing anything.
> I
>> have never, once, yet seen my BB 7100t reset itself.
>
> I don't know what the big deal is about push email. With Snapper mail I
> set
> the client to check my five pop email address every two hours from noon to
> eight pm. If I am expecting an email other than those times I open snapper
> mail and hit 'send/recieve' and a minute later it disconnects and I have
> my
> email. During those other four times a day it checks it itself so in a
> way,
> that's a push, no? Heck, who cares... push, pull... I still get the email,
> that's all that matters and it does it during the times I am not home. My
> point... what is the sense of having the BB check and receieve email if
> you're sitting in front of your computer? When I had mine, in fact all the
> phones I ever had, the phone is always on... 24/7. Why should the battery
> drain by checking email when it's not needed? There is no point. No matter
> how much you try to convince me I still believe the BBs are poor quality
> devices and are designed poorly.
>

The big deal about PUSH email is that you get your email almost (in most
cases) instantly. Rather than having to wait for it. Some people want and
some people need this type of connectivity. Not everyone has or wants
instant messaging capabilities, and 3, 4, 5, etc way calls just aren't
feesible to do all day long. But if everyone can email, and do it
instantly, then everyone can know what's going on right then. Much easier to
send an email (TO or CC or BCC) to multiple people... they get it within
seconds and reply (if they need to) within a few more seconds or minutes...
rather than waiting hours... The other advantage to PUSH, ontop of getting
your email instantly, is that it doesn't really drain the battery. I
imagine most if not all of these services offing PUSH email are using IMAP
which has a NOTIFY command. Basically the device has a data connection to
the server... the data connection for the most part is always idle, until
the server sends out a NOTIFY to the device, at which point the device polls
for emails waiting... So you're not spending time, battery power or anything
checking email.. it just appears when it arrives thanks to that nice NOTIFY
command. (again, I don't know for positive, but I am imagining that most
PUSH services use IMAP technology for their PUSHing).

I can't agree with you on the BB's being built poorly. Maybe the Nextel's
were, or the ones that you managed to get ahold of were from a bad batch.. I
don't know..., but I've delt with alot of people that are very hard on their
phones and they havn't had any issues with their BB's.

Course, if you did want PUSH emal, you could do it with you i500 as long as
you had a program that supported IMAP and you had an IMAP email box
somewhere.

>> As for the other stuff.... what do you do with your phone (BB) that it
>> breaks every two months?
>
> The first thing that broke was the DC button... I used it litterally four
> times in the first two months I had it... warranty repair. The second, the
> screen went blank so I couldn't see anything. The phone worked perfectly
> except I couldn't see what number I was dialing or anything else on the
> screen for that matter. This was another warranty repair that happened two
> months after the DC Button thing. Now, Nextel did say that I could send it
> to RIM and they won't charge me for the repair but I would have had to pay
> for shipping and it would take two weeks. Sorry, I'm paying $120 for voice
> and data service, I'm not oaying for shipping AND waiting two weeks for
> the
> repairs to be complete. Any NExtel sefvice center would charge me $35 had
> I
> brought it to them since I didn't pay for the insurance but since it was a
> warranty repair, why should I. It should have been replaced or repaired
> regardless of weather I paid for the insurance.
>

While I agree with you on the fact that it should have been replaced, I also
agree with the fact of where Nextel stands.. The phone is warranteed by the
manufacturer (RIM), and they were willing to replace it, though you'd have
to pay for shipping.. that I think is piss poor.. any manufacturer that
offers a warranty should be willing to cover the shipping on that item..
especially if the issue is a manufactuer defect... But in the sense of
Nextel.. this is why they offer the $2.99/month Nextel Service Plan... it
enables you to take your phone to a Nextel service center, get it swapped,
and they'll deal with the issue of getting the unit back to the manufac for
the warranty repair.. all along you don't have to wait for the replacement
(2 weeks from RIM) and you don't have to worry about shipping costs or any
of that other "political" crap... after all, the fact that the unit doesn't
work isn't Nextel's fault.. it's RIM's... But I do understand what you were
saying... it's just a difference of opinion on how you look at who should do
what..

>>Again, I know several people that have BB 7510's
>> from Nextel that have had them for alot longer than 2 months and they
> still
>> look brank spanking new and work perfectly. One of your problems (IMO)
>> is
>> that you're using a BB with Nextel. Nextel is a good service provider if
>> you're in a good area.. but they're BB plans are super expensive. If
> you're
>> wanting a BB for email, you should look at Tmobile. Standalone unlimited
> BB
>> email (without a voice plan) is $29.99/month... If you add a voice plan,
> the
>> BB plan drops to $19.99/month for unlimited email.
>
> Sprint Vision plan - $10 per month
> Snappermail Premier - $50 one time fee (Enterprise edition $10 more)
>

I never said BB was cheaper :-D

>> I don't know of any other
>> provider that offers BB services for that cheap. And again, as for
>> getting
>> charged $35 per repair, just add the $2.99 or whatever it is Nextel
> Service
>> Plan (NSP) to your account and that will take care of those $35 every 2
>> months charges (will it'll cost you $6 instead of $35 for the 2
> months)....
>
> Again, why should I have to pay, even as little as $2.99, for a repair
> that
> should (they even told me these were covered) be covered under the
> warranty?
> I shouldn't have to pay a dime.
>

As I stated above, the repair is covered under warranty.. RIM's warranty..
it's too bad RIM makes their customers pay shipping when the issue is a
manufacturer defect... but that's how RIM does it... Again, you can't blame
Nextel for this, they just provide you with service. But for that mere
price of $2.99/month, you wouldn't have to worry about anything.. as long as
the device has no water or physical damage to it, Nextel will take care of
the replacement with RIM and they'll gladly give you a replacement handset
so you can be on your way without having to wait the 2 weeks that RIM quoted
you.

>> Here are some other reasons why the BB (my 7100t) is better than my Treo
>> 650.
>>
>> The last time my BB saw it's charger was 3 days ago.. and it still has
>> one
>> bar left.. I should probably charge it tonight.
>> The last time my Treo 650 saw it's charger was about 3 hours ago, before
>> I
>> left to come to work. This is a repeating even every night (not that
>> it's
> a
>> problem, but it certainly shows you that the Treo's battery does not last
> as
>> long as the BB's)
>
> With the 'standard' battery I need to charge my i500 every four or five
> days, the slim battery every two or three days and the extended maybe
> every
> seven or eight days. The i500 comes with the slim and standard batteries.
> I
> was lucky to get a day and a half with my 7510... unacceptable in my
> opinion
> for a corporate device. Thank god I don't own a corporation where I needed
> something all the time. But I can depend on my i500. If I reset the device
> (soft reset now and all data is stiull there) every two weeks, that's a
> lot.
> I have never had to hard reset it where I lost all the data and had to syc
> again to get it back.
>

Nextel phones eat batteries.. that's nothing new. Not sure if it's because
they're operated at a lower band or if it's just cause Nextel loves eating
battery acid :-D... I'm in the habbit of just charging my phone every night
anyway... everything I've read about LiIon batteries has stated that they
work better the more you keep them fully charged.. and to my experience,
that has proven true. So I continue on my path of when ever i'm near a
charger, the phone gets plugged in (unless i'm only going to be by the
charger for a couple minutes... .then I skip it)

>> The BB has a super stable, rock solid, easy to use OS that does not reset
>> out of the blue
>> The Treo has a stable, solid, easy to use OS (notice the missing super
>> and
>> rock).... and the Treo resets all by itself several times a day
>
> Well, I heard that was one of the problems with the Treo 650. I don't have
> those issues with the i500 at all. I might have to do a soft reset once in
> two weeks and that's only because I get an error when I try to get on the
> net with it.
>

Yea.. I've never had to reset my i500 either.. course I only use it for a
wireless modem for my laptop... never as a phone and it doesn't have any
applications other than stock loaded on it... again, it's just used for a
modem :-D

I only have issues with my Treo when I've loaded a butt load of software on
it. If I stick to only what's needed then it's all good.. It occasionally
resets with other software on it.. but that's due to the way the programs
are written that i'm using... If I hard reset the Treo and only use the
stock programs (for email) then I seem to never have issues with it
resetting. But I'm one of those that has to have multiple programs going at
once, and I hate VersaMail.... so I have ChatterEmail for email, VeriChat
for IMing, pssh for remote server control access, upIRC for IRC chatting
(when i'm bored).... I have much more loaded on there, and I only have about
1 reset every now and then (every other day or so)... I'm used to it... and
it only does it on that Treo.. and i'm sure it's because the programs
(non-palm created) are fighting... so the device just says "screw you all,
go away" and reboots :-D

>> The BB's keyboard is easier to type on... even the "weird" 7100t keyboard
> is
>> quick to type on.
>> The Treo's keyboard is very usable, but the keys are quite small. I
>> don't
>> have very large fingers and I constantly find myself doubling up on keys.
> In
>> order to correct this I have to slow myself way way down from what I'm
> used
>> to.
>
> I don't have a key board on the i500. I use graffitti and it works fine
> for
> me. The keyboard on the BB 7510 was nice, granted but it made the device
> big
> and bulky, I didn't like that large feel on my hip. I don't even notice
> the
> i500 in it's leather case.
>

I've become accustomed to using a qwerty keyboard.. I don't know that I
could revert to using a normal phone keypad to compose emails... Graffitti
is nice, and I loved it when I had to use it... but qwerty is just so much
faster.. and when you're doing lots of mobile email and text input, IMO it's
just the only way to go.

>> The BB has a scroll wheel... which makes reading/scrolling/searching
> through
>> long emails a breeze
>> The Treo has a 5 way pad, which is usable, but I tell you what... it
>> takes
>> alot longer to scroll with the pad than it does with the wheel.
>>
>> The BB's built in email application works awesomely, flawlessly, and just
>> rocks.
>> The Treo's built in email application (VersaMail) is a complete joke IMO.
> I
>> went with Chatter Email for email on my Treo.
>
> I have Versamail onmy TC and thought it was OK but I like Snappermail
> better.
>

VersaMail sucks... and no one could convince me otherwise :-D

SnapperMail was good when I used it.. but I liked the ChatterEmail interface
better.. also... Snapper, when checking email accounts liked to turn on the
screen on my Treo, which I thought (and knew) was totally unneccesary, since
I knew Chatter didn't turn on the screen... and since the screen really
drains the battery, moreso than the data usage... I opted to just not use
Snapper, since it was a hog (I had it checking my pop email more often than
every 2 hours, so my screen was just about always on... then I discovered
how to use IMAP for PUSH email, and decided to use chatter with IMAP, since
snapper turned on the screen even with IMAP checking)....

>> The BB out of the box, gives you the ability to notate a phone call..
>> this
>> is a very handy feature for keeping notes on what happened during a phone
>> call, what was talked about, etc etc
>> The Treo does not give you this ability without additional software.
>>
>> BB has a feature called BlackBerry messenger. Basically, it's free
>> IM/two
>> way messaging between any and all blackberry users (using their BB
>> pin)...
>> same or different service providers, doesn't matter, just need their BB
> pin
>> to use it.
>> The Treo or any other smart phone for that matter does not offer this
>> ability.
>
> I use email... I don't need BB Messenger. It;'s the same with SMS
> messages.
> My i500 has SMS capabilities but the software isn't built in, so what. I
> downloaded a free app and bnang, now I can sms but it's useless because it
> can only go to a phone. If you have a BB and want to send a message to
> another BB user what are you using messenger for? If their email is so
> fantastic just email them.
>
>

It's like instant messenger... except between BB users. Why send an email
(which takes longer) when you can go to a list, select a name and start
chatting back and forth? Their email is great, but IMing is better when
it's feasible to use it.

What is the free app you use on your i500 to do sms? I have been unable to
find one for mine that works. I downloaded one.. can't remember the name
off the top of my head, and it seemed to work, except that my other phone
would never receive the messages that I sent from the i500's sms
application.

Bluetooth... I wish the i500 had freegan bluetooth... if it did.. i'd
probably switch my primary number to my i500 :-D

"Scooterflex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've heard some things wrong with the Treo 650 such as it being unstable
> and
> a few other things but I haven't taken much note since I wouldn't buy it
> anyway. The Treo 600 on the other hand I heard is very stable and as I
> said,
> my friend likes his. I don't like the screen on the 600 though, I think
> it's
> not as bright as the i500. The i500 has its drawbacks too, the most of
> which
> is being small (small screen and writing area but this is a plus too) and
> having only 16MB of ram (that's all available to the user) and it's
> running
> version 4 of the Palm OS. Other than those I can't see anything wrong with
> it. Since I use it as a phone with a Palm built into it I use only apps I
> need and my TC as the main mobile device. It works for me, the BB 7510 did
> not and I'm sorry I bought it.
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Scooterflex" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > use the i500 for
>> >stuff I just can't do without.
>>
>> I see
>>
>> Not a bad idea.
>>
>> Maybe I should look into the i500 over the Treo 650?
>>
>> John
>
>